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I actually think that Rufflig could be town.

In post 1268, Nachomamma8 wrote:VOTE: Rufflig

Partners are SakuraGiF and pitoli.

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On a re-read of the impending doom of SSK... I think my phrase of scum-driven was made out of spite. A more correct term would be scum-supported. There actually wasn't any one person actually pushing SSK's lynch, more like a bunch of people saying that they would be up for a SSK lynch and then votes just started following as the day-end loomed.

What bothers me the most is the amount of people saying they would be up for a Rufflig lynch, but that wagon stayed stagnant when it came down to actually making a choice.

MafiaSSK (7): , TheFuzzylogic99, Mac, , , , (LYNCH)

And Comparing this wagon to my flash-wagon...

ProHawk (6): , Tammy, , , , (L-1)

There is an uncanny similarity of people being just dandy with a mis-lynch with the three most suspicious IMO being Nacho, Rufflig, and Minami-no-Hana. Any three of which I believe should be lynched today.

Nacho

Looking at Nacho's progression of his read of both Rufflig and SSK ...

722 - Vote Rufflig
983 - Explains A Change in momentum off Rufflig, with a reiteration that he doesn't think Rufflig is town but is afraid of a Rufflig town-flip.
989 - Believes SSK to be town based of reads list and not having scum-buddies to correct him.
995 - Prefers not to kill SSK. Is suspicious of Rufflig, but doesn't think he is the right flip for D1.
1063, 1065, 1067 - Asks SSK questions re: inactivity/lack of content, etc.
1128 - Could lynch SSK or Rufflig, but neither gets his blood pumping.

All Culminating to...

In post 1164, Nachomamma8 wrote:

Vote: MafiaSSK

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So really the question boils down to: Why did Nacho choose SSK over Rufflig?

He was essentially the turning point. Both SSK and Rufflig were at 3 votes each, so his vote would have put either of them at 4.

Also, consider the following quote which further concern me:

In post 992, Nachomamma8 wrote:

I don't like how Prohawk ended up on the easy lynch.

I don't like how he fell off when I stopped pushing him, and I still don't really think he's town.

It is ironic how he ended up on an even easier lynch. A lynch of someone who had been lurking/providing little content is a much easier lynch in my opinion than someone who just doesn't have the meta-experience with the player-base.

Rufflig

Trajectory on SSK

209 - Up for an off the ProHawk wagon hunt on SSK
216 - Correlates SSK scum with reasoning behind the ProHawk wagon?
664 - SSK's initial foray looks encouraging (town?) and Rufflig wants to see more.
1131 - Questions SSK on his post.
1141 - Apparently doesn't like SSK's "gut" explanations.

In post 1172, The Rufflig wrote:

In post 1117, pitoli wrote:Going to bed and resetting tomorrow ><

You've overslept. I am not finding you as transparent this game and that is beginning to concern me. How do you feel about mykonian or MafiaSSK?

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Minami: I'm not sure how to read her. Sakura has said that she prefers to take the back seat in a hydra and bounce ideas off her partner. She has also said that her current partner doesn't like to talk. The one thing that I can read is that Sakura doesn't appear that engaged with this game. I base this partly on the number of gut reads she listed and partly the lack of communication between the two heads. What I can't figure out is if the disengagement is because she is relying so heavily on GiF or not. I've been unable to come to a satisfactory conclusion on this slot. I was hoping Gif would have shown back up by now and there would have been some time to try and get a better read on this slot. I do not think that I will be able to come to one with the time remaining and GiF still absent.

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VOTE: MafiaSSK

Vote placement was convenient. Note despite having talked about SSK-scum his vote didn't come until SSK-LYNCH was a thing. I could see town-Rufflig just wanting to avoid a lynch, however his D1 posts push me over to the scum-side of self preservation. His scum-hunting was limited and yielded limited results.

MinamiNoHana

Trajectory

123 - Slight Town-Lean on SSK
234 - Vote on Rufflig
236 - Likes Rufflig's Posts
238 - Calls Rufflig's Post Bad.
240 - Rufflig is at the top of Scum-O-Meter with SSK in the middleish.
259 - SSK moves up the Scum-O-Meter in front of Pitoli and MAC but Rufflig still sits at the top.
529 - Rufflig is leaning scum. SSK is not found on the reads list.
538 - Rufflig is jumping out at them.
834 - "Why isn't Rufflig dead yet"
1018 - "Can we go on with lynching scum Rufflig and be done with it?"
1070 - SSK is "idk how to read him at all".
1104 - Rufflig, ProHawk, FuzzyLogic lynch candidates.
1183 - "I would sheep Nacho on SSK" - Apparently is now scum-reading SSK
1198 - Doesn't want to vote SSK without GiF's Approval.

In post 1203, Minami no Hana wrote:

In post 1200, Minami no Hana wrote:Wow I made the account and I forgot the password -.-

You could have let me know in the QT =/

Anyway.

Unvote
Vote: SSK

GiF agrees with this.

And BAM. Trajectory comes out of thin freaking air. With all of the scum-reading Rufflig the whole day. Rufflig was and could have been a thing. At the time of the vote swap, Rufflig was at L-3, and SSK was at L-2.

The one caveat here is I don't really see all three scum working in tandem one right after the other, although not impossible.

In post 1275, Minami no Hana wrote:I actually think that Rufflig could be town.

Lemme guess.... Gut?

I'll get to this later. Baking snickerdoodles.

In the meantime Orc I'd love to hear what has you displeased with Myko/night stuff, and your thoughts on ProHawk('s case) whenever you have the chance.

In post 1278, ProHawk wrote:

In post 1275, Minami no Hana wrote:I actually think that Rufflig could be town.

Lemme guess.... Gut?

Big as a pig at that.

In post 1273, ProHawk wrote:

In post 1270, Mac wrote: Cannot stress enough how much scum pitoli is. She has just came in here discrediting the wagon whilst she did

NOTHING

to stop it or even attempt to stop it. SCUM.

Not only that, but she actually offhandedly encouraged it.

In post 1105, pitoli wrote: p-edit: lynchbait isn't always town!

In post 1264, pitoli wrote:Lynchbait: MafiaSSK, Fuzzy? I thought Minami was possibly at the beginning of the Day

I realize the lynchbait /= town comment was re: Fuzzy, but if she honestly thought that then I don't see why she felt that MafiaSSK was such a bad lynch if he was indeed lynchbait.

MafiaSSK was a bad lynch because of how many votes were thrown on a day before deadline with "meh, good compromise" as essentially the only explanation. And that should have been obvious to anyone. I don't know why you need me to point it out.

In post 1265, pitoli wrote:

In post 1258, The Rufflig wrote:

In post 1254, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Either way I would say Pro-Hawk is town

I tend to agree. The number of town is starting to make me uneasy, though.

I feel like you're parroting what a number of players have already said.
Who's town?

Kaze, Orci, Nacho, Mac are fairly strong town reads.
Myko and Prohawk are probably town.

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I say probably for Prohawk for a reason. My concern would be whether or not names are always tied into alignment. I suspect they are (or at least mostly) or this whole public role name thing becomes pointless. Nevertheless, a name cop of sort that can investigate others and reveal the results while staying hidden gives me a twinge of doubt that all the names are tied into alignment.

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If we think Kaze is town then Orci is town. If we accept that names mean something then Prohawk is town. Given that, the player causing names to become public? Yes, probably town and can reveal himself at any time. That is 4 town on day 2 before factoring in reads.

@ Ruff

What , No scum reads??

Who do think needs to be lynched??

In post 1270, Mac wrote:

In post 1233, pitoli wrote:That lynch was bad and you should all feel bad.

VOTE: PITOLI

Cannot stress enough how much scum pitoli is. She has just came in here discrediting the wagon whilst she did

NOTHING

to stop it or even attempt to stop it. SCUM.

I do this /all the time/.

Mostly when I lack the balls to oppose a wagon but was screaming at it in my head.

I still like her.

In post 1240, mykonian wrote:
why didn't orci-kaze get broken up?

In post 1244, mykonian wrote:are we going to get into night wifom.

Might be me misinterpreting, but this looked really awkward.

fery hasn't posted yet which shocks me.

Erm.

Probably because of that death thing.

nobody look at me

If my role PM didn't say you were town I'd be all over you for what looked like a fake-as-hell townslip, no joke.

In post 1240, mykonian wrote:I think the nightkill makes nacho townier than he was. Removing doubt or something like that.

How so? FFery would have been an optimal kill for Nacho, so I don't get how it makes him townier?

Prohawk - Is the name you have to be voted by the name you had all along or is it a title you were given?

OH NACHO - why were you all, I'm nervous to vote rufflig cuz he might be town, and then end up on the easiest lynch possible yesterday with no reservations whatsoever?

In post 1274, mykonian wrote:The problem I have somewhat here is that every single scumread of mine sat on the mafiassk wagon, and everybody I thought town was off it.

Really? Are you sure about that? Are you super duper sure? Or did you just forget that you wanted to lynch me yesterday, which would suggest you were scumreading me, and yet there I sat, off the wagon.

Seriously Rufflig - No paranoia on Nacho at all, not even a little bit?

In post 990, Nachomamma8 wrote:Tammy, I think you have a good point on ruffling treatment of me. I am afraid I am misreading him based on this because I misread him in every game we played together IIRC. I don't know why he's trusting me easily, but I don't want to fuck up that trust if we are both town for once.

Oh I forgot, this post weirded me out. I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe I'll figure it out.

In post 1291, Tammy wrote:Prohawk - Is the name you have to be voted by the name you had all along or is it a title you were given?

Its not my name. And thank you Tammy for pointing out the Nacho thing. I was actually waiting for Mykonian to get in here to explain himself, but I think he just caught himself into a trap he knew he couldn't get out of.

Tammy

Top three scum read Please.

In post 1296, ProHawk wrote:

In post 1291, Tammy wrote:Prohawk - Is the name you have to be voted by the name you had all along or is it a title you were given?

Its not my name. And thank you Tammy for pointing out the Nacho thing. I was actually waiting for Mykonian to get in here to explain himself, but I think he just caught himself into a trap he knew he couldn't get out of.

It's his relationship with Mafia's character.

In post 1275, Minami no Hana wrote:I actually think that Rufflig could be town.

Would it be too much trouble to explain why?