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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:36 am

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farside22 wrote:I am going to make a longish post tonight that probably will sound crazy crackpot theory.


just so i can avoid reading a long post if possible - does it involve me being scum in any way?


Yes .


Ok, cool then this will be easy. It's wrong. And now I have even less faith in the vezok wagon because you agree with it.

VOTE: TSO


Oh and since you decided to make this shit comment I'll point out you drive that esp wagon so anyone thinking your views hold value should make you think scum is buddying you (which I wonder why you don't think that) or you are scum driving cases on town and not caring who follows.

Should I point to the game we were in together and your much better POV and cases? Or do you make shot cases as town that I'm unaware that you use day after day unchanged?
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:38 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:and you still haven't made a case for vezok

Anatole Kuragin wrote:dude, none of you have even tried making a case on vezok - constantly saying "this lynch sucks vote vezok" does not illuminate anything for anyone who doesn't already agree with you

Anatole Kuragin wrote:What case on vezok has been made that is not "small and miniscule" - one of you PLEASE make a post detailing the case on him because I asked farside to do the same thing and it was total shit.

I've played with vezok and his behavior here does not seem incongruous with his town play. I have played with TSO and his behavior here is incongruous with his town play that I have seen.

Frankly I hold TSO town to a higher standard than vezok town. TSO is showing too much confidence in a read I have asked 5 times for an explanation for if he's not willing to explain it.



Links to both games please.
Also in both cases is it one game only you are using meta on?
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:40 am

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farside22 wrote:I am going to make a longish post tonight that probably will sound crazy crackpot theory.


just so i can avoid reading a long post if possible - does it involve me being scum in any way?


Yes .


Ok, cool then this will be easy. It's wrong. And now I have even less faith in the vezok wagon because you agree with it.

VOTE: TSO


Oh and since you decided to make this shit comment I'll point out you drive that esp wagon so anyone thinking your views hold value should make you think scum is buddying you (which I wonder why you don't think that) or you are scum driving cases on town and not caring who follows.

Should I point to the game we were in together and your much better POV and cases? Or do you make shot cases as town that I'm unaware that you use day after day unchanged?


I'll freely admit my game is a lot worse without a scum flip, but there's no way there's not scum between tso, csareo, and you.
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:41 am

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just realized I can't give a link on the vezok game but give me a sec and I'll do tso. I remember playing as scum with TSO and being legitimately stressed that he could find me out - I doubt anyone could possibly feel that way about him this game
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:41 am

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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:14 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:and you still haven't made a case for vezok

Anatole Kuragin wrote:dude, none of you have even tried making a case on vezok - constantly saying "this lynch sucks vote vezok" does not illuminate anything for anyone who doesn't already agree with you

Anatole Kuragin wrote:What case on vezok has been made that is not "small and miniscule" - one of you PLEASE make a post detailing the case on him because I asked farside to do the same thing and it was total shit.

I've played with vezok and his behavior here does not seem incongruous with his town play. I have played with TSO and his behavior here is incongruous with his town play that I have seen.

Frankly I hold TSO town to a higher standard than vezok town. TSO is showing too much confidence in a read I have asked 5 times for an explanation for if he's not willing to explain it.
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I don't understand the scum read on vez. He's lurking like the rest of the game.


There are two static wagons at the moment, both with three people each. One is Csareo, the other is vezok. The lack of anything happening except these two is strongly, strongly indicative of one being scum. You agree with me that Csareo is both scum and an easy mislynch. Vezok is not only the counterwagon but he is
also voting Csareo to boot.


Vote vezok.


Why are people saying he has no case?

And TSO, what made SSK's vote scummier than mine?


Explain to me why my sheeping TSO was bad.
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:21 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
farside22 wrote:I am going to make a longish post tonight that probably will sound crazy crackpot theory.


just so i can avoid reading a long post if possible - does it involve me being scum in any way?


Yes .


Ok, cool then this will be easy. It's wrong. And now I have even less faith in the vezok wagon because you agree with it.

VOTE: TSO


Oh and since you decided to make this shit comment I'll point out you drive that esp wagon so anyone thinking your views hold value should make you think scum is buddying you (which I wonder why you don't think that) or you are scum driving cases on town and not caring who follows.

Should I point to the game we were in together and your much better POV and cases? Or do you make shot cases as town that I'm unaware that you use day after day unchanged?


I'll freely admit my game is a lot worse without a scum flip, but there's no way there's not scum between tso, csareo, and you.



Wow that Matt conspiracy shit was fast to disappear and just as quickly a scum read on me.
Fascinating. :roll:
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:25 am

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@vezo "I was kinda drunk when I posted that"

Isn't there a quote about alcohol being a truth serum?
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:25 am

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yeah well, you guys are all acting really weird about each other
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:28 am

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quite frankly this game is a massive, massive fuckfest. me being good as town is based on me being certain on some things, like townreads. there's nothing happening here.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:39 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:yeah well, you guys are all acting really weird about each other


Pot this is kettle.
How the fuck you doing.
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:20 pm

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T S O wrote:quite frankly this game is a massive, massive fuckfest. me being good as town is based on me being certain on some things, like townreads. there's nothing happening here.



I find it difficult to give a fuck when no one seems to be trying.
Like the case I asked you to make. :dead:

@Myko: Here is where my problem with your case. It is based on one idea. It doesn't really read as an out and out scum case.
I thought you had something stronger and it just didn't happen.

When you have Vezo making no case on Esp and placing a vote, why does it become, well it's vezo? He makes inaccurate meta and it gets ignored. He tells people to vote me and then simply ignores his own push and jumps opportunistically csa with the same case that has been repeated since the start of the game. Yet there is new points made against vezo that AK ignores and has this well meta and gut read.
I would like AK why a player you state is scummy as town and scummy as scum was worth pushing as a scum read? You give very weak meta points and then jumped on Esp because he did his dumb comment? What made him so scummy not to be just null based on the meta you provided in the game?
Now you are giving Vezo a pass based on an ongoing game and ignore things he does as scummy because?
No seriously the case you gave to about Csa I could make the same points about Vezo but he is town and you have yet to explain why other then vague meta you can't provide and have not even used the meta I provided from games over.
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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:48 pm

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farside22 wrote:
T S O wrote:quite frankly this game is a massive, massive fuckfest. me being good as town is based on me being certain on some things, like townreads. there's nothing happening here.

I find it difficult to give a fuck when no one seems to be trying.
Like the case I asked you to make. :dead:/quote]

My read on vezok is based on a little bit of gut and a little bit of seeing what happened when he and a counterwagon formed. Neither moved, meaning scum is on one. Csareo is not scum.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:48 pm

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In fact, you know what?

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK


I caught him for this EXACT THING as scum.
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:49 pm

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And before anyone gives me some bullshit about this being a lurker lynch - it's not.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:54 am

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I'm back, and I'll catch up
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:55 am

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T S O wrote:If I was scum, I'd probably just lurk. That points to Reck and maybe Matt, I guess. I don't know. It's not like anyone is actually supporting me, so it's all wasteful anyway.

I was gone sitewide. I didn't post in here but I've been overwhelmed with travel / med school apps / finding a job. I finished med school apps, so I should have relatively more free time.
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:25 am

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TSO, are you seriously jumping off the wagon at this point?
Anyways, I am suspicious of SSK's vote flip to Vezo.
If I was scum, I would see the wagon as opportunistic (assuming vezo is not scum).
Since I AM reading Vezo as scum, I can't reason both ways.
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:10 am

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Ugh this game is not fun to read. I think it's the avatars
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:13 am

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You got your lurk of grace, Reck, step the fuck up.
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:45 am

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VOTE: MYKONIAN

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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:48 am

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Myko is scum

Anatole is most nearly obviously town
Farside is most nearly obviously town
Flubber is not being lynched today even though his posts are poor quality
I believe at this moment that TSO is town

I think Myko is stagnant, and I think everything he is struggling hard to find a legitimate transition in his reads to seem a fluid player in the game, a la his attacks on Vezok/me and constant straddling on TSO, his only definite scum read he has been able to comfortably set into all game.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:50 am

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2. vezokpiraka -quite possibly scum
3. xRECKONERx -shelved
4. MafiaSSK -quite possibly scum
6. mykonian - scum
9. Csareo - I believe his AtE and I feel that he is town
10. Flubbernugget - untouchable by virtue of my follow
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:56 am

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I would like to take a money shot at this being myko/vezok/mafiassk with mutual masturbation/foreplay occuring in the form of softcore bussing and vague reads every now and again
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:57 am

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That's very possible.

SSK is still significantly more possible than myko, though. As is vezok.
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