Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Isis]

Spare Votecount 2.2

Hectic--------------------------

Chara---------------------------

(1) CantLynchAPuppy

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

Sujimichi--------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

Not sparing:

- (9) Hectic, Chara, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Sujimichi, Tanner

Fight Votecount 2.2

Hectic--------------------------

Chara---------------------------

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

Sujimichi--------------------------

(3) Morning Tweet, Chara, Hectic

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

(1) Tanner

Not Fighting:

- (6) Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Sujimichi, CantLynchAPuppy

CantLynchAPuppy had been noticing Chara for quite some time. It seemed to move around a lot since every few steps forward was matched with a balancing step or two in the direction, sometimes even a shake of the head. But when Chara had been stressed by its balance issues earlier, he had let out a sympathetic whimper. His poor visual sense gave him empathy for a poor kinesthetic sense. Either one will result in tripping, at least sometimes.
This made CantLynchAPuppy feel very excited about this new river development. You don't have to balance when you swim! Right?
He gave Chara two steel bucklers from his costume to use as floaties, since they were shaped like boats he was sure they'd float; he strapped them to Chara's legs. Then he began nudging Chara towards the water with his nose, excited to watch it swim.
Chara was not nearly as excited about its chances of staying afloat with only leg strokes and no armstrokes, and it did not expect the bucklers to tilt the odds in its favour. Its face went as white as a sheet.

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It takes six to make a decision. The deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-28 02:00:24)

[Prism]

Listen here you magical little sack of stuffing,

I said we're solving this

together

.

in my re-read I like Suji more because Redtea seems to have trouble articulating his thoughts - making them less likely imo to be true thoughts - he had trouble explaining when asked simple things like "why?" for example.

I thought 183 was plenty fleshed out. 266 I'm conflicted. I feel like going to bat for Elements here was +town, but I see what you mean about it being pretty inarticulate.

383 is arguably

too

fleshed out, and the intro does seem a bit off to me tonally.

427 isn't completely contradictory but pings me a little. Immediately tags onto a point by Elements and then tags onto catboi agreeing Elements is pretty null.

523 about Pooky's Ele/Tayl0r/cat team speculation is kind of ?

524 actually does bother me more on reread. The thrust of this post is taking catboi to task for not having a strong TR on me. But redtea didn't seem to be bothered by the fact me/cat were still wary of each other back in 434

Is there anything else I'm missing/how much of this do you agree with?

I feel better about the people who were discussing mechanics with Elements during the beginning of the day 1 - none of the conversations felt very S/S but I don't have enough game history with them to make these TRs highly confident per se.

I agree with this-Chara's 121 to 130 sequence especially stuck out to me as likely town. Do you know if you were thinking of others?

[Prism]

Sujimichi is limited access on weekends, but it's now no longer the weekend. A checkin here would be nice.

[Prism]

Comparing once more to their play in SIN, redtea's reads this game are also less fleshed out and even a tad more careful, despite the confidence in me/catboi.

Spoiler: Here's two sample posts from early on in that game:

But if you'd like, I've had since gone back as I said I would and, more specifically, my maf-lean on you comes from that your posts mostly seemed to be throwing questions out like candy to people with a handful of follow-ups, and it's only recently (having come to the topic of me, and then jackel) that you've really seemed to "hunker down" on a discussion. Maybe that's your playstyle or something, but even then it wasn't like you struck out towards that discussion on your own.
...I was going to compare you to another player and how their posts seem similar but better, but actually. I could see them as scum-coordinator and you following along.
Hm.

To be honest though, I would not vote you today. Norwegian, NDMath, and if people really want to for Results, even Jackal I would hammer or put at E-1 or 2. The problem with the first two is that there are no votes on them. Heck, I'm tied for most votes. I don't think I'm gonna change minds here.

So this is a bit of a follow-up to my last (acutal) post.

My post was never intended as a comprehensive solve,

Actually. You did specifically say: "EASY GAME PEOPLE LELELELE" which made me believe that was your final game solve.

(,,Ծ‸Ծ,, ) And you took a page 8 post as a serious gamesolve because...?

Because i just played a game with someone that fucking hard tunneled me from page 2 and literally called me/another guy the scum team and i had to fight their bone headed tunnel for 10 pages before i got lynched and flipped town. Sorry if you're different, i get kind of twitchy when i see myself included in scum reads early.

To me this looks like you were about to start beef with catboi, and were assuming we wouldn't find their joke about having solved the game in good town-taste. But since multiple people went "wait what? It was a joke though?" you began backtracking.
Related: I don't like that banancucho gave up so quick in #235. He hopped on and off this issue pretty quick.

*232 by catboi is a scum-point ping.

I understand getting a scum-ping from #232 if it was about his reads not being serious, but it was about it not being a serious

solve

. Did you misread that? Keep in mind the og quote is a partial one of #204.

I don't blame catboi for moving on to push Jackel btw. That doesn't make me not interested in this shit anymore though.

[Prism]

Sujimichi, when you get in-did you not have any thoughts to share upon finishing your Day 1 read?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Most susp for me was when he responded to 611 with 617

I think when you TR someone you should at least have 1 reason off the top off your head that you can kind of write down and explain. So it feels to me like he was just townslotting Catboi without actually doing the work of coming up with a good reason to townslot him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I agree with this-Chara's 121 to 130 sequence especially stuck out to me as likely town. Do you know if you were thinking of others?

Puppy and Chara both have good interaction there though Puppy was tempted by the cute animal alliance a bit

I particularly like Chara's 160

[Prism]

I like Chara's 160 but don't put early distancing out of their range here. I still think they're town, though. I remember that being a read I was very confident in during my reread.

Forgetting twice that they were on Elements was very ??? but I have no clue how to interpret that, it makes their continually being on them worse but like...if you're that worried about your scum partner getting voted are you really not going to be cognizant of where your vote is?

617/611 I thought was fine just because redtea had kind of laid out the catboi TR as being from the mechanics early. I actually really don't like that they seem to have forgotten about this engagement entirely in redtea's last two posts. Their explanation for forgetting...wasn't great.

[Prism]

Sorry, once Chara forgot they were on Hectic, the other they forgot they were on Elements

[Prism]

My scumpool at this point is like:

Sujimichi, Tayl0r, Lavender, Pooky, Tanner

Any combo of the first three is just......way too easy. But Pooky's play has improved tremendously since his initial reactions to catboi. His reads+reasoning have all made sense. I don't like those as much in hindsight, 610 really isn't generous and 633 is a bit disingenuous, in that Pooky openly avoided outing reads or discussing much outside of what the spare system should look like for a very,

very

long time.

After being suspicious of Pooky, I went to look at Tanner, whose interactions with Elements were early and

totally fine

. The only issues are that he gave beeboy a chance to post content and said the wagon was a bit too fast. Somebody call 911 on him. He also shuts down the Tayl0r vote so unless this it's Tayl0r/Tanner ???

I feel like if there's a deepscum it's one of those two but at this point there might not even be one. I just feel bad for still being cautious of Pooky for his early game despite obvious strong play.

[Prism]

Town vs. Lurkers, the oldest rivalry onsite continues

[CantHateAPuppy]

imagine not being tempted to the cute animal alliance

(... what do u mean, i just ctrl-f'd my own name and ignored everything else? )

[Morning Tweet]

cute animal alliance!!!!! !

[Morning Tweet]

i admire Prism's determination

[Tayl0r Swift]

am i eligible for the cute animal alliance?

[Prism]

Taylor, do you still feel like Chara is scum? Me/Pooky both seem to agree that their posts on page 5 and their read on Elements in 160 are good.

I think some of their midgame wasn't very notable but when it comes to reads, the two they've really seemed to press are 1) Elements, who has now flipped scum 2) redtea, whose slot is now being replaced a second time after some very lackluster posts by Sujimichi

[Prism]

It looks like you also seemed to agree that redtea belongs pretty low on the list, so I'm curious to see your thoughts on that slot.

[Prism]

Curious, Sujimichi... very curious.

HURT: Sujimichi

Hectic actually beat me to this point by several, SEVERAL days and I've given him so much shit over the last two game days.

I have wronged this man. I am a sinner.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor, do you still feel like Chara is scum? Me/Pooky both seem to agree that their posts on page 5 and their read on Elements in 160 are good.

I think some of their midgame wasn't very notable but when it comes to reads, the two they've really seemed to press are 1) Elements, who has now flipped scum 2) redtea, whose slot is now being replaced a second time after some very lackluster posts by Sujimichi

i mean sujimuchi is probably more likely to be scum. i have kinda weakened my scumread on chara. i do think theres prolly a deepwolf somewhere, but im thinking tanner is more likely scum than chara now.

[Prism]

Can you walk me through how you shifted that way? (Weaker on Chara -> Thinking more on Tanner?)

Tanner-can you talk more about your Puppy vote? I remember liking a lot of their interactions with Elements in hindsight. I also really don't see the point in pushing for a spare from them unless it is exactly Puppy+Chara...which I find really unlikely.

[Prism]

Any explanation you can give on how you've thought about redtea/Sujimichi would also be really helpful here imo

[Tayl0r Swift]

Can you walk me through how you shifted that way? (Weaker on Chara -> Thinking more on Tanner?)

Tanner-can you talk more about your Puppy vote? I remember liking a lot of their interactions with Elements in hindsight. I also really don't see the point in pushing for a spare from them unless it is exactly Puppy+Chara...which I find really unlikely.

off the cuff, tanner is gut, and chara has done some gamesolvey stuff. im pretty low-effort this game though. sorry.

[Prism]

i still just feel like charas posts are mostly fluff and chara is present in the thread but not present in the scumhunting much. theres just too much fluff.

Can you walk me through how you shifted that way? (Weaker on Chara -> Thinking more on Tanner?)

off the cuff, tanner is gut, and chara has done some gamesolvey stuff. im pretty low-effort this game though. sorry.

These aren't completely contradictory but I'm really trying to get some evidence of legitimate process from you here. How have you decided that Chara is now more gamesolvey? What was the initial cause of your shift-was it your own thinking, the posts I linked, something Chara said recently? This is the process I want to be walked through.

[Prism]

Suji hasn't posted since their rep-in.
can i take this as an excuse to wait another day? some things happened and i'm really not feeling up to it.

Prism you wanted to hear something from me?

Naw, I just want to see your lovely avatar back on the page. Come back when you feel like it, though.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i still just feel like charas posts are mostly fluff and chara is present in the thread but not present in the scumhunting much. theres just too much fluff.

Can you walk me through how you shifted that way? (Weaker on Chara -> Thinking more on Tanner?)

off the cuff, tanner is gut, and chara has done some gamesolvey stuff. im pretty low-effort this game though. sorry.

These aren't completely contradictory but I'm really trying to get some evidence of legitimate process from you here. How have you decided that Chara is now more gamesolvey? What was the initial cause of your shift-was it your own thinking, the posts I linked, something Chara said recently? This is the process I want to be walked through.

the recent posts, and when you all asked me to go look last time i re-read the iso and started to rethink. thats where im at now, and thats all there really is to say. if you want engagement from me, a wagon on me is probably the way to go. but i cant promise that ill suddenly get good reads. my townhunting is usually pretty good. my scumhunting is usually pretty bad. this is nothing like my scumgame. i prefer playing as scum.