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VOTE: imaginality

I didn't target anyone.
So either the jailkeeper jailkept scum, or jailkept scum's target, or the doctor protected town, or the scum no-killed.

Whichever it is, I expect scum to push hard to elim me today (or jailkeeper and/or doc if they claim and aren't scum), since another no-kill night would give us an extra mis-elim.

Hello Gamma, why are you voting me?

In post 1271, Gypyx wrote:1-shot Jailkeeper - [REDACTED]

In post 1272, Gypyx wrote:

Night 3 has ended...
no one has died !
day 4 starts now

GET , SCUM!!!

Did you REALLY think that, when there was such a fucking obvious protect two nights in a row and I had outed that I had made a top bid of 200 that you could snipe it from me and prevent me from saving marcistar?

Of COURSE I raised my bid above 200!

But by how much?

Too bad you redacted that bid, eh?? Guess you'll never know!

So I have some unspecified amount below 300.

To be clear and unambiguous:

This is pretty damn transparently a protection as I figured using my role to protect was easier than using it to block with two scum alive. (If we had only one scum alive I was going to holster, let imaginality use his roleblock, announce I own a jailkeep and select a target, but with two scum alive and the obvious protect to make I needed to save marcistar.)

VOTE: VFP.

In post 1278, mastina wrote:

I won the 1x jailkeeper, and I jailkept marcistar last night.

i think we should trust mastina unless theres a cc or anything. i tried digging and it failed, dont see anything else to explain this.

In post 1276, imaginality wrote:I didn't target anyone.
So either the jailkeeper jailkept scum, or jailkept scum's target, or the doctor protected town, or the scum no-killed.

i don't think its very likely scum no killed, they 100% need to get the number of very trusted townies down to get a shot at winning (and before more people can be thought of in a "near confirmed" way), not killing at this state would be detrimental for them.

, who do u think vfps partner would be?

gamma emerald, something_smart, vfp <- scums within these, maybe possibly ssbm_kyouko could be, but that seems unlikely to me.

, who do u think?
, who do u think?
(anyone else is welcome to answer as well)

I still think something_smart would be the more likely to flip scum, but im fine with vfp as well.

I enhanced these last night

2-shot Tracker
1-shot Doctor
1-shot Bulletproof
2-shot Neighborizer

Neighborizer is just filler, didnt want to enhance commuter in case scum used it to dodge something. Rest should be self-explanatory. I went with 2-shot rather than 1 just in case someone had a use for it, like an AD that wanted to out results via the hood, but figured it didnt really matter either way considering how late in the game it is

I enhanced these last night

2-shot Tracker
1-shot Doctor
1-shot Bulletproof
2-shot Neighborizer

Neighborizer is just filler, didnt want to enhance commuter in case scum used it to dodge something. Rest should be self-explanatory. I went with 2-shot rather than 1 just in case someone had a use for it, like an AD that wanted to out results via the hood, but figured it didnt really matter either way considering how late in the game it is

votecount 4.1

Gamma Emerald (0)
mastina (0)
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (0)
Something_Smart (0)
imaginality (1) - Gamma Emerald
marcistar (0)
VFP (1) - mastina

not voting (6) - Everyone else

day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-07-07 05:21:30)

auction

the auctioned abilities are :

2-shot Tracker

1-shot Neighborizer

2-shot Neighborizer

2-shot Hitman

In post 1279, marcistar wrote:

mastina

, who do u think vfps partner would be?

I honestly don't know. It's not Smoke & Mirrors; it's not you.

From there, towniest to least townie, I would go:

Something_Smart ~= imaginality > ssbm >>> Gamma Emerald >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VFP

But my hope is that we can eliminate VFP today, VFP flips scum, and imaginality can give us an extra elimination with his roleblock, or an extra conftown if not. (That said the presence of a hitman means that we may have trouble there. I'm hoping that the scum cannot pick up both the tracker and the hitman so that one goes to town and that town player can use it to ensure redundancy with imaginality.)

In post 1283, mastina wrote:(That said the presence of a hitman means that we may have trouble there. I'm hoping that the scum cannot pick up both the tracker and the hitman so that one goes to town and that town player can use it to ensure redundancy with imaginality.)

Basically my hope here is that if scum snipe the hitman for the rb immunity, they cannot snipe the tracker, and that the player with the tracker can thus use it to make just as much of a useful result as the rb;

If the scum snipe the tracker for the prevention of the investigative with one scum alive, they cannot snipe the hitman.

At least, that is the hope.

In post 1284, mastina wrote:

In post 1283, mastina wrote:(That said the presence of a hitman means that we may have trouble there. I'm hoping that the scum cannot pick up both the tracker and the hitman so that one goes to town and that town player can use it to ensure redundancy with imaginality.)

Basically my hope here is that if scum snipe the hitman for the rb immunity, they cannot snipe the tracker, and that the player with the tracker can thus use it to make just as much of a useful result as the rb;

If the scum snipe the tracker for the prevention of the investigative with one scum alive, they cannot snipe the hitman.

At least, that is the hope.

I think scum bought at least one of watcher, 2-shot AD, so it's possible if we have enough players with wallet left they can make scum choose between the two. I think we need a popcorn full claim starting with S_S, everyone else has info out about what they've bid and when, and with the info that is out it is clear that town cannot outbid scum on both roles, probably not either role. Smoke claims last because they've already outed they have AD, so if they won the 2-shot it is best to let them claim last to catch anyone lying.

Oh for now
VOTE: S_S

In post 457, VFP wrote:So that leaves (removing Cyrus as I think town).

mastina
Cupcake
Mistyx
marci

Rereading the game right now and bookmarking this

S&M, VFP, Imaginality: why do you think Distance was NKed? Read his ISO, consider the gamestate D2, what do you think?

^and Gamma too, also should answer

My guess is some combination of:
-Distance was on the Kitty wagon (though I think if this was a factor it makes it more likely the Kitty wagon was all town, or else scum would rather have more wagoners around to hide among)
-Distance's reads were good (Kitty scum, cyrus town, marci seems like a good call as town)
- Distance voted VFP
- scum were coin-hunting and Distance hadn't claimed any PRs
- avoiding town PRs (despite what some have said, I don't think Distance was the most obvious target for D2 nightkill, so I think scum would see Distance as someone who might not be protected/watched. If this was a factor then either doc or watcher is town (or dead)

In post 1279, marcistar wrote:

In post 1278, mastina wrote:

I won the 1x jailkeeper, and I jailkept marcistar last night.

i think we should trust mastina unless theres a cc or anything. i tried digging and it failed, dont see anything else to explain this.

In post 1276, imaginality wrote:I didn't target anyone.
So either the jailkeeper jailkept scum, or jailkept scum's target, or the doctor protected town, or the scum no-killed.

i don't think its very likely scum no killed, they 100% need to get the number of very trusted townies down to get a shot at winning (and before more people can be thought of in a "near confirmed" way), not killing at this state would be detrimental for them.

I agree it's unlikely. To be clear I 100% believe mastina jailed you, I just don't think it means mastina is locktown. I do agree it would be very risky for scum to try it though (given a successful doc or roleblock could give town an extra day). For now I'm proceeding under the assumption mastina and you are both town.

mastina

, who do u think vfps partner would be?

gamma emerald, something_smart, vfp <- scums within these, maybe possibly ssbm_kyouko could be, but that seems unlikely to me.

smoke

, who do u think?

imaginality

, who do u think?
(anyone else is welcome to answer as well)

I still think something_smart would be the more likely to flip scum, but im fine with vfp as well.

If VFP is scum I could see Gamma or Something_Smart as a possible partner. Based on their reading VFP as town and Gamma's voting for presumed VFP scum partners rather than VFP directly.

Ssbm seems less likely

In post 1277, imaginality wrote:Whichever it is, I expect scum to push hard to elim me today (or jailkeeper and/or doc if they claim and aren't scum), since another no-kill night would give us an extra mis-elim.

Hello Gamma, why are you voting me?

I greatly dislike how the wagon shifted to CB over you

votecount 4.2

Gamma Emerald (0)
mastina (0)
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - VFP
Something_Smart (1) ssbm_Kyouko
imaginality (1) - Gamma Emerald
marcistar (0)
VFP (1) - mastina

not voting (6) - Everyone else

day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-07-07 05:21:30)

auction

the auctioned abilities are :

2-shot Tracker the top bid at mid point is 200

1-shot Neighborizer the top bid at mid point is 0

2-shot Neighborizer the top bid at mid point is 0

2-shot Hitman the top bid at mid point is 0

In post 1293, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1277, imaginality wrote:Whichever it is, I expect scum to push hard to elim me today (or jailkeeper and/or doc if they claim and aren't scum), since another no-kill night would give us an extra mis-elim.

Hello Gamma, why are you voting me?

I greatly dislike how the wagon shifted to CB over you

Which part of that specifically? VFP voting CB, marci voting CB, or S&M unvoting me?

VFP I’d say

VOTE: Something_Smart

I see more ways SS could be scum buddies with someone else remaining than I do for VFP. And marci's read on me was stellar and she thinks SS is the more likely scum between them.

I think ssbm's idea of a popcorn claim makes sense, in particular because it means we know doc and watcher are scum if they don't claim today. But it's going to be a push to get it done today especially if we start with SS who seems to like lurking until closer to deadline...

In post 1291, imaginality wrote:I agree it's unlikely. To be clear I 100% believe mastina jailed you, I just don't think it means mastina is locktown. I do agree it would be very risky for scum to try it though (given a successful doc or roleblock could give town an extra day). For now I'm proceeding under the assumption mastina and you are both town.

hmmm, she isn't locktown true, but when i thought through it yesterday i thought ill just trust her until its shown i shouldnt
i see why she could've done it as scum, but other things i've thought about make it unlikely.

In post 1297, imaginality wrote:I see more ways SS could be scum buddies with someone else remaining than I do for VFP. And marci's read on me was stellar and she thinks SS is the more likely scum between them.

hmm, i was trying to think through this.. i really do think something_smarts scum, but trying to think of who their partner is is kinda a toughie i wanted to wait for something_smart and others to come in and give some juicy juicy content before i vote there, but vfp just doesn't seem too interested in talking this game..?
1292 doesn't really vibe well, mostly because of how its just a vote and nothing else, i feel as if he could've given an opinion on something, like the popcorn claim idea, or comment on gamma emeralds vote, or even an answer to 1288.. but he didn't. he could always be busy but like

1293 1295 1296 when thinking on these chunk of posts, it just like.. even though i dont like the voting imaginality idea, it doesnt really seem scummy here i think

VOTE: something_smart

1292 did raise my hackles a bit too.
I'm not convinced scum openly buys ninja for 500 on D2 though.

On the flip side I'm still wondering whether we get five town on the D2 VFP wagon if VFP is town. Wagon was {Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko} so if you and mastina are town then to my mind it's highly likely ssbm or VFP are scum rather than both town.
Hmm...
VOTE: Unvote