The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[The Baltimore Sun]

Day 2, Votecount 11

ChannelDeliBird (3) - Plessiezarus, Zdenek, The Mini-Librarian

kuribo (2) - Cerulean, JasonT1981
JastonT1981 (1) - ChannelDelibird
sottyrulez (1) - Nostredeus
Nostredeus (1) - sottyrulez

Not voting (8) :

Benmage, Ser Arthur Dayne, ZONEACE, Deasvail, BT, Kise, camn, kuribo

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 22nd of February at 00:30am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadlien: (expired on 2013-02-21 20:30:28)
  
• No one is V/la

[Cerulean]

@Sotty I don't feel like searching the thread for other people's reasons right now seeing as I have like 15 pages to read without it but I think my own town read started at this post. IIRC there was a wagon on him and his response to it was reasonable+.

Yes, and in mafia stuck sanjay's reasonable response to his wagon was a town tell too, right?

[kuribo]

Isn't invoking someone else's meta as an argument ridiculous? It'd be kinda like saying "kuribo claimed bulletproof in Catch-22 Mafia, therefore all bulletproof are scum"

[The Mini-Librarian]

TML, you're both saying that SAD is town because scum knew there was a traitor and that Sotty could be scum because scum didn't know there was a traitor.

Thank you for concisely showing that I'm an idiot. Knock SAD back into OK with lynching territory.

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By the way I see some really bad PoE on TML's part ("uhh automatic scumreads are a go"). These are the instances where you want to reconsider some of those reads / question if you gave out townclears too easily and I don't see you doing that. (Not scummy, just a complaint.)

Am more than willing to consider any town read at any time if someone points out why they might be scum. (see above.) But this post isn't helpful.

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@sottyrulez:

Do you find TGAH's push on Nost day one to be distancing rather than pushing a mislynch?

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Why aren't people voting? This is day 2 people. You're supposed to have some reads.

[Cerulean]

Isn't invoking someone else's meta as an argument ridiculous? It'd be kinda like saying "kuribo claimed bulletproof in Catch-22 Mafia, therefore all bulletproof are scum"

There's an inherent difference between a role claim and a "rational" response to a wagon. Sounding vaguely reasonable is something really easy for competent scum to fake whereas your BP scenario seems more like a one-off.

About Nostredeus, I thought he was initially BS'ing a reason to hop on the Sotty wagon when in really he was just sheeping you in an opportunistic fashion but his later posts seem far more detailed than I would expect from a player with his experience level. I'd link the posts here but phone posting sucks.

Pless, the SAD read will have to come later after Tammy and I look through his recent scum game. First impression after skimming it and the Westeros game is that his scum game has improved pretty dramatically.

[sottyrulez]

@sottyrulez:

Do you find TGAH's push on Nost day one to be distancing rather than pushing a mislynch?

Forgot about that vote on their part. On isoing TGAH again I can see why I did. Once their vote left nost I think there was only ever one brief mention of nost after that. So yeah, that could easily be distancing.

[Benmage]

*insert Archon voice*

I have returned

Spoiler: Catchup P1

Benmageisawesome

Does this mean TGAH was, role-wise, a 'TRAITOR", as in he was unknown to the rest of the police? Or did they all know he was with them?

Very most likely: He knew who they were, they didn't know who he was, and he didn't have communication with them.

That how I was when I was a traitor.

So besides Absta being 100% fucking useless, Camn is prob very likely not scum? I mean, her frustration at him really seemed genuine.

I dunno. He fake raged for what? As someone else said, he tried to look busy on a wagon he knew wasn't popping off just to look like an active townie being productive. I have to check whether he outright said fuck you to camn. I don't remember a mod warning.

Oh hellz yeah... Camn is was conftown.

Damn shame this guy left..post 1030

also I expected either Benmage

I thought I might bite it. Its possible scum wanted to avoid watcher/doctor... I was surprised when Regfan lived as long as he did in ADWD... I'll look into Nk's, but I don't weigh them heavily too much wifom...Shadoweh actually had suspicions about abstas. Possibly abstas wanted to continue the 'war' with camn... but knock off a possible anti-voter, without being too obvious.
---- This doesn't even cover what I was looking at: post 1133
These two posts:
post 530
post 625
-Infact shadoweh only begrudgingly moves his vote to help the lynch. Easy to think he'd come back today with Abstas suspicions. (I like my theory best *flex*)

I felt only strongly that TGAH was scum yesterday

How is this slot alive?

So Dan doesn't want to know what my role is. What's up with that?

he was forgettable and I thought he'd talk more in the QT.

pedit:

You realize that if I neighborize another person they gain access to the QT?

That's actually rather townish... could ADan, have been genuine about this...

***Did I miss this, but does the neighborhood have daytalk?
-And if so, I'm curious what ADan wrote in it.

post 1071

No it's entirely personal.

I've been voted for and lynched before as town and as scum and I don't think I've been this angry. Maybe Because I've never encountered such egoists. maybe it's all the stupid fucking questions. I'm not sure. I just don't want to be here.

Voting is one thing... I didn't read such hostilities... Overreaction much?

I really really don't see a traitor doing something like 115, where he literally jumped on that wagon and increased to 5 (I think?) making it by far the largest wagon at the time and pressuring Nost. I esp don't think he'd do it because Nost is most likely somewhat of a newbie, so adding pressure without knowing how good/bad his master will react is rather risky. I can possibly see him do it to a master he knows can handle the heat, but not someone who he is not familar with who might possibly not handle the heat?

This is pretty good reasoning for townNost. I'm having trouble with the slot.

I really liked the analysis in this post. post 1103 Reads quite hard to fake. Only strengthening my townread on Plessie. Also, I'm eager to see how CDB continues during my read.

Also, the appeal to absta in #912 seems weird if directed at a partner, right?

Definitely town looking.

Dudes I DO NOT want to lynch:

Camn, Plessiezarus, Jason, Nostredeus, SafetyDance, Benmage, Librarian, Zdenek, DV (uneasy about this one though)

Why SafetyDance again?

Camn I was about to tell you to go fall in a hole but I see where Dan already told deas he had claimed out

Wendell Orlando Blocker, x-shot neighborizer, with my sole neighbor being dead right now.

Anything else, sit on it till I get home and read this crap you people have been derping

Omg classic, scum reading their predecessors iso. ScumQT, you name it. Why is he alive?

My townread on Librarian is largely meta based. Compare his town play here and here with his scum play here and I think the difference is pretty big. He's a lot more aggressive, cocky, and tunnely as scum and I'm not seeing that here at all.

(***Self reminder to look at this later... cocky scum )

After all the night flips etc I will not be wanting to lynch today, unless they do something terrible: camn, benmage, sotty, kise, cereluen, zdenek and AD. So that's PoE out the way.

Why not AD? How's night flips influence an AD read?

26 pages into being caught up, but I'll save my thoughts for when I finish after I get off work

Nothing impressive here: post 1148

Stepping out for some grub. Readups not going to bad, not that dense.

[Cerulean]

Isn't invoking someone else's meta as an argument ridiculous? It'd be kinda like saying "kuribo claimed bulletproof in Catch-22 Mafia, therefore all bulletproof are scum"

Nope! I'm pointing to a specific instance in a game we both were in when scum acted reasonable about their wagon and some of the town thought he had to be town because of it.

I'm not even invoking meta, I'm invoking the "claiming someone is town because they were reasonable when a few votes were on them is silly" argument.

Seeing as how bt was in that game, I was surprised to see him using that argument without any thought for the fact that some people do act reasonable as scum with a wagon.

I'm not even claiming nost is scum here, just that that reasoning for a town read is lame. I haven't really decided what I think of nost right now.

I'll answer your other question in a bit.

[ZONEACE]

Here I am. I am not yet ready to make any sort of game relevant post. i will do my best to catch up over the next few days, offering posts with my thoughts as I go (every 5-10 pages I get through I'll make a post with my thoughts) though I won't really have any time to start my read through until tomorrow. Until, just in case. UNVOTE:

[Benmage]

^damnit ... another replacement so my slot questions are useless..great

[Benmage]

vote kuribo

[Cerulean]

Nostredeus reminds me of brizingre1. I've been trying to figure out who he sounded like.

[Cerulean]

Oh and other head answered the nostr. Question that kuribo asked.

[kuribo]

Omg classic, scum reading their predecessors iso. ScumQT, you name it. Why is he alive?

IT'S THE FUCKING NEIGHBOR QT THAT YOU ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THE EXISTANCE OF IN THAT VERY POST



for fuck's sake ben

[kuribo]

***Did I miss this, but does the neighborhood have daytalk?

and yes, it has day talk as I already said, you illiterate fuck

[Benmage]

Yeah I just read that part. Wasn't there yet. Nice fake anger bro.

[BT]

Quick replies:

Cerulean on Nost: Yeah, I know, but I think the rest of his play is fine too. With Sanjay in Mafiastuck you had any other aspect of his play which reeked of scum and the whole reasonable shtick was a consensus thing that delayed his lynch for a while.

TML, the point is that you're meant to do it on your own accord anyway. I'm not going to do your work for you.

[kuribo]

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I don't do fake anger, I get pissed when players that I know are good decide to say and do stupid things. As you well know from playing with me in Weather Mafia II.

I expect people like SAD to act stupid, you're better than that.

[kuribo]

like, you seriously discussed the neighbor QT that Dan had

then you called him town


then you called me scum for mentioning the VERY FUCKING QT that you were just discussing


are you even reading?

[Benmage]

Omg classic, scum reading their predecessors iso. ScumQT, you name it. Why is he alive?

IT'S THE FUCKING NEIGHBOR QT THAT YOU ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THE EXISTANCE OF IN THAT VERY POST



for fuck's sake ben

I don't understand... You were going to tell Camn to shove it... Then you realize YOUR SLOT has already claimed, and simply re-claim....

That's my point. You read your slots iso to see he claimed, no?

[Cerulean]

I'm really not seeing how ActionDan wanting to keep the neighbour secret is scummy; he knew full well we could force him to tell us who was in the neighbourhood to verify his claim at any point. I'll happily wait to see what the replacement/you guys has/have to say but frankly I'm seeing AD as town here. Interested in Camn's case (associative tell with absta) but again I'll see what the replacement has to say about it.

It was scummy because he claimed under suspicion and there were some people who were doubting that both roles would be in this game, and that both roles would be town. He knew that he would have to claim as evidenced by his statement in [post=1068][/quote] therefore his "I don't feel the need to claim" was needless posturing. This is not dans first game, he knew we would ask, and since there is no guarantee that a neighbor is town, who he chose to neighborize and why is good information that can help in determining his alignment. He knows this, so his entire attitude makes no sense at all.

[kuribo]

Omg classic, scum reading their predecessors iso. ScumQT, you name it. Why is he alive?

IT'S THE FUCKING NEIGHBOR QT THAT YOU ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THE EXISTANCE OF IN THAT VERY POST



for fuck's sake ben

I don't understand... You were going to tell Camn to shove it... Then you realize YOUR SLOT has already claimed, and simply re-claim....

That's my point. You read your slots iso to see he claimed, no?

no, he told Deas in the neighborhood QT that he had claimed, you idiot

I read the neighbor QT before I read the thread since the QT was like 15 posts

[kuribo]

And I don't respond to "Oh, claim in your next post" because that's fucking retarded, and if I hadn't already read the QT, I absolutely would have told camn to stick it in her ass

[Benmage]

like, you seriously discussed the neighbor QT that Dan had

then you called him town


then you called me scum for mentioning the VERY FUCKING QT that you were just discussing


are you even reading?

Are you reading? I've found your slot scummy a long time ago in a far off galaxy that was petapan. I saw ADan's SINGLE post and saw that he made a rather townminded statement, as to not have DV claim because others would gain access to the QT. I'M not writing off your scumslot just because of that one statement which could easily be scum seeking town points. It gave me pause, and was something for me to note. Sure as HELL didn't change my read.

[kuribo]

finding petapan scummy is like shooting fish in a barrel and you should be ashamed of yourself for clinging to that