↑Spifflop wrote:counter wagon is usually a term implied by me to mean a scum-pushed wagon to defend a buddy/person they don't want lynched
to me its a dirty word
I apologize if it has a connotation I was not aware of and I implied this. It is not what I meant.
PEdit: I missed the shiro wagon. I should go back.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:14 pm
by Spifflop
the ee wagon was shit
my wagon is shit. Almost like scum is going for the vocal townies or something
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:16 pm
by Dapper Stranger
You are using terms incorrectly and that causes much and more confusion. A counterwagon is naught but a wagon which is forming as an alternative to a previous wagon. Terms are important in a game such as this and their proper use even moreso. One's personal definition is causing mislynched because you are meaning one thing while saying another.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:19 pm
by Spifflop
I meant in this particular context but its 4am and I'm fucking tired
yes a counterwagon is just a second wagon
anyways, jaqen, you would know you're full of shit by now. You know this isn't my scum game, or should anyway. I have no idea what to think of elyse. I honestly am thinking shes scum. Spiffeh strongly disagrees. We agree on basically everything but that
my wagon is shit. Almost like scum is going for the vocal townies or something
Grapes was on you first Kirchhoff. Nobody is following that. A man is discovering there is a case to be made for this one being scum and that is being followed. This one saying over and over his wagon is scum driven isn't changing anything because a man knows himself to be town. In fact, that is falling on deaf ears. A man is finding no coincidence Spiff's push just happens to be on a player who is getting stronger as the game is progressing and who is figuring the slot out eventually.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:22 pm
by Dapper Stranger
↑Spifflop wrote:I meant in this particular context but its 4am and I'm fucking tired
yes a counterwagon is just a second wagon
anyways, jaqen, you would know you're full of shit by now. You know this isn't my scum game, or should anyway. I have no idea what to think of elyse. I honestly am thinking shes scum. Spiffeh strongly disagrees. We agree on basically everything but that
Cleaning stuff up now it's pointed out to you isn't erasing that which is done when left to your own devices. It's easy to play as town you once scum you is pointed out in detail.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:26 pm
by Spifflop
describe my scum game then, jaqen. No one caught me in FF7, and you clearly still can't. Like, I don't have to shake it up if you still can't read me apparently.
"scum me" has never been pointed in detail
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:26 pm
by Dapper Stranger
In other words- I know you're a stronger player than Spiffeh. It wasn't your play this is coming from. Spiffeh being better now isn't changing anything. Sorry.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:31 pm
by Spifflop
spiffeh is a damn fine town player and is killing it this game. I hope you realize that at least when kling flips scum.
This is town me. We have caught scum, trust me on this ffs. If we're wrong, I'll hear you out on Elyse scum, but I don't think we are.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:32 pm
by Spifflop
also irrelevant but you saying "spitflop" is making me howl
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:35 pm
by Dapper Stranger
↑Spifflop wrote:describe my scum game then, jaqen. No one caught me in FF7, and you clearly still can't. Like, I don't have to shake it up if you still can't read me apparently.
"scum me" has never been pointed in detail
Umm... a man is having his doubts about you from D3 in FFVII and is making it perfectly clear in 4191. That isn't meaning anyone is listening to him but he is never trusting you to be town there.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:36 pm
by Spifflop
I think your problem is that we had a not-so-serious vote on Klingon with her shitty entrance, and as she posted she KEPT UP with her scummy entrance. The read strengthened. Looking at your "case" I see you have a lot of problems with that. We both saw klings entrance as scummy, and actually switched to grapes. We were deadest on grapes until quite late. It wasn't until kling was so awfully scummy that we couldn't take it anymore that we flipped.
Kling's reads are horrible, based on seemingly no substance or anything, and honestly seems like shes getting coached. I love her as a person, but she is scummy as FUCK in this game.
pedit: ill have to go back and look but having your doubts sounds a lot different than figuring me out
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:39 pm
by Spifflop
erhm, I'm looking and I caught someone up on the game and misquoted something you said. That angered you but you didn't really do anything with that read. I was still townread by you from what I can gather with context?
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:39 pm
by Dapper Stranger
↑Spifflop wrote:describe my scum game then, jaqen. No one caught me in FF7, and you clearly still can't. Like, I don't have to shake it up if you still can't read me apparently.
"scum me" has never been pointed in detail
↑Spifflop wrote:spiffeh is a damn fine town player and is killing it this game. I hope you realize that at least when kling flips scum.
This is town me. We have caught scum, trust me on this ffs. If we're wrong, I'll hear you out on Elyse scum, but I don't think we are.
No. We flip you and if you're town then Klimg can go and Elyse be scrutinized. A man isn't lymching two players who are town cleared if you are flipping scum before making the smart play and flipping you first. If you're town you aren't fighting this. You aren't personally needing to survive to win. We have the numbers and your flip makes things much clearer tomorrow either way.
And a man isn't saying Spiffeh is bad, a man is saying you're stronger.
And really about the nickname? You've never spit, had it catch on your lower lip, and flop on your chin? It's a funny pun. Jeez.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:44 pm
by Spifflop
howl is a term for laugh. I found the nickname funny
No, I am not getting lynched for the "greater good". That is stupid as shit. We flip scum-kling, and then we move on from there. Pre-flip associatives don't work. You do not know conclusively anything with our death or anyones death. That is called running up lynches, and is a very poor tactic. Town will and SHOULD fight this. Randomfuckingmidget jumped on our wagon as soon as he could, has an undying townread on kling for fucking NO reason and is the scummiest-of-scum in this game. This guy is an awful candidate to be on our "town wagon", and honestly the fact that you don't see that is stressing me out. I thought you were town but you thinking random is a good town block member or whatever the fuck you think fills me with the worst of nightmares.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:56 pm
by Dapper Stranger
↑Spifflop wrote:I think your problem is that we had a not-so-serious vote on Klingon with her shitty entrance, and as she posted she KEPT UP with her scummy entrance.
You don't have to think.
As the master of his own thoughts a man is probably much and more well equipped in interpreting his own thoughts. And a man has explained, but is once more:
You vote someone for doing something different from RVS
You convince yourself your read is correct
Then you go on to say everything she says from there out has even more evidence she's scum
That's called a Plethora of Evidence and usually points to someone's innocence and that they may be being set up
This is I think you are scum and if you flip and I'm right both Elyse and Celt are town.
That's explicitly POST FLIP ASSOCIATIVES
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:02 pm
by Spifflop
You forget that sometimes people are right, and are very passionate about their rightness. And the party in the wrong continues to do wrong-things.
Its like, I knew Donald trump was a shit candidate a year ago. He has proceeded to become worse. This is the same situation. I turned my attention away to hating Ben Carson, but now I'm back to my hatred of Trump. Yes, it could be a "plethora of evidence", as you put it, or kling/Trump could just be scummier than he/she was before. Hint, its that one. I gave her a fair shot, and her reemergence in this game pinned her as scum.
and honestly even if you think we're wrong, at worst we're tunnelly town. I'm not sure where your case transforms into "we are evil scum"
pedit: right now its preflip. Assuming there is a associative before any flips = preflip
2. In his 17 posts a man isn't forming an opinion there yet as he could as likely be town keeping his head down to not stick out to scum or just scum. Inactivity isn't ringing for a man.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:07 pm
by Dapper Stranger
↑Spifflop wrote:You forget that sometimes people are right, and are very passionate about their rightness. And the party in the wrong continues to do wrong-things.
Its like, I knew Donald trump was a shit candidate a year ago. He has proceeded to become worse. This is the same situation. I turned my attention away to hating Ben Carson, but now I'm back to my hatred of Trump. Yes, it could be a "plethora of evidence", as you put it, or kling/Trump could just be scummier than he/she was before. Hint, its that one. I gave her a fair shot, and her reemergence in this game pinned her as scum.
and honestly even if you think we're wrong, at worst we're tunnelly town. I'm not sure where your case transforms into "we are evil scum"
pedit: right now its preflip. Assuming there is a associative before any flips = preflip
First she isn't posting the right stuff so she's scum
Then she's posting the right stuff but is scum anyhow
That tunneling at best
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:11 pm
by hiplop
last post tonight
↑Randomnamechange wrote:Also, UNVOTE: VOTE: spifflop
Doesn't look like spidey is happening today.
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SHE POSTED THE WRONG STUFF, JAQEN. You're tunneling. Spiffeh outlined quite cleary why kling was scum. Her completely fabricated reads, the damning meta on her by titus, her dodging of questions, her complete inability to scumread someone who wasn't for her strategic benefit.
I don't give a shit about early game, she got progressively more scummy. It took a LOT to pry me from my grapes read. It was not tunneling, it was logic and damning evidence, jaqen.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:11 pm
by hiplop
so yes, random is fucking on my wagon. Showed no resistance at all, like right away.
Does that change anything?
(real last post, pce)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:12 pm
by Dapper Stranger
↑Spifflop wrote:You forget that sometimes people are right, and are very passionate about their rightness. And the party in the wrong continues to do wrong-things.
Its like, I knew Donald trump was a shit candidate a year ago. He has proceeded to become worse. This is the same situation. I turned my attention away to hating Ben Carson, but now I'm back to my hatred of Trump. Yes, it could be a "plethora of evidence", as you put it, or kling/Trump could just be scummier than he/she was before. Hint, its that one. I gave her a fair shot, and her reemergence in this game pinned her as scum.
and honestly even if you think we're wrong, at worst we're tunnelly town. I'm not sure where your case transforms into "we are evil scum"
pedit: right now its preflip. Assuming there is a associative before any flips = preflip
It's plain that there are associatives with this one's flip. If a man is calling them town/scum today based on how I think you will flip that's pre associative. When a man is saying they will be plainly town/scum after seeing how you are flipping that's POST associative.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:13 pm
by Dapper Stranger
↑hiplop wrote:so yes, random is fucking on my wagon. Showed no resistance at all, like right away.
Does that change anything?
(real last post, pce)
Nope. A man is following the evidence where it is taking him. Nothing more, nothing less. And a man is just posting how he is feeling about rm.
↑Randomnamechange wrote:Also, UNVOTE: VOTE: spifflop
Doesn't look like spidey is happening today.
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SHE POSTED THE WRONG STUFF, JAQEN. You're tunneling. Spiffeh outlined quite cleary why kling was scum. Her completely fabricated reads
(oh, like thise a man is noticing you have done?)
, the damning meta on her by titus
(oh, like how Spiffeh is reacting to a man's case? Was he ignoring it earlier? Need to check.)
, her dodging of questions
(isn't that akin to misrepping someone? You know, like how you and Spiffeh have done with me calling the clears that will come with you scum flip preassociative when they clearly aren't?)
, her complete inability to scumread someone who wasn't for her strategic benefit.
(If a man is right and you are scum, would it not be to your advantage to get rid of a strong late game town while she's at her weakest?)
I don't give a shit about early game, she got progressively more scummy. It took a LOT to pry me from my grapes read. It was not tunneling, it was logic and damning evidence, jaqen.
