Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 10:57 pm
This isn't the only instance of it and you know it.In post 1274, UnaBombaH wrote:Knightmare argues with mechanics, so I answered with mechanics.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 10:58 pm
Why did you go for this path at all?In post 1084, Persivul wrote:My flip conftowns you 100%.In post 1080, mavsfan41 wrote:@Persivul: nfw scum!George votes scum!Popopopo in 857 and furthermore absolutely no chance scum!George votes scum!popopopo in 1058 and vote his scum buddy rather than just leaving it on you for the easy mislynch.
When you're still alive in final lylo...ask yourselfwhy.
What is the reasoning?
Why would scum EVER leave a conf.town alive when all the other kills are likely just Vanillas, and we have one 100% absent slot that's almost impossible to read in LyLo?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 10:58 pm
Yet you vote me.In post 1273, UnaBombaH wrote:In post 1268, Persivul wrote:For all of Una's analysis showing that I wouldn't play as I have as scum, he still manages to find reasons to vote me.If you are town here, I'd argue your play around your role was close to being optimal..?
I don't think claiming that 1-shot modifier would've been the right call D2 either, and the WIFOM about your result was always going to be there.
If you are scum, I commend you on your gambit anyway, and onlythink it was silly for you to commit the kill last nightconsidering what you had claimed.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 10:59 pm
I also think that if we mislynch on popopo today, I know everyone will rally up on you, but it will be very difficult to find the next two lynches in a LyLo because of what mavs has claimed.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:00 pm
UNVOTE:
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:06 pm
Out of interest in not having a no lynch... I will lynch popo before deadline if I absolutely have to, to go into tomorrow with actual information.
I would much, much, much rather lynch Persivul. But one of them must be lynched today to gain further information.
I will set an alarm for 1 hour before deadline, and check the game state then.
I will be super pissed off if anyone here screws up a lynch today.
I would much, much, much rather lynch Persivul. But one of them must be lynched today to gain further information.
I will set an alarm for 1 hour before deadline, and check the game state then.
I will be super pissed off if anyone here screws up a lynch today.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:07 pm
Because for now he's 100% convinced that George and popo can't be scum together. If George and popo are scum together, they could leave him alive for the win. My pointing this out increases the chance that someone I know for a fact to be town with bad reads gets killed tonight, or if not migghtr get mavs to reevaluate.In post 1276, UnaBombaH wrote:Why did you go for this path at all?
What is the reasoning?
Why would scum EVER leave a conf.town alive when all the other kills are likely just Vanillas, and we have one 100% absent slot that's almost impossible to read in LyLo?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:09 pm
Come on Una, you have to test this.In post 1280, PranaDevil wrote:Out of interest in not having a no lynch... I will lynch popo before deadline if I absolutely have to, to go into tomorrow with actual information.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:13 pm
^^I just want to make sure no one stops the day while I'm in the middle of this.
Whenever you manage to make me doubt, I always go back to check how popopo arrived to this day.
They vote you in their first post of the day, and they only made 2-3 posts in total before it was a full-on 1v1.
Their posts are consistent with their claim.
They out their guilty only when they are at L-1, but they still do it in a way that makes some sense.
My only DOUBTS about their claim are these short snippets:
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather use a stronger word when there's a reasonable chance I'm going to have to out my guilty at some point.
Whenever you manage to make me doubt, I always go back to check how popopo arrived to this day.
They vote you in their first post of the day, and they only made 2-3 posts in total before it was a full-on 1v1.
Their posts are consistent with their claim.
They out their guilty only when they are at L-1, but they still do it in a way that makes some sense.
My only DOUBTS about their claim are these short snippets:
"believe"?In post 816, popopopopopopo wrote:persivul lied yesterday andhe is still not being truthful with us.i believe
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather use a stronger word when there's a reasonable chance I'm going to have to out my guilty at some point.
Weird choice of words IMO, considering they could've just as well said "persi is scum" without outing their role or result yet.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:17 pm
I also find it harder and harder to look past this post from Tanner.In post 855, Tanner wrote:... Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees how bad this above post is.
You were scumreading Prana. You were Townreading Persivul. Where is the progression on either of those? What has made you suspect Persivul, other than him withholding he's 1shot?
This post screams "popopo has no reason to scumread Persivul here, unless something happened overnight".
Yet tanner didn't think this fits with popopopo being a Tracker with a guilty?
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:19 pm
In post 1150, UnaBombaH wrote:Wait what? Day long crumbing? Did I check the wrong ISO, or were there only like 3/4 posts before they were claiming?In post 1108, mavsfan41 wrote:And it’s easier to fake game theory than day long bread crumbing.
Not THAT hard to do.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:31 pm
Your point being?
I still think it's a silly reason to townlock popopoppo for "day long bread crumbing".
Doesn't mean their posting or play was wildly inconsistent with their claim?
I still think it's a silly reason to townlock popopoppo for "day long bread crumbing".
Doesn't mean their posting or play was wildly inconsistent with their claim?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:32 pm
Yep.In post 1284, UnaBombaH wrote:I also find it harder and harder to look past this post from Tanner.
This post screams "popopo has no reason to scumread Persivul here, unless something happened overnight".
Yet tanner didn't think this fits with popopopo being a Tracker with a guilty?
The reasoning he gave for tracking me was that Panda's flip ficked with his reads, so he checked me in order to confirm me, and therefore mavs as well.
But a tracker CAN'T confirm someone who has claimed to be out of shots. It can only provide a guilty, but never a clear. His claimed reasoning is bullshit.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:34 pm
Here it is. It's a blatant lie. A tracker couldn't CONFIRM me. It could only get a guilty.In post 896, popopopopopopo wrote:redpandas flipped fucked my reads
i figured id check persi to confirm him, myself and mavs and form a town bloc
imagine my surprise
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:37 pm
You can bash me all you want for not picking a side earlier or being more adamant with my reads.
But to be fair, I think the biggest reason why it's so fucking hard to assess the situation correctly right now is because so many players are acting stupid.
Either they are scum flailing around or rushing forward, or thei are townies that are too afraid to "look scummy" and take a step back and re-evaluate.
I have my own read of tanner, but the way they have locked on the idea of scum!popopo is not normal for an uninformed townie.
mavs did a completely unreasonable lock on to you instead.
Prana has been misrepping me the whole game.
George is doing the exact opposite of me, and keeps voting/unvoting instead of just taking a breather, and voting when they feel good about a decision.
Too big of a scumteam based on the play alone.
But to be fair, I think the biggest reason why it's so fucking hard to assess the situation correctly right now is because so many players are acting stupid.
Either they are scum flailing around or rushing forward, or thei are townies that are too afraid to "look scummy" and take a step back and re-evaluate.
I have my own read of tanner, but the way they have locked on the idea of scum!popopo is not normal for an uninformed townie.
mavs did a completely unreasonable lock on to you instead.
Prana has been misrepping me the whole game.
George is doing the exact opposite of me, and keeps voting/unvoting instead of just taking a breather, and voting when they feel good about a decision.
Too big of a scumteam based on the play alone.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:38 pm
Oh.In post 1288, Persivul wrote:Here it is. It's a blatant lie. A tracker couldn't CONFIRM me. It could only get a guilty.In post 896, popopopopopopo wrote:redpandas flipped fucked my reads
i figured id check persi to confirm him, myself and mavs and form a town bloc
imagine my surprise
And when did you claim to be a 1-shot exactly?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:38 pm
Right, you can't make it a clear-cut case either, no matter how hard you try.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:42 pm
Was it after? If so my bad, I'm playing poker rn while I post.In post 1290, UnaBombaH wrote:And when did you claim to be a 1-shot exactly?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:44 pm
In what world do I make the kill there?In post 1291, UnaBombaH wrote:Right, you can't make it a clear-cut case either, no matter how hard you try.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:44 pm
Except you already made this same mistake yesterday, and I was there to spot it.In post 1250, Persivul wrote:2. Panda's lynch fucked with his reads. He claims he decided to track me in order to get a clear on me, despite the fact that he COULDN'T get a clear on me. He could only get a guilty.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:45 pm
Oh, it goes deeper than that.In post 1293, Persivul wrote:In what world do I make the kill there?In post 1291, UnaBombaH wrote:Right, you can't make it a clear-cut case either, no matter how hard you try.
In what world does the Tracker track a claimed Rolecop WHO HAPPENS to later claim 1-shot and HAPPENS TO COMMIT THE KILL for the scumteam the same night?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:46 pm
Leaving Tanner+George+Prana+Knightmare+"Haven't been around at all"-slot to deal with a 5-player LyLo is gonna be awful.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:48 pm
Guess that's not an actual reality that will ever happen considering the tie-ins that some of the slots have, but I literally just got a headache thinking about this too much.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:50 pm
Why?In post 1296, UnaBombaH wrote:Leaving Tanner+George+Prana+Knightmare+"Haven't been around at all"-slot to deal with a 5-player LyLo is gonna be awful.
By today's flip, either tanner or prana is going to be shown to have read me/popo correctly, and will presumably be town leader.
That's why I think that even with my flip, Tanner could get NK'd over mavs.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 11:57 pm
Also note that, without the 1X claim, popo still couldn't confirm me. Scum rolecop is a thing.