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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:11 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1273, Titus wrote: In post 1206, House wrote:Enchant read it's waffle-ish, but given that it's d1, that is whatevs.
I truly loathe his progression on Manatee, though. That has bothered me for a long time.
Why is my stance questionable but Enchant gets a pass because it's day 1?
This is talking about my stance on Enchant
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:18 am
by Titus
Oh it's a picture of me and the worst in 20 years! You even drew my judge's robe! Your label is sads though.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:21 am
by Titus
In post 1249, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Does Xtoxm like playing one alignment over the other?
VOTE: Gamma
My scumread on Miss Midnight was because it felt like she was playing whack a mole but only punching the moles halfway with the hammer, like when she said she thought me listing 3 most likely scum positions was an attempt at really bad shade, when it was just an observation. She's applied a little more force on the Gamma whack though which I like.
Hi wolfy poppins. No wait, bunny poppins.
You see a new wagon to Enchant and you be hoppin like it was a carrot.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:22 am
by Titus
Concur. I smell wagon shopping to avoid Enchant.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:23 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1277, Titus wrote: In post 1249, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Does Xtoxm like playing one alignment over the other?
VOTE: Gamma
My scumread on Miss Midnight was because it felt like she was playing whack a mole but only punching the moles halfway with the hammer, like when she said she thought me listing 3 most likely scum positions was an attempt at really bad shade, when it was just an observation. She's applied a little more force on the Gamma whack though which I like.
Hi wolfy poppins. No wait, bunny poppins.
You see a new wagon to Enchant and you be hoppin like it was a carrot.
That fact did not escape me
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:26 am
by Titus
In post 1267, Harvey and Haley wrote: In post 1260, Titus wrote:What do you like about it? Why aren't you voting there then?
I was not an active participant in the Enchant discussion (granted, a significant bit happened while I was asleep) and given I had mild interaction with him earlier plus my general thread presence otherwise it seemed like a good attack.
Why would I vote there? I know that any association argument would be inherently incorrect.
-Harvey
Your whole posts made no sense about liking it. If you liked just the parts about Enchant and Thor, then why not vote Enchant? I didn't expect you to take the position that my attack on you was reasonable as players rarely take that PoV.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:30 am
by Harvey and Haley
It's condensed, I can't recall specific games - but the "meta" I'm using that you usually express greater nuance in reads, is that incorrect?
Titus wrote: In post 1206, House wrote:Enchant read
it's waffle-ish, but given that it's d1, that is whatevs.
I truly loathe his progression on Manatee, though. That has bothered me for a long time.
Why is my stance questionable but Enchant gets a pass because it's day 1?
Bolded refers to Gamma's read on Enchant, I believe.
Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 1223, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I'm not saying you have to wall (in fact, please don't), but I guess I expected you to distill it down to a couple of points and nip it in the bud or something.
This feels reasonable
And what do you make out of that post being reasonable? Feels like a very arbitrary post to quote and mention reasonable.
Titus wrote:
Concur. I smell wagon shopping to avoid Enchant.
What would you suppose were/are the other wagons being shopped?
Titus wrote:
Your whole posts made no sense about liking it. If you liked just the parts about Enchant and Thor, then why not vote Enchant? I didn't expect you to take the position that my attack on you was reasonable as players rarely take that PoV.
I did not like all your posts re: Enchant and Thor. I specifically liked one point of yours that called out "awkward interactions between H+H and Enchant/Thor". And while I like that point, I know it is not true - since I'm town.
I like taking a "if I was in their spot would I feel that about Auro" perspective and evaluating from there.
-Harvey
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:37 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1281, Harvey and Haley wrote:It's condensed, I can't recall specific games - but the "meta" I'm using that you usually express greater nuance in reads, is that incorrect?
To a point it’s correct
I’m trying to re-adjust how I read because I’ve felt like I’ve been missing the mark more than I should, so that might be why I’ve been off from what you expect
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:39 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1281, Harvey and Haley wrote:And what do you make out of that post being reasonable? Feels like a very arbitrary post to quote and mention reasonable.
It’s not exactly AI, I’m just like “that feels like the thing I would do when faced with a wallcase against me, good to know me and catscratch think alike”
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:20 am
by Enchant
I just remembered.
Titus, could you say why i looks scared? Because i am never scared.
Well. Unless i need decide things.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:30 am
by Miss Midnight
In post 1253, Harvey and Haley wrote: In post 1240, the worst wrote: In post 1234, Flea The Magician wrote:My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.
Haley is always low pressure D1 and I don't think he's been playing mafia lately. I'm more focused on what Harvey is doing rather than literal absence.
pedit: VOTE: gamma emerald
Why is this pedit aligned to the right? I wasn't able to spot it easily.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
-Harvey
Yeah I was literally about to say, great modding by Datisi to catch that. I saw that votecount and had to go back and check, somehow missed that vote despite seeing that page probably a double digit number of times.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:32 am
by Miss Midnight
In post 1256, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 1147, Miss Midnight wrote:You'll have to excuse me if I eschew the typical style of a full spampost catch up, I think it might double the length of the thread. And that's if I could even get through it before passing out.
These feel mildly performative and are a waste of space
Said the pot to the kettle.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:36 am
by Gamma Emerald
I at least try to include my mid-catch up asides within my catch up posting
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:57 am
by House
Hard disagree.
She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.
That one opinion being invalidated by others does not automatically negate everything else she claimed to read into my posts.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:58 am
by House
In post 1264, Titus wrote: In post 1143, House wrote:
You don't address her knowledge of his playstyle at all.
(Yes, they do know each other)
Great, on top of meta...meta that I'm inferred to know and expected to use...
I inferred no such thing.
If i made an erroneous assumption i apologize, but i could have sworn that you knew his main.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:00 am
by Miss Midnight
In post 1258, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 1157, Miss Midnight wrote:For the record, and it truly is for the record because the thread has probably moved past this discourse by now, none of my scumread on Thor was based on a "weird" playstyle or any of the random stats posts. It was primarily based off of the vote on Gamma, which I think was pretty heavily scummy. Don't think the stats posts themselves are scum indicative, but also they're not town indicative. Think the most revealing parts of Thor's ISO, as I've seen it from what I've read until, come from posts voting, discussing votes or talking about reads.
Why
was the vote on me scummy, and how does it alter your read of me?
I think that it was pretty clear from the beginning of your whole interaction with House that much of it was really about external stuff and not about in-game stuff. Not that I want to retread any of this, but House's vote on you especially seemed pretty explicitly to be non-game relevant. So Thor's following House onto a vote on you without any additional comment indicating some other reason for the vote or the timing is noteworthy in itself. We can speculate on the hypothetical motivation for a scum Thor, but the basic fact doesn't change that it doesn't seem especially town motivated to me.
Thor's vote on you there has no bearing on my read on you.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:01 am
by House
In post 1273, Titus wrote: In post 1206, House wrote:Enchant read it's waffle-ish, but given that it's d1, that is whatevs.
I truly loathe his progression on Manatee, though. That has bothered me for a long time.
Why is my stance questionable but Enchant gets a pass because it's day 1?
I was referring to Gamma's read on Enchant.
It's common for people to be unsure/waffle on reads on d1.
I don't think I've criticized you for waffling, have i?
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:02 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1290, Miss Midnight wrote: In post 1258, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 1157, Miss Midnight wrote:For the record, and it truly is for the record because the thread has probably moved past this discourse by now, none of my scumread on Thor was based on a "weird" playstyle or any of the random stats posts. It was primarily based off of the vote on Gamma, which I think was pretty heavily scummy. Don't think the stats posts themselves are scum indicative, but also they're not town indicative. Think the most revealing parts of Thor's ISO, as I've seen it from what I've read until, come from posts voting, discussing votes or talking about reads.
Why
was the vote on me scummy, and how does it alter your read of me?
I think that it was pretty clear from the beginning of your whole interaction with House that much of it was really about external stuff and not about in-game stuff. Not that I want to retread any of this, but House's vote on you especially seemed pretty explicitly to be non-game relevant. So Thor's following House onto a vote on you without any additional comment indicating some other reason for the vote or the timing is noteworthy in itself. We can speculate on the hypothetical motivation for a scum Thor, but the basic fact doesn't change that it doesn't seem especially town motivated to me.
Thor's vote on you there has no bearing on my read on you.
Okay
Why do you think Thor would have wanted to hop on me like that?
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:02 am
by Miss Midnight
In post 1276, Titus wrote:Oh it's a picture of me and the worst in 20 years! You even drew my judge's robe! Your label is sads though.
I don't think so. (You are still looking stylish, though.)
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:04 am
by Miss Midnight
In post 1288, House wrote:She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.
Nobody really needs "excuses" to stop voting somewhere. You can just do it and probably nobody will really make a big deal about it.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:05 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1294, Miss Midnight wrote: In post 1288, House wrote:She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.
Nobody really needs "excuses" to stop voting somewhere. You can just do it and probably nobody will really make a big deal about it.
you're right, but does manatee know that?
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:06 am
by Miss Midnight
In post 1292, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 1290, Miss Midnight wrote: In post 1258, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 1157, Miss Midnight wrote:For the record, and it truly is for the record because the thread has probably moved past this discourse by now, none of my scumread on Thor was based on a "weird" playstyle or any of the random stats posts. It was primarily based off of the vote on Gamma, which I think was pretty heavily scummy. Don't think the stats posts themselves are scum indicative, but also they're not town indicative. Think the most revealing parts of Thor's ISO, as I've seen it from what I've read until, come from posts voting, discussing votes or talking about reads.
Why
was the vote on me scummy, and how does it alter your read of me?
I think that it was pretty clear from the beginning of your whole interaction with House that much of it was really about external stuff and not about in-game stuff. Not that I want to retread any of this, but House's vote on you especially seemed pretty explicitly to be non-game relevant. So Thor's following House onto a vote on you without any additional comment indicating some other reason for the vote or the timing is noteworthy in itself. We can speculate on the hypothetical motivation for a scum Thor, but the basic fact doesn't change that it doesn't seem especially town motivated to me.
Thor's vote on you there has no bearing on my read on you.
Okay
Why do you think Thor would have wanted to hop on me like that?
I'm not sure I see the relevance. I don't think that everything scum does has to be part of some scum plot or agenda. Think that this may have just been a not really thought through vote indicative of the underlying mindset, like I said.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:06 am
by House
In post 1294, Miss Midnight wrote: In post 1288, House wrote:She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.
Nobody really needs "excuses" to stop voting somewhere. You can just do it and probably nobody will really make a big deal about it.
Lol.
Considering how long and vocally she was pushing me, just hopping off with no comment would have been noticed.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:07 am
by Miss Midnight
I think you're overstating or overthinking your own importance/ the importance of events surrounding you when it comes to the thread at large. I think that this is probably town indicative.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:08 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1296, Miss Midnight wrote:I'm not sure I see the relevance. I don't think that everything scum does has to be part of some scum plot or agenda. Think that this may have just been a not really thought through vote indicative of the underlying mindset, like I said.
what alignment do you think scum!Thor would be more willing to hop on for bad reasons?