If the account is only in one game, and that game is ongoing, then talking about that hydra tantamounts to talking about an ongoing game.
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Do you feel like this deliberate obtuseness is scummy?
I don't know, but I talked to f about AJ and we may be voting soon for different reasons (better have f explain it, she's the one who did the meta work). I think she'll be making a post about it.
This is surprising to me. I really thought he was just going to prod dodge now that he knows he can get away with it.
In terms of alignment, I just don't see him doing this weird gambit and then replacing out when it looked as if he could get away with it, so he's probably town.
- b
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:47 am
by ²
In post 1233, ² wrote:Because I think scum-svenskt would be pretty happy over the way the reaction to his claim trailed off and the thread moved on.
- f
I swear you know how to steal thoughts.
- b
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:48 am
by ²
In post 1234, GuyInFreezer wrote:But in the same case, scum-svenskt wouldn't be happy for some of us calling him out for lurkin'.
He wasn't being called out for lurking, that's the whole point. He basically said: "fuck you all, I'm going to only post to prod dodge and I'm not going to read", and the reaction was: "Okay, sure, cya".
Could you explain GiF? I havn't been paying much attention, but I may ISO later. Either way, it would be nice to hear.
I agree with the others.
Also, you and Nacho nailed Mac that other game IIRC. It would be nice to know what the two of you think of him this game.
- b
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:53 am
by ²
In post 1240, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Sven did the same in borkgame and that's what convinced me of fery's townread on him
I had a reasoning post in that thread somewhere as to why his replace was townie
Although to be honest there is the minor difference of the ragequit vs what is probably an inactivity quit
I don't think this is a quit due to not having adequate time. He essentially posted that he was simply going to prod dodge and not read because he didn't care - not because he didn't have time.
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:55 am
by ²
In post 1251, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Okay so I'm about to go to sleep but 2 is really worrying me I'm reading them as town as Cabd and BRO and I feel like they should be higher if they were actually town
But anyways
Can more people talk about the Aj wagon I think we're like /this/ close to agreeing on something
f talked to me about it, but I think she should summarize her own opinion (that I approve of from what she told me).
In post 1036, GuyInFreezer wrote:In case I wasn't clear enough, I'm asking player-wise.
You know. Like "who did what so he's suspicious." Kind of stuff.
Ok. Let's go.
²: If it's ok, I'm going to read ² as one person and not two separate people. Same goes for Beast.
² is scum
to me because he reads TD as scum with little to no base and seems to be ignoring TD's more towny posts.
Aj The Epic:
Null-Scum
. I perceive AtE in #945 but that's pretty much it.
Andrius: Null, lack of posts.
BeautyAndTheBeast: Town. Reading well and catching things and no scumreads as of yet.
BROseidon: No reads as of yet.
Cabd:
Null-Scum
, mainly for not specifying reads in #931.
dntfkingcare: Null, lack of posts.
Ghostlin: After an ISO after Varsoon's read,
scummy
.
GuyInFreezer: Town. No scumreads. I like you asking questions.
jon_h61: no posts.
Mac: Town for the most part, but look at his #811, #821, and #831. Detailed analysis AJ is scummy, waits for nacho to vote, then says he's "considering" voting as well?!?!?
Metal Sonic: Null (no posts)
orcinus_theoriginal: Town. No scumreads, and acts and reads town.
RachMarie: Agree with Mac's #1010. Seems to be ignoring large portions of the game.
Sajin: Null.
Svenskt Stål: Active lurking, seemingly. Active early on but quieter now.
Lingering scumreads
from the claim and such.
Nachomamma8: Null. Towny early in game, but I feel a little less so about that.
TiphaineDeath: Town, scummy early in game, but did a 180
TMTOLBTWNTOF: No comment
Varsoon: Null, I'm finding it hard to read him.
P EDIT
Gif- I did not "disappear," I was reading all 42 pages and typing this read post the whole goddamn time.
Bro, Andy, Sajin, GIF, Cabd, B&B, Nacho, Rach (In order of strength
Scum here:
TMT, Ghost, Mac (motive bad, reasoning good... light scum read), Metal sonic, dntfkingcare, possibly
2
.
Your reads on bolded players have either magically disappeared or magically moved.
Maybe you can explain those.
Yeah ok I can see why GiF=town.
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:02 am
by Aj The Epic
Varsoon is just an odd person to read. For a while, it looked like he was being legitimately scummy (especially when he made that long case against orc and immediately unvoted), but then it was let on that he has a slight troll streak going. Reading his posts as an intent to troll makes more sense anyways.
I WANT to call orc scum, but he's just a general AtE player. I dislike his constant use of emotion, but that's more standard. His MS voting at the beginning was awful and his attacking Varsoon was backed off too early when he should've pressed forward. But otherwise, there's been nothing to give me more than casual passing glances of suspicion.
2 is much more interesting. I've liked Buldermar's posting, but fferyllt seems scummy. Fferyllt asks a lot of questions and seems more or less passive and under the radar while Buldermar goes out and tries to push points. Just by their style, Buldermar makes statements to prove points, FF asks questions as a way of hunting, but doesn't push it beyond. Buldermar attacks, no matter how he makes others feel. Surprisingly, when FF comes on and sees tmt's reads, she doesn't mention anything to it in her quote other than it's 'good to see him posting'. The "That's all but a confirmed slot" from FF, even off of meta is bad. Something is rotten in the state of Xenoblade, and I think FF may not be hiding it all that well.
p-edit: Stop it, stop it, stop it... I want to post!
Why do you want to lynch Squared hydra? Especially as Orc pointed out your vote is not on them?
cos fery made a huge scumslip
rach. you know how my votes go, I remove them when I ready and not a moment before
I am waiting for nacho to back online
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:16 am
by ²
I'm looking forward to seeing the "scumslip".
- f
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:23 am
by ²
In post 1291, Aj The Epic wrote:Fferyllt asks a lot of questions and seems more or less passive and under the radar while Buldermar goes out and tries to push points.
I would really love to see an example of this, because I don't feel like I've contributed much to this game yet.
If the account is only in one game, and that game is ongoing, then talking about that hydra tantamounts to talking about an ongoing game.
f.- b
Do you feel like this deliberate obtuseness is scummy?
I don't know, but I talked to f about AJ and we may be voting soon for different reasons (better have f explain it, she's the one who did the meta work). I think she'll be making a post about it.
In post 579, Nachomamma8 wrote:this game doesn't count, but it will be good for a scum buldey baseline
What can I do to help you stop being an idiot?
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In post 928, ² wrote:@Sajin you put down an early vote on varsoon based on his fencesitting(?) re the svenskt role claim stuff. What are your current thoughts?
In post 938, Cabd wrote:Last one, slight scum-lean.
Top three, that was because you guys brought up an outside game and talked shit about it, i'd be pissed too.
This does look like a town response to that question, given the situation.
In post 1130, GuyInFreezer wrote:I don't know about active lurkin' but last time I met his as scum he lurked after talking a bit in early game.
My point is he's explicitly doing so - he isn't pretending to be active or anything like that.
- b
Here are some of the statements that show your reads and some aggressiveness that FF lacks. (I did include a question of hers to show the type of posts I see she has a lot)
Now, here's a question: Going through your iso (third time now), I noticed that you've had plans to vote TD and (more currently), myself. As far as I know, you haven't gotten around to discussing this, or is there some reason you've held off on either of these votes?
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:01 am
by BROseidon
Cool, only like 4 pages to catch up on.
Sven replace doesn't affect my read on the slot. I had the slot as town before, and if people are bringing meta arguments with the replace to confirm this, then cool.
Does anyone here have meta on Jon? Does he tend to get notably more invested in games if he is town or scum?
I would like to hear ffery's case on AJ, especially given that in 1262 she didn't seem to have anything developed yet. Going to withhold commenting on either of these players until I hear the case.
@Ghost: Do you really find letters scummier than other players that you have scumreads on? Scummier than the other players who are currently under pressure? What is your current read on Varsoon?
GiF's explanation as to why Varsoon is probably town alleviates my worries about him. GiF is probably right and I need to develop better gut reactions to players who have that type of playstyle. Time to switch wagons.
In post 1289, ² wrote:Yeah post 1050 looked bad to me too, but I think mostly for different reasons.
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What reasons?
Going to UNVOTE: Varsoon for now, and I want to see responses to my questions as well as ffery's AJ case before placing my vote again.
In post 579, Nachomamma8 wrote:this game doesn't count, but it will be good for a scum buldey baseline
What can I do to help you stop being an idiot?
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In post 928, ² wrote:@Sajin you put down an early vote on varsoon based on his fencesitting(?) re the svenskt role claim stuff. What are your current thoughts?
In post 938, Cabd wrote:Last one, slight scum-lean.
Top three, that was because you guys brought up an outside game and talked shit about it, i'd be pissed too.
This does look like a town response to that question, given the situation.
In post 1130, GuyInFreezer wrote:I don't know about active lurkin' but last time I met his as scum he lurked after talking a bit in early game.
My point is he's explicitly doing so - he isn't pretending to be active or anything like that.
- b
Here are some of the statements that show your reads and some aggressiveness that FF lacks. (I did include a question of hers to show the type of posts I see she has a lot)
Now, here's a question: Going through your iso (third time now), I noticed that you've had plans to vote TD and (more currently), myself. As far as I know, you haven't gotten around to discussing this, or is there some reason you've held off on either of these votes?
Alright, I think I can understand your perspective. If you meta her, and meta me, you'll see that this is due to differences in playstyle, though. I also think that, because I'm generally more aggressive and insulting than her, I get to be that part of the hydra whereas she gets to be the part of the hydra asking questions. Of the two of us, she has done much more meta analysis than I have (in fact, I havn't actively done any yet in this game).
I did indeed want to vote TD, and I personally still think TD is scummy, but f disagrees with me on this and so does orc and Nacho whom I find very likely to be town.
I havn't ISO'ed you yet or looked into the points f and others have made against you, but her and I talked on gchat about you and she told me some stuff that I'' refrain from talking about in details in case she doesn't want me to. We're holding off a vote on you because f wants Nacho to show up.
I havn't figured it out yet and wanted to just keep the post in mind, which is why I didn't mention it the first time around. I think what I dislike is that I can't see anything to disconfirm the hypothesis that he didn't just make up most of the reads.