Mini #764: Notre Dame Mafia, Game Over


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Post Post #1300 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:31 am

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Rishi wrote:Didn't hit preview. To clarify, I'm willing to switch my vote to avoid a No Lynch. Again, probably goes without saying.
Please don't switch to ac1983fan.
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Post Post #1301 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:53 am

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To be consistent, AC should vote himself. He did the same for Ort, I feel if he is town he would make the same decision in similar circumstances.
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Post Post #1302 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:01 am

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Kinetic wrote:To be consistent, AC should vote himself. He did the same for Ort, I feel if he is town he would make the same decision in similar circumstances.
Self voting should never be done by a townie. While townies frequently self vote in newbie games, in a game of experienced players like we have here, it is at the very least an anti-town action, and at least a little scummy. It was part of the reason why I hammered ort. If I was scum, I would've already hammered. Of course, if I was scum, I wouldn't have been acting even remotely like I have been all game...
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Post Post #1303 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:12 am

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Way to overreact to an obvious joke post.
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Post Post #1304 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:44 am

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My vote has nothing to do with his post; I'm not overreacting, I see no strong emotions in that post.
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Post Post #1305 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:42 am

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Heck yeah that vote has to do with his post. Do I look like a fool to you?
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Post Post #1306 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:49 am

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seriously? Have you not seen my countless votes for Kinetic elsewhere? Have you not seen me calling him scummy all game?
Yes I think you're a fool.
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Post Post #1307 (ISO) » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:24 am

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^ad hom
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Post Post #1308 (ISO) » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:58 am

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Day Three: Vote Count #8


4 ac1983fan (AceMarksman, Kinetic, zwetschenwasser, PookyTheMagicalBear)

1 Kinetic (ac1983fan)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (DrippingGoofball)
1 zwetschenwasser (Rishi)

With
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alive, it takes
5
to lynch, and
3
to lynch at deadline. Deadline June 6, 9:59 pm CDT.

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Post Post #1309 (ISO) » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:16 am

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Kast, aren't you suspicious of somebody?
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Post Post #1310 (ISO) » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:37 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
Rishi wrote:Didn't hit preview. To clarify, I'm willing to switch my vote to avoid a No Lynch. Again, probably goes without saying.
Please don't switch to ac1983fan.
Do you think No Lynch is preferable to an acfan lynch? There's no viable counterwagon at this point.
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Post Post #1311 (ISO) » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:13 am

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@Zwet-
I'm most suspicious of PTMB's player spot atm. I don't like that he isn't answering about his card picks.
VOTE: PTMB


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Regardless of your vote, we are not going to have a no lynch. We only need 3 to lynch and there are 4 on ACFan.

Unless people who are voting ACFan change their votes, then that will be an inevitable lynch.
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Post Post #1312 (ISO) » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:23 pm

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Rishi wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Rishi wrote:Didn't hit preview. To clarify, I'm willing to switch my vote to avoid a No Lynch. Again, probably goes without saying.
Please don't switch to ac1983fan.
Do you think No Lynch is preferable to an acfan lynch? There's no viable counterwagon at this point.
Much as I love Pooky, I believe he IS a viable counterwagon.
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Post Post #1313 (ISO) » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:54 pm

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PTMB is only viable if someone on the ACFan wagon is willing to move.

Otherwise it will at best reach a tie and ties are "first come, first served".

It doesn't look like things are going to change.
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Post Post #1314 (ISO) » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:52 pm

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Yeah, even if I and rishi both switch to pooky, then I still get lynched, unless someone on my wagon hammers pooky.
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Post Post #1315 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:11 am

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GAH! Why is ac still alive?
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Post Post #1316 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:58 am

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the only thing i haven't answered is what card I picked on my first night.

I hardly see how the information is relevant as.

1) if I'm scum and I'm lying, you have no way to tell otherwise, so what the heck would the point be?

2) If I'm town and scum know i have something useful, wouldn't it be kinda dumb to let them know?(i.e. Pooky has a sanctuary, he hasn't used it yet, guess he's gonna use it tonight, we better not risk shooting him! or Pooky has a doctor and he's going to use it tonight, who would pooky protect? we better not shoot him!)

So my query to you kast is, why do you want information from me that is only useful to the scum team?
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Post Post #1317 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:04 am

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Kast wrote:PTMB is only viable if someone on the ACFan wagon is willing to move.

Otherwise it will at best reach a tie and ties are "first come, first served".

It doesn't look like things are going to change.
The issue I would have if we had two wagons come up to 4 is if both were townies (low chance I suppose, but still) scum won't have a preference.

The fact that ac is floating either means he's a townie with a 1-2 scum on him already and other townies are being cautious or he is scum and either his partner is already bussing or trying to start a counter wagon at this point.

Do you see any other possibility Kast at this point?
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Post Post #1318 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:00 am

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@PTMB-
Maybe you just don't understand how the game works.

Your cards from Draft #1 are all gone. You got to use 2 and now the last is trashed. We already know that you have both a 1/4 NK card and a Rat card. From Rishi's, Zwet's, and mod information, we can deduce that you picked the 1/4 NK card as your second pick.

Claiming will help us to better understand how your player slot chose to play. It gives us some concrete information about a player slot that has been dominated by silence, absence, and ridiculous, off-topic ramblings.

It also gives us the chance to catch you in a lie or force you to limit yourself to "townie" card picks.

We could also potentially have caught you in a lie by having Rishi verify your final card, but we can actually turn that around.

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What was the final card that you passed to PTMB?

@Kinetic-
I think that is a fair assessment.

The only thing I would chance is that if ACFan is scum, I think it is more likely that his partner is trying to start a counter wagon than that his partner is bussing.

The change of a single person away from ACFan would probably be sufficient to secure a lynch on another player.

If ACFan is scum, then I would suspect all players currently on his wagon are town.
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Post Post #1319 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:08 am

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@PTMB-
Specifically, if Rishi passed you a Rat, then I will be much less suspicious of you. I didn't want to state that out directly, but then again I also didn't want another player to verify your picking order; rather I would have preferred if you claimed without realizing that someone could hold you accountable to your claim.
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Post Post #1320 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:39 am

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Kast wrote:The only thing I would chance is that if ACFan is scum, I think it is more likely that his partner is trying to start a counter wagon than that his partner is bussing.

The change of a single person away from ACFan would probably be sufficient to secure a lynch on another player.
Hence why I'm not likely going to change my vote off AC at this time.
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Post Post #1321 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:24 am

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Kast wrote:The only thing I would chance is that if ACFan is scum, I think it is more likely that his partner is trying to start a counter wagon than that his partner is bussing.

The change of a single person away from ACFan would probably be sufficient to secure a lynch on another player.

If ACFan is scum, then I would suspect all players currently on his wagon are town.
That's a mighty convincing argument.

I await Pooky's response, and I may very well switch to acfan.
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Post Post #1322 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:57 am

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Anyone voting for pooky is taking scummy advantage of the mod error.
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Post Post #1323 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:10 am

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zwetschenwasser wrote:Anyone voting for pooky is taking scummy advantage of the mod error.
If we assume this is valid, the logical extension is that the mod error created a valid and objective reason for all players to vote for PTMB. This would mean that anyone who did not vote for PTMB prior to the mod error being revealed is probably PTMB's scum buddy.

It isn't actually valid.

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If you decided to hammer ACFan in response to my post, and ACFan flipped scum, I would not think that clears you as a townie.
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Post Post #1324 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:22 am

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Kast wrote:@DGB-
If you decided to hammer ACFan in response to my post, and ACFan flipped scum, I would not think that clears you as a townie.
Agreed.

Kast, do you also see the reasons why I cannot clear you either, and in fact if ac flips scum you'll be one of my prime suspects?
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