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That vote distribution is so cringe worthy.

In post 1270, tsunami wrote:Amrun - what is your read on ankamius?

Town

In post 1272, tsunami wrote:

In post 1158, macmollie wrote:okay, laying out some thoughts and questions here.

@ tierce

I don't like your dismissal of nacho saying you were scum stalling by calling it trolling. nacho is a massive troll but he does not troll the game by calling people scum if he doesn't think they are cos it muddies the waters.

This is false. Remind me at a future point to explain why. There's also something in game that I will point to when I have more time and can explain this that throws some doubt on this.

I believe that Tammy's reason to claim that this is false is the same as mine. Open 501 just ended, and Nacho, Town who had a Townread on me at the time, was trolling me and calling me scum.

In post 1271, inHimshallibe wrote:I'm flashy and vain.

is this about right

Yes but with considerably more Nixon.

where is the flash and vain in that

Your present is incoming mollie.

The Living:
1. Tierce
2. Venmar
5. ChannelDelibird
6. Ankamius
7. Generic
8. xReckonerx
10. Amrun
11. macmollie (Mac & pirate mollie)
12. Desperado
13. Cabd
14. tsunami (Tammy & Snax)
15. Nexus
16. Dekes
17. inHimshallibe

I’m operating under the assumption of 4-5 scum. 4 makes the most sense with 4/13 hovering near the magical 25% number.

Tierce worries me only a tiny bit, because I usually take forever to get townread, but that can partially be attributed to the fact that I am a replacement not coming into the game from the first page. Probtown.

Venmar is…. Not really jumping out to me. I don’t like the last line of 85, but that’s because Reck isn’t town. His early analysis of generic wagon looks pretty real, though. The only thing that would really ping is the multiball thing. The independent push on nexus felt legit too. Light lean town, but very light.

CDB- Light leans town, but I’ve never played with him before, so I owe myself a metadive here.

Ankamius- His place on my wagon was interesting. I feel like one of {ank, reck} is scum for sure and I feel it’s reck, so despite me not liking it, he’s gonna end up being town

Generic- Believe it or not, one of my strongest town reads now for his engagement of me during the start of this day phase.

Reckoner- Scum. Not buying the veil of ”too dis-interested to be scum” for a second.

Amrun- I owe amrun a re-read and note-comparisons to raptured now that it’s over and she flipped scum. Metadive homework #2. That said the arguments and slapfights have felt weird.

Macmollie: Probably town for reaching back when I reached out for stuffsies. In any case, I’m comfy enough with them that I’ll play along with the triangle game.

Desperado- I don’t like the interactions with mollie at all, and the fight does not feel like TvT or SvS so it’s likely TvS; and my townread on mollie is stronger. Leaning scum here.

Tsunami- Yeah every post by them screams town so there’s that.

Nexus- Like CDB, seems townish but I really owe this metadiving. Homework 3 I guess.

Dekes- Scum, hasn’t even bothered to show his face after the guy pushing his wagon dies.

inHimshallibe- I don’t even know how to read this guy he’s so fucking EVERYWHERE. Homework #4, or just needs to be sorted, I dunno.

In post 1191, macmollie wrote:

In post 1181, Desperado wrote:

In post 1179, macmollie wrote:

In post 1171, Desperado wrote:Mollie are you scum this game? You asked me if we could compare notes and I gave them to you, but you never followed up on it and now you're ignoring me again.

that you are even asking me this is why you are in the unsure/need to sort pile. and I believe I did respond I am still waiting for you to start town telling like you promised you would.

No, you didn't. I checked.

And I have to ask that because your townreads are disappointing and I can't towntell if you aren't interested in talking to me.

Now either quote your response to #892 or get to it.

erm, that was on d1, a lynch happened and so did nks when you come to me with something new then I will respond. I am not going to go back and answer questions when there is new info on the table for us to digest. do you know who does not take in new info but harps on unanswered questions while not doing anything to progress their reads? scum that is who.

if you were town and had such a hard to interact with me I would think that

you would be asking me questions in this day round

but you are not. <---- scum motivated post = scum role pm.

VOTE: desperado

This is a bad post and you should feel bad.

In post 1277, Amrun wrote:

In post 1270, tsunami wrote:Amrun - what is your read on ankamius?

Town

why?

In post 1252, Desperado wrote:

In post 1250, Generic wrote:

In post 1238, Desperado wrote:

In post 1234, Nexus wrote:

In post 1232, Desperado wrote:Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1,

Do you consider all fake day kills the objectively most BAD THING OF DAY 1?

Because if you do you're probably dumb.

It caused discussion and generated activity. So yeah.

The only thing it accomplished was getting him lynched. Can you point to some good discussion and activity that it generated?

PEdit: Generic, are you saying that I can't have multiple reads? I don't understand what you're criticizing exactly. I haven't even come close to abandoning it, what gave you that idea

And what is "convenient" about it? I started poking her with suspicious intent (that's what scumhunting is) and because she immediately voted me I no longer get to vote her without it being labeled OMGUS? What do you consider her vote?

You flit though from so tunnelled over it I must make comment on it cos you demanded it so, to considering macmollie the utter threat.

Which is the stronger case you have desperado?

I'm sorry, are we at the deadline or something? It honestly sounds like you're "accusing" me of scumhunting.

Neither case is even close to complete.

@ Mollie: because I was reading you as town and I feel confident about my ability to catch mac if you guys rolled scum anyway.

COME @ ME BRO.

but seriously desp I can't fathom out why you are voting us. like I can see mollie's point a bit on why she thinks you may be scum but your reason is like "U CANT META ME" and that's it. let me read a bit deeper but I want you to talk to me desp. not to mollie about this, but to me. she'll probably keep grilling you but if you talk to me I feel like there's a high chance we can establish our alignments together. if you think you can see scum-me then come and drink tea with me and realise that whatever you feel about mollie will all wash away with me. kinda like i'm a masseuse and she's the bitchy receptionist you hate.

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

mollie might not be willing to sit this one out and chat Desp but I am. you think you can find me as scum easily? see me for my true alignment then.

in other news... I still need to talk to mollie about this. there's some total WIFOM about nacho's death I can't convince myself to shake off but I'm sure mollie will slap me around the head abit once I tell her what I'm thinking.

I have a weak scum read on Ank but I can't remember why. I'm curious as to why Amrun seems him as straight out town, because I literally can't remember a single thing he's posted.

I'd probably be able to do something if the thread didn't go into overdrive right after I posted I was behind.

In the interest of making something happen:

UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: Dekes

That's a good point, where is dekes? Has he posted to comment on the suspicion?

In post 1286, macmollie wrote: COME @ ME BRO.

but seriously desp I can't fathom out why you are voting us. like I can see mollie's point a bit on why she thinks you may be scum but your reason is like "U CANT META ME" and that's it. let me read a bit deeper but I want you to talk to me desp. not to mollie about this, but to me. she'll probably keep grilling you but if you talk to me I feel like there's a high chance we can establish our alignments together. if you think you can see scum-me then come and drink tea with me and realise that whatever you feel about mollie will all wash away with me. kinda like i'm a masseuse and she's the bitchy receptionist you hate.

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

It's a powerful read and she appears to feel pretty strongly about it but my town meta is practically nonexistent and she has my scum meta completely wrong--that means she was lying when she said "This isn't town desp" because she has no idea what town desp looks like. I don't see any town motivation for making up a meta read, can you help me?

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

1) I was actually in WWE with you. Mollie and I have no completed games together.
2) Like I explained, while I have "4" completed town games, one was abandoned D2, another only lasted 6 pages (ask Tierce if you want to hear that story, she can probably tell it better), and I died N1 in the third. So when the only completed town game I have is WWE, and she is totally wrong about me being terrible at playing scum, I am forced to assume that she didn't actually research my meta, which means she's basing her meta read on ongoing games that do not include a flip from me, which means she made it up.

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

But she can't meta me, and she is lying. I'd actually say I was getting...offensive. Because she lied.

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that

you aren't trying to prove to mollie this is town desperado, you are trying to prove she can't read town Desperado.

through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

If I don't disabuse her of her incorrect presumptions first how can I ever hope to actually towntell to her? She's already decided that she isn't seeing town desperado based on illegitimate reasons, so I'm taking care of that first.

mollie might not be willing to sit this one out and chat Desp but I am. you think you can find me as scum easily? see me for my true alignment then.

At the very least this post looks absolutely, positively nothing like you from WWE. So that's a start.

In post 1285, macmollie wrote:

In post 1277, Amrun wrote:

In post 1270, tsunami wrote:Amrun - what is your read on ankamius?

Town

why?

Meta + gut + shenanigans

I know him fairly well.

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

It's a powerful read and she appears to feel pretty strongly about it but my town meta is practically nonexistent and she has my scum meta completely wrong--that means she was lying when she said "This isn't town desp" because she has no idea what town desp looks like. I don't see any town motivation for making up a meta read, can you help me?

you don't seem to be grasping that as soon as you have completed a town game, you have town meta. mollie evidently feels she has some reason to believe that you aren't playing like you have in these games. i'm going to ask her about this and try and clear the air a bit cos I feel like it's muddied down in "he said, she said" kinda territory. I can't imagine that she's just made this up out of thin air: she has no reason too.

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

1) I was actually in WWE with you. Mollie and I have no completed games together.
2) Like I explained, while I have "4" completed town games, one was abandoned D2, another only lasted 6 pages (ask Tierce if you want to hear that story, she can probably tell it better), and I died N1 in the third. So when the only completed town game I have is WWE, and she is totally wrong about me being terrible at playing scum, I am forced to assume that she didn't actually research my meta, which means she's basing her meta read on ongoing games that do not include a flip from me, which means she made it up.

1) is true about about me and you being in WWE. the second sentence is pretty irrelevant
2) again, it does not matter whether the game last 6, 60 or 600 pages. basing this entirely off assumption, you died n1 means you must have been doing something right and been pretty town. also you trainwrecked us in wwe. you are good as town, and really useful.

perhaps mollie is trying to put across the idea that you are not being so useful in this game (which is kinda the feeling I'm getting). perhaps she's not. perhaps you have a towntell. I will talk to her in time.

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

But she can't meta me, and she is lying. I'd actually say I was getting...offensive. Because she lied.

she can. I can. everyone in this game can meta you.

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that

you aren't trying to prove to mollie this is town desperado, you are trying to prove she can't read town Desperado.

through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

If I don't disabuse her of her incorrect presumptions first how can I ever hope to actually towntell to her? She's already decided that she isn't seeing town desperado based on illegitimate reasons, so I'm taking care of that first.

again I must point to the fact you can be meta'd. I don't know why you seem adamant you cant. the only way you couldn't is if you had never been town but the fact remains you have and I really don't like the way you are staunchly refusing the fact that mollie is using a meta read on you.

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

mollie might not be willing to sit this one out and chat Desp but I am. you think you can find me as scum easily? see me for my true alignment then.

At the very least this post looks absolutely, positively nothing like you from WWE. So that's a start.

indeed.

Dammit mollie I poured my heart out to you and this is how I get repaid?

By it getting buried under desperado's bitchslap fight with you?

when mollie gets here im sure she'll be screaming to deal with you cabd!

Oh damn that's you mac? I can never tell. You two post in lazy-style together.

it's great isn't it?

also I referred to mollie a lot in that previous post, and I don't think she talks about herself much in third person

In post 1293, macmollie wrote:

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

It's a powerful read and she appears to feel pretty strongly about it but my town meta is practically nonexistent and she has my scum meta completely wrong--that means she was lying when she said "This isn't town desp" because she has no idea what town desp looks like. I don't see any town motivation for making up a meta read, can you help me?

you don't seem to be grasping that as soon as you have completed a town game, you have town meta. mollie evidently feels she has some reason to believe that you aren't playing like you have in these games. i'm going to ask her about this and try and clear the air a bit cos I feel like it's muddied down in "he said, she said" kinda territory. I can't imagine that she's just made this up out of thin air: she has no reason too.

And you don't seem to be grasping that she also thinks I'm terrible at playing scum when I'm not. If she thinks I'm scum because she researched my my completed games and I'm not playing to my town meta, surely she would have also checked my scum meta, right?

And if she's basing it on WWE why hasn't she mentioned that yet? Why, when I asked her which games she used to conclude that this is not Town Desp, was this her response?

In post 1224, macmollie wrote:

In post 1220, Desperado wrote:

In post 1217, macmollie wrote:

In post 1209, inHimshallibe wrote:I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

In post 1221, Desperado wrote:Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

scum flail spotted itt

your post don't come from a town POV

town posts >>>> town motivation >>>> town motivated posts

explain the town motivation in your posts.

*anticipates aTe*

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

1) I was actually in WWE with you. Mollie and I have no completed games together.
2) Like I explained, while I have "4" completed town games, one was abandoned D2, another only lasted 6 pages (ask Tierce if you want to hear that story, she can probably tell it better), and I died N1 in the third. So when the only completed town game I have is WWE, and she is totally wrong about me being terrible at playing scum, I am forced to assume that she didn't actually research my meta, which means she's basing her meta read on ongoing games that do not include a flip from me, which means she made it up.

1) is true about about me and you being in WWE. the second sentence is pretty irrelevant
2) again, it does not matter whether the game last 6, 60 or 600 pages. basing this entirely off assumption, you died n1 means you must have been doing something right and been pretty town. also you trainwrecked us in wwe. you are good as town, and really useful.

perhaps mollie is trying to put across the idea that you are not being so useful in this game (which is kinda the feeling I'm getting). perhaps she's not. perhaps you have a towntell. I will talk to her in time.

I was good in WWE and I got killed in House of Cards because my ability was known (closed setup) and very dangerous to the scum.

I was definitely NOT good in Curse of Peladon or Pokemon.

And again, why is it that you have to answer this? Why did she completely avoid talking about which games she used, and in fact imply that she wasn't giving a meta read at all? Here:

In post 1237, macmollie wrote:

In post 1232, Desperado wrote:So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

well if you flip scum I will have a baseline won't I

and I like to think that I am not retarded at this game and can sometimes spot scum w/o any meta at all.

want proof? sometimes it is early, sometimes it is late and sometimes never at all

you look scummy desp

In post 1243, macmollie wrote:

In post 1235, Desperado wrote:

In post 1197, macmollie wrote:lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

In post 1208, macmollie wrote:desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

In post 1217, macmollie wrote:

In post 1209, inHimshallibe wrote:I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

These three posts very clearly are saying "I know Desperado's meta, and this is not town Desperado."

Your opinion on my meta (that this isn't town-me and that I am terrible at playing scum) are impossible to support and spectacularly wrong, respectively.

So why are you lying about your meta on me mollie?

those 3 posts are saying I think I have sense of your personality.

and that isn't why I am scumreading you. it has to do with your posts not striking me as town.

^That's why me and mollie not having any completed games is relevant. She backtracks and says she "has a sense of my personality" that can only come from ongoing games (so it's not relevant and never was, rendering her "This is not town desp" comment empty).

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

But she can't meta me, and she is lying. I'd actually say I was getting...offensive. Because she lied.

she can. I can. everyone in this game can meta you.

I'll rephrase. Mollie didn't meta me but pretended that she did, and then backtracked later when I called her out on being completely wrong.

In post 1291, Desperado wrote:

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that

you aren't trying to prove to mollie this is town desperado, you are trying to prove she can't read town Desperado.

through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

If I don't disabuse her of her incorrect presumptions first how can I ever hope to actually towntell to her? She's already decided that she isn't seeing town desperado based on illegitimate reasons, so I'm taking care of that first.

again I must point to the fact you can be meta'd. I don't know why you seem adamant you cant. the only way you couldn't is if you had never been town but the fact remains you have and I really don't like the way you are staunchly refusing the fact that mollie is using a meta read on you.