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[NorwegianboyEE]

What's that supposed to mean. "You can never be too sure of your scumreads"?
It sounds like something an grandma would say.

[Bambi Jay]

Or a robot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope we're not all just bullying town. Hopefully they will flip scum and i will feel totally justified and good about all my pokes at them.

[GeniusGamer]

What's that supposed to mean. "You can never be too sure of your scumreads"?
It sounds like something an grandma would say.

Or a robot.

Or a robot grandma.

[Bambi Jay]

Genius, I don't know if you've been told this in your newbie game, but generally when there's 3 days left and less, people get more antsy and willing to vote worse decisions.

I for one almost died as a town Jailkeeper because a quick wagon formed on me in an hour and was ready to kill me with 12 hours left.

So my recommendation is to claim now while we can process it before you get the death happening to you.

[Lost]

N_M obviously has a lot to gain as scum by lolhammering. It is very possible that Dong could have talked things out and convinced the majority of players of his towniness. N_M prevented that from happening, both cutting off discussion (there was, in fact, discussion going on at the time) and removing any chance of not miseliminating Dong.

there was, like i said before, barely any discussion. he has stuff to gain, i agree, but not a lot. scumnm has a lot more at risk and a lot more to lose.

Also, the whole PR thing doesn’t really make sense. Not_Mafia would be unable to know whether Dong was a PR or not with this setup, at that point in the game. If he was scum, all he’d know was that Dong was town. Therefore, whether he was town or scum, he was willing to take the risk of lolhammering. Either way, if Dong had been a PR,

this would result in him being eliminated

I would vote for him and everyone else would give him a free pass, because that’s what’s been happening so far.

you're more likely to lolhammer a pr as scum than if you were town, thus making it riskier, was what i was trying to get at.

No, I don’t consider that part of my strategy to be rigid. If someone claimed scum relatively seriously, refused to give reads, and hammered at every opportunity, wouldn’t you vote for them? And if you would, do you consider it rigid? I don’t. Instead, I consider it to be the only sensible course of action. Then again, it really depends on the person. If there’s a single intelligent reaction and you always do that reaction, is it rigidity, intelligence, or both? I personally just think it’s intelligence.

yes i would for that. no that's not rigid. this isnt an appropriate analogy. i agree that it depends on the person, that's the whole point of mafia. and because it depends on person, your reaction should never be the same. having the same reaction to the same action done by different people isn't intelligent. same point as the textbook tells

“Textbooky,” a phrase I used, is obviously not an English word. If it were, however, it would be synonymous with the adjective “textbook”. If you claim that I’m using textbook tells, you’re heavily implying that you’re calling my play textbook by extension.

you can have unorthodox, non textbook playstyle while still being rigid. what are you trying to accomplish by continuing arguing this point? focus on the more important things.

Also, if I did a single particular thing (viciously scumreading N_M), and I point out that single particular thing, how is it cherry-picking? That’s like me saying “I know what 1 + 1 is; it’s 2” followed by you saying “You’re cherry-picking information because you only gave one instance of what 1 + 1 is.”

you have, as you said "many, many others". you pick 1. post them all if you're really interested in helping the gamestate.

[Lost]

Is there anything I missed? I’d be happy to shoot down more of your inaccuracies.

also i think i forgot to include this, but if his tayl0r case was indeed rushed, then i'm looking forward to what he has tomorrow.

the fact that your first thought is to dismiss rather than to inquire speaks volumes about how you approach the game. on 2 separate occasions people bring up meta, on both of these occasions you brush them off, only until someone bothers to give you something more specific. why didn't you ask for something more concrete in the first place? small actions like this don't help your case, if anything they add to the scumminess, because you can choose to ignore meta and tunnel only until someone bothers to bring up the evidence, then you have to step back.

1. bambi is obviously cooperating to some degree. norwee asks her to vote, bambi says she could or couldnt or whatever, but still provides her who she would vote. and gives some reasoning for it.
2. nm was the one that pushed her further regarding her non-voting. thus i don't expect her response to be serious, leading to the "rebelling against the country" response
3. subsequently we get 791 and 793. 791 continues the point of "please play and put your vote", 793 is just another "i could, or i couldnt"

however point number 1 proves that, while she chooses not too vote, she is still providing her top vote choice and supporting it somehow. this makes me think that she isn't really serious in her lack of cooperation.

whether or not you think it's joking or not is up to you. i don't think this is a slip in any way, nor do i think it's scummy. i agree, intentionally not cooperating is something scum would want to do to inhibit scumhunting, but she contributed her reads. she merely decided not to put her vote down. your response came shortly after, if you had not posted and let the interaction continue she may have voted eventually (as she did in 801. i dont see her response as "being caught". at this point in the game your dislike of jokes is apparent. being upset for being called out for a joke is just frustration, not alignment indicative.

sure, you don't need to vote to bus. sure, you don't need to full out scumread 2 people to think one is bussing the other, as long as you somewhat suspect both of them to be scum. but bambi calling out isis for drunk posting does not distance her from isis. what she's doing is explaining isis actions for her, claiming that isis is drunk posting and thus should be taken less seriously/with a grain of salt yadayada. if you suspect them both, wouldn't it be bambi trying to cover for isis, rather than bussing her?

also, even if your buddies told you to stop that doesn't mean you can just stop tunneling on nm.

well i would think you need some evidence to back up a good read. you address like 2-3 posts every case, that's not helpful to convince others of your reads, and definitely doesn't help discussion of any sort.

also yeah, i read that instance. not sure why it matters though, you're just bringing up an instance, i'm assuming, you saw play out to bring up a scumtell. you could have just brought up the scumtell imo.

also yes, i read that "reveal themselves" thing you mentioned. in fact i address it here:

well i would think you need some evidence to back up a good read. you address like 2-3 posts every case, that's not helpful to convince others of your reads, and definitely doesn't help discussion of any sort.

also yeah, i read that instance. not sure why it matters though, you're just bringing up an instance, i'm assuming, you saw play out to bring up a scumtell. you could have just brought up the scumtell imo.

also yes, i read that "reveal themselves" thing you mentioned. in fact i address it here:

talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

youre a pretty selective reader arentcha

i feel like this is the first time you outright declare you townread bob. you've only ever claimed, and clarified, to trust bob, like in 879, 993, and 1099 where you explicitly call bob trustworthy while townreading yourself. so where exactly is this townread that i'm missing?

For when you finish reading my essay: Lost, who would you like to be eliminated today? Please give at least 2 or 3 people.

the second is kind of a toss up between you and nm. bambi/isis/mwnn are kinda in a grey area

for clarity, but not entirely accurate, merely to serve as a rough gauge:

gg > tayl0r > nm > isis > bambi > mwnn

just the most recent, but also relevant, of selective reading/cherry picking things to response to. you're only concerned with the case or things to latch on to. you ask to look useful, when i had already given my readlist very recently.

[Isis]

Is lost actually the slot that called himself dumb at the start of the game

[Lost]

Still don't like Pengu, I can already tell I can't read Genius when he's my opposite and this is his first real game on site. You seem smart and slightly townie so I trust you.

my pp read is kinda in limbo until he posts again. don't rmb much from the slot except the recent mention of watching and waiting. can you share more about pp, and also more about your other scumreads? or townreads. share all of em

[MURDERCAT]

Prompting Bambi about Lost isn’t considered scumhunting?

Asking questions is easy building cases is hard

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is lost actually the slot that called himself dumb at the start of the game

Seems clever, "hi i'm dumb."
And then you pull an UNO reverse card.

[Lost]

I have seen nothing from GG that says he is town and yet it feels like this wagon is too easy if it's scum. Everyone is either on GG or is generally ok with the course of events so far. Definitely no hammer before we get MWNN input.

i like this post for various reasons and so i'm keeping this in my iso

[bob3141]

Im so tempted to try and make some lolhammer town meta. But in all seriousness Gamer its time to claim

[Lost]

Is lost actually the slot that called himself dumb at the start of the game

uwu

[Lost]

Prompting Bambi about Lost isn’t considered scumhunting?

Asking questions is easy building cases is hard

adding on to this, it's questions like the one in 1262 that are incredibly superficial and will probably warrant you nothing, especially because the answer is already apparent in 1258

dejavu it's the exact same thing i bring up in 1246

[Bambi Jay]

Im so tempted to try and make some lolhammer town meta. But in all seriousness Gamer its time to claim

See Gamer, even the Avatar agrees.

[the worst]

vote count 2.20

GeniusGamer (5): MURDERCAT, PenguinPower, Isis, NorwegianboyEE, Not_Mafia
Tayl0r Swift (2): bob3141, ManWithNoName
Lost (1): Tayl0r Swift
Bambi Jay (1): GeniusGamer
PenguinPower (1): Bambi Jay

Not voting: Lost

Deadline: (expired on 2020-09-23 08:00:00)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.


mod notes:
- quack.

[MURDERCAT]

GeniusGamer (4): MURDERCAT, PenguinPower, Isis, NorwegianboyEE, Not_Mafia

Should be 5

[Isis]

I'm negative one person and MURDERCAT is two

[Isis]

My phone autocorrect now knows that MURDERCAT is capitals

[MURDERCAT]

My phone autocorrect now knows that MURDERCAT is capitals

This is excellent, very efficient

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lost (2): Tayl0r Swift, Isis

Also this is wrong.
Oh you are just THE WORST at counting.

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LEAVE ME ALONE I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS

[Tayl0r Swift]

unless isis is a double-voter!!!

[MURDERCAT]

unless isis is a double-voter!!!

This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen. First claiming double-voter, which isn’t even in the setup -

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamer can you claim.