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Intresting.
I didn't die.
And Andrius didn't die.

Serious.

vezokpiraka wrote:Intresting.
I didn't die.
And Andrius didn't die.

unvote
vote andrius

Serious.

A. Why would you die? B. Andrius got BG'd, pay attention.
Methinks ooba recruited Friend last night. For in thread reasons, obviously.

I'm not a recruiter ..
I am a loose cannon and I killed zwet ..

gandalf5166 wrote:

vezokpiraka wrote:Intresting.
I didn't die.
And Andrius didn't die.

unvote
vote andrius

Serious.

A. Why would you die? B. Andrius got BG'd, pay attention.
Methinks ooba recruited Friend last night. For in thread reasons, obviously.

Methinks you might be right.

ooba wrote:I'm not a recruiter ..
I am a loose cannon and I killed zwet ..

Define 'loose cannon' there mr.

Lulz, forgot to

Oh. I am stupid.

Andrius didn't change alignment tonight.

ooba: Why would you kill Zwet? I know you said you suspected him yesterday, but could you explain again? Because I still don't get it; he seemed obvtown.

I'm not sure about ooba's claim; we assume there are at least 2 scum factions, so if the "scum can either recruit or kill" theory is right, then there's really no way to know if one or both of the kills last night was scum.

I'm a little confused about what happened with Dram and Andreus. If the scum can both kill and roleblock the same night, it would have made much more sense to roleblock Dramonic and kill Andreus, and then they'd probably be able to lynch dramonic today for "failing to protect Andreus" or whatever. My first though is to suspect Andreus a little more because of that, or else...perhaps one scum group killed Dramonic (or tried to kill Andreus and Dramonic stopped him, although the flavor dosn't really sound like that), and the other roleblocked Andreus? I still don't get why a cult group with a roleblocker would choose to do it that way, though.

So, possibilities I can think of:

1. Andreus is scum.
2. Scum group A roleblocekd Andreus, scum group B killed Dramonic.
3. Andreus didn't get roleblocked, which would probably make ooba untargatable. Considering ooba claimed, and isn't claming untargatable, this would probably make ooba scum.

Am I missing any other possibilities here? (Well, I guess other then "pro-town person roleblocked Andreus" or ""some kind of wacky redirection happened" or something, but those seem unlikely enough to not be worth considering.)

I think 3 is the one we're running with. And I don't think scum have a kill. I think that zwet and ooba might be the only killing roles in the game, which destroys my ooba recruiter theory, but doesn't say that ooba can't be scum.

Yosarian2 wrote:ooba: Why would you kill Zwet? I know you said you suspected him yesterday, but could you explain again? Because I still don't get it; he seemed obvtown.

Not to me he didn't ...

I'm not untargetable ..

ooba wrote:

Yosarian2 wrote:ooba: Why would you kill Zwet? I know you said you suspected him yesterday, but could you explain again? Because I still don't get it; he seemed obvtown.

Not to me he didn't ...

I'm not untargetable ..

This isn't an explanation, and you aren't helping your case.

Also, problem with my no mafiakill theory: zwet killed dram?

Yosarian2 wrote:So, possibilities I can think of:

1. Andreus is scum.
2. Scum group A roleblocekd Andreus, scum group B killed Dramonic.
3. Andreus didn't get roleblocked, which would probably make ooba untargatable. Considering ooba claimed, and isn't claming untargatable, this would probably make ooba scum.

It's either 1 or 3, and I believe Andrius over ooba for MILES, so I'm gonna go with it probably being option 3.

Time to lynch ooba, please.

Porochaz wrote:Best course of action for me at the moment would be to give day 1 another look. Only thats going to take a while to do that (between the length and the vast amount of crap).

I know I only quoted half of it, but that's where I am right now. If you guys have any questions for TL that I might be able to answer, feel free to ask. I'll try not to just sluff it off as "oh well, I can't speak for him," etc. I'm doing some ISO's of the mod (logistics), my predecessor (to see where he's coming from), and some of the higher votes (to see if I can find a pattern, etc). I'll try to get something up by tomorrow afternoon at the latest (I'm gone all afternoon/night due to band). Danke.

ReaperCharlie wrote:

Yosarian2 wrote:So, possibilities I can think of:

1. Andreus is scum.
2. Scum group A roleblocekd Andreus, scum group B killed Dramonic.
3. Andreus didn't get roleblocked, which would probably make ooba untargatable. Considering ooba claimed, and isn't claming untargatable, this would probably make ooba scum.

It's either 1 or 3, and I believe Andrius over ooba for MILES, so I'm gonna go with it probably being option 3.

Time to lynch ooba, please.

Zwet (or some other loose cannon) killed dram ..

A loose cannon is a one-shot limited vig/doublevoter ..
I have a bullet with me ..
If I shoot it at a player in the day, it becomes a double vote which cannot be changed ..
At night, I am one-shot vig ..

I decided to use my bullet yesterday night ..

vezokpiraka wrote:Oh. I am stupid.

unvote

You didn't have to tell us that...

One other relevent question I have.

He wasn't 100% explicit, but I had the very strong impression that yesterday TheLonging was claiming to be a one-shot vig and that he announced that he was going to kill Gandalf last night (who, obv, is still alive). I'm kind of doubting that there are 3 oro-town vigs in the game (Zwet, Ooba, and TheLonging), so this would be a good time for TheLonging to clarify his claim, and say who, if anyone, he shot last night; that would help us figure out what's going on here.

Setup spec:
- 2 Recruiters
- Investigative roles as town needs em to help against cult
+ Bunch of other roles which start out pro-town but help cult if recruited
-- Bodyguard (Can protect recruiter from vig)
-- Loose cannon (Vig can kill people who suspect recruiter; It is nerfed since it is one-shot)

ooba wrote:

ReaperCharlie wrote:

Yosarian2 wrote:So, possibilities I can think of:

1. Andreus is scum.
2. Scum group A roleblocekd Andreus, scum group B killed Dramonic.
3. Andreus didn't get roleblocked, which would probably make ooba untargatable. Considering ooba claimed, and isn't claming untargatable, this would probably make ooba scum.

It's either 1 or 3, and I believe Andrius over ooba for MILES, so I'm gonna go with it probably being option 3.

Time to lynch ooba, please.

Zwet (or some other loose cannon) killed dram ..

A loose cannon is a one-shot limited vig/doublevoter ..
I have a bullet with me ..
If I shoot it at a player in the day, it becomes a double vote which cannot be changed ..
At night, I am one-shot vig ..

I decided to use my bullet yesterday night ..

Yeaaaahhhh, I like how:

-You seem to know know the didn't kill dram.
-You killed ZWET, one of my top reads.
-You've been pretty useless throughout the game.

Die next, por favor.

Yosarian2 wrote:I'm kind of doubting that there are 3 pro-town vigs in the game

On second thought...there theoretically could be, in a multi-cult-recruiter game. It would make the game much more swingy and random, and I still don't think it's likely, but it's not impossible. I guess getting a counterclaim might be pointless here.

Looking back at Andreus's posts day 1, he did say that "something bad" would happen if he targeted the brothers. Did you ever get clarification on that? Could "not getting a result" (and the whole "getting suckerpunched" thing or whatever) be what the mod meant?

Also ooba, I think it's pretty darn obvious that Flay sprinkled roles throughout the game that could be useful to both town and scum, so you get a resounding ZERO usefulness points for your setup speculation.

ReaperCharlie wrote:-You seem to know know the

scum

didn't kill dram.
-You killed ZWET, one of my top

town

reads.
-You've been pretty useless throughout the game.

Die next, por favor.

- Your cult can recruit or kill theory is wrong
But lets assume your cult can kill or recruit theory is right, which is better - adding a person to my scum group hence increasing the clout of the group (or) kill someone ...
Recruiting is twice as useful as killing ..
- Irrelevant - he was not on my town reads
- So? I can name at least 2 other people who were more useless .. And how is that indicative of alignment?

RC is scum. I hope one of my loose cannon brothers kills you ..

ReaperCharlie wrote:Also ooba, I think it's pretty darn obvious that Flay sprinkled roles throughout the game that could be useful to both town and scum, so you get a resounding ZERO usefulness points for your setup speculation.

Really?
- I said "2 Recruiters" so I do not think they can kill. If they want kills, they need loose cannons
- Refutes points like "I do not think there will be x of such pro-town role in the game" ..

Yosarian2 wrote:

Yosarian2 wrote:I'm kind of doubting that there are 3 pro-town vigs in the game

On second thought...there theoretically could be, in a multi-cult-recruiter game. It would make the game much more swingy and random, and I still don't think it's likely, but it's not impossible. I guess getting a counterclaim might be pointless here.

Looking back at Andreus's posts day 1, he did say that "something bad" would happen if he targeted the brothers. Did you ever get clarification on that? Could "not getting a result" (and the whole "getting suckerpunched" thing or whatever) be what the mod meant?

No - The lack of a counterclaim confirms my kill ...

Only question you have to ask yourself is "Do you think I was recruited N0?" ..

You're stretching with the "something bad"="not getting a result" part ..

They found the loose cannon in you.