160 was cheeky.
So was
162.
In my experience, that kind of posting is more likely to come from scum than town. There's a difference between being sarcastic in an annoyed way, and being sarcastic in a knowing way. And when I say cheeky, I mean the latter.
Dunnstral wrote:I already gave some reasoning as to why I think he looks town
This, at the time of
180, is an absolute lie: not once in his iso did he give a reason for ploben to be town. He gave reasons why ploben wouldn't be scum, and those amounted to, "the ic claim was null". (Which, again, wasn't the real issue to be had with ploben in the first place.)
He was defending ploben, sure. But he never once gave a reason why ploben was town. Trying to call the fight townVtown was another thing which pegged me hard, especially when...
Chip you're that one town that just tunnels on something stupid all game long and ignores actual scummy stuff that's going on
...He tries to discredit Chip Butty.
ploben wrote:Meta is crap, whether you scum hunt with meta or use it as a defense. Players who are aware of meta can obviously change it to project whatever they want.
This in 230 would not itself be suspicious.
Except...remember
post 25?
ploben wrote:I'm assuming you find it scummy then so can you post links to games (completed of course) where you have seen this, called it out, and that player has flipped mafia?
^This is asking for meta. A different kind of meta, but meta all the same. So, ploben is applying a double-standard: in defense of himself, "give me meta to prove it!", while when someone gives meta defending themselves, "meta is worthless".
From that same post, we also get this:
We'll agree to disagree today.
...Which is treating karnos as town in spite of scumreading him.
The Mod wrote:karnos (5) - duppin, dunnstral, ploben, scott brosius, BTD6 (L-2)
I find it impossible that this wagon wouldn't have at least one, if not two, scum on it. In contrast,
Ploben (3) - florestan, karnos, chip butty
These three players are literally my strongest townreads. Ergo, the karnos wagon (which formed in response to the ploben wagon) is a counterwagon to ploben.
251 is also a classical scum attitude post. When I am scum, one of the largest problems I typically face is having my scumreads (who're town)...scumread each other. As town, this would make me reconsider my read, but as scum, I need to push them to further my scum wincon. And that's EXACTLY what ploben was doing with 251: saying both Chip Butty and karnos were scum, in spite of the sheer improbability of that being true.
Dunnstral's
263 showed continued buddying of Florestan as well.
The sideline commentary he makes in
263 about Shadow_step's Alpaca vote is incredibly suspicious, regardless of Kuroi's alignment.
He is also treating his main scumread, karnos, as if town in
268.
269 doesn't work from ploben, since by his own logic, "scum do whatever they can to win". His own words. The exact quote, and this is a QUOTE of
192, is:
ploben wrote:"Scum wouldn't do (insert behavior here)..." is a horrible line of reasoning.
So ploben is again being inconsistent.
272 has this gem from Dunnstral:
Dunnstral wrote:At the same time, you're not trying to collect more information, you're ignoring everyone but ploben unless you're attacked
For that, I'll again point to karnos's
274 as an apt description: Dunnstral had done absolutely nothing to collect more information at that stage in the game, and was ignoring everyone but the attacks on ploben.
I can repoint you to every post prior to 272 Dunnstral ever made to make a point of it, but scroll up from
this link to try for yourself.
And speaking of karnos,
275 was a valid point as well: Dunnstral's comment about the quicklynch read as dead serious. He then attempted to backtrack and claim he wasn't quite serious.
Notably, it wasn't until AFTER karnos called Dunnstral out that Dunnstral produced content on players.
Dunnstral finally describes his ploben read in that post,
276, but let's take a look at it, shall we?
Dunnstral wrote:Overall I think this is just a towny post
Claimed a post was town, gave no reason. Except, of course, the smalltext "ploben agrees with me".
This doesn't look like a partner interaction to me at all
This relies on karnos being scum.
Don't care for this though to be honest...
Doesn't care for ^this line, in spite of him doing literally the same thing by the way.
It's good that somebodies paying attention to Florestan
"ploben agrees with me"
Oh yeah my top two scum reads are both voting ploben. Don't think this is bussing looks more like strongarming a mislynch.
"I don't like the wagon".
The strongest of these points? "Ploben agrees with me" (this, by itself, wouldn't be an issue, but it's Dunnstral's later posting regarding that which is) and this:
Overall towny tone and responses I'd say
A vague statement he doesn't back up.
Also worth noting: Dunnstral had one townread (Chip Butty), two scum reads (karnos and Florestan), one nulltownread (duppin), aside from ploben. A grand total of two townreads.
My first hint for PantherPunt being scum, by the way, comes in before PantherPunt joins the game:
296 is
extremely
out of place.
302 dismissess karnos as not bringing anything to the table, serving as a discredit of him, while also treating him as if he were town.
And this is where PantherPunt comes in.
Since that was a major change in the game, this marks the end of part two.
Unfortunately, it did get late, so I'll probably have to wait until tomorrow to finish these cases.
Just when I was getting to the good part, too. :(
. But I think you were there long enough for my fake cop claim complete with "I dunno why mox forgot to send an order n2" 
not sure if u read the rest of it though. Still my most fun wolfing ever, though lords graveyard meltdown in fruit salad was pretty good too.
