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[Taly]

Some Recommended Shots That Are Possible;
May Add Or Remove From This List Based on Rereads/Responses

Toranga

1)

1063 Opening post had no substance and made no sense given the game.

2)

He's formed, maybe 2 reads out of 22 of his posts.

3)

Most of his ISO consists of

"these many are dead" / "is this how many players we have"

4)

Went from killing

random

with little reason to casting suspicion on

Theta

and kind of backtracks on his sentiment and thought behind killing

random

. 1134

Lovebird

1)

Shot obvtown in 140 without much thought. Literally put an argument against me and then shot

Ankamius

for conflicting with her read? Even after her shot there, she never really engaged with me or elaborated on a read revolving me. 94, 97

2)

947 gave up mostly through this day.

3)

948 to 952 are nothing but say that

Chick

is scum for little to no reason.

4)

958 seems like survivalistic posting, given they aren't making any attempt to push their reads or ideas. They mostly just shade others while ignoring any attempt to townbloc.

Can someone explain the

Iconeum

shot again? There's literally no substance in their ISO, which I do think is likely scum and wouldn't mind a shot... but that's the most notable thing about it.

...Still want the

Davsto

-shot desire to be explained as well...

Theta

can join the townbloc and if there's any associative I can draw from

Not_Mafia

, it might be

Gammagooey

, but it's largely gut and I don't want a shot there solely based on that this late in the game.

[Taly]

Actually, I 100% give a shit about this game again. ^_^

Thanks for the motivational speech,

MoI

!

What a towny thing to do.

[the worst]

Anka's dying words were literally about how she locktowned Lovebird iirc
But Lovebird is good scum

this is actually maybe something I've overlooked

[MagnaofIllusion]

I've stated the person I'd shoot, I don't have a strong idea of how many scum we would have at this point, I know I'm probably townreading scum, and I'll be most grounded with my reads starting D2 after there are NK flips and I can reevaluate interactions in D1.

Taly that's a ton of effort. Grade A and hats off.

But the above quote just turns to me and says "For a mutliball game this person who supposedly is Captain Town seems surprisingly sure he'll be alive tomorrow" and gives me this look ...

[Taly]

Anka's dying words were literally about how she locktowned Lovebird iirc
But Lovebird is good scum

this is actually maybe something I've overlooked

Then ISO

Lovebird

and tell me what you think.

Their

"Mother's Day"

post was sympathetic and I believe it's outside-game genuine; but in-game, it reads as a prodge.

I've stated the person I'd shoot, I don't have a strong idea of how many scum we would have at this point, I know I'm probably townreading scum, and I'll be most grounded with my reads starting D2 after there are NK flips and I can reevaluate interactions in D1.

Taly that's a ton of effort. Grade A and hats off.

But the above quote just turns to me and says "For a mutliball game this person who supposedly is Captain Town seems surprisingly sure he'll be alive tomorrow" and gives me this look ...

If you read my posts you'd know I have 0 confidence in whether I'm alive tomorrow or not.

I think I've pushed several people in this game right now, and I think my reads range from being spot-on to sucking horribly overall.

I don't give a damn about what people think of my reads if they're not going to engage with me on them.

And I'm not trying to be

"Captain Town"

, I never really have. I'm working to kill both scum factions, but apparently my approach for the entirety of this dayphase has been borderline useless and shitty given how many town have died versus scum.

I literally want scum to NK me, and I honestly suspect

ANYONE

who continually casts WIFOM on me for saying this.

[wingedcatgirl]

There is no reason Town WCG thinks she is going to be shot immediately Day 2 unless she's planning to NOT shoot public enemy number 1.

............................................. I'm sorry, are you trying to suggest I should shoot

myself

?

[wingedcatgirl]

I've lost the ability to care about this game, I'm just trying not to make things unnecessarily worse for town with my last action.

Maybe I should just

not

shoot?

[wingedcatgirl]

But if I'm dead, nobody with poor impulse control (or an anti-town wincon) will be able to spend their bullet on me.

[wingedcatgirl]

... Oh, oops, I skipped a step. Imagine there's a post 1306.5 that reads "or maybe I

should

shoot myself".

[Taly]

I think if I have enough accuracy in my scumreads and who I want shot, I'll be targeted by scum in some form.

So I'm throwing all my shit and thoughts out in the open.

And if I'm going to be a centerpoint of conversation between people's reads, it's not going to fucking be:

"

Taly

might be this."
"Why did

Taly

do that?"
"Not sure about

Taly

"

Because that's literally how I've read some of the past few comments on me, and the more waffling/uncertainty in the gamethread right now, the more scum will benefit.

And I'm pretty tired about being WIFOMed late-game as town when most people don't directly engage with me.

I've lost the ability to care about this game, I'm just trying not to make things unnecessarily worse for town with my last action.

Maybe I should just

not

shoot?

I don't see the point in not shooting unless you genuinely have no confidence in any reads right now.

Do you have any thoughts or significant notes about a slot?

[Austerity]

I don't think anyone disagrees that Iconeum is a good shot.

Just shoot him so we can end the day.

[Austerity]

Also wingedcatgirl is pretty close to obvtown for me.

People keep saying she's scum and/or getting annoyed at her (not a good thing when everyone is a dayvig) for not shooting and yet she still hasn't shot... she's had approximately a bajillion chances to stop receiving so much attention and she hasn't taken any of them.

[Taly]

I don't think anyone disagrees that Iconeum is a good shot.

Just shoot him so we can end the day.

Nobody contested to a

Chickadee

shot.

She flipped town.

Nobody contested to a

Screen

shot.

He flipped town.

Nobody contested to a

random

shot.

He flipped town.

Nobody contested to most of the town shots.

We are not ending the day just because someone says

"nobody disagrees here"

Either you provide reasoning and support a shot being made, or you don't just say

"let's just kill here"

because of apathy.

We've had 25 flips.

I don't disagree with an Iconeum shot, but I asked for reasons over a shot on him by people wanting him shot and I'd prefer to see it before the day ends.

[Austerity]

Discounting the Chickadee shot because I don't think that was as widely discussed as the others, those were not bad shots. They were on players who would never have been allowed to live to endgame anyway.

Of the players alive, Iconeum is universally near the top of the list for those who people do not think should live to endgame.

Thus, even if town, he is not a bad shot.

[Austerity]

Also, it sounds to me like you DO disagree with an Iconeum shot; since you don't want someone to be shot without more solid reasoning and you clearly don't see any solid reasoning on him. (I disagree that "nobody is opposed" is not a solid reason, but whatever.) Why did you say you DON'T disagree with the shot then?

[Vaxkiller]

I like that there is disagreement and hesitation here! Makes me feel like we got a live one!

[Austerity]

What's that supposed to mean?

[wingedcatgirl]

I'm not sure it means anything, I think he just wants to keep the thread moving so I don't vanish for another seven hours.

[wingedcatgirl]

(To be clear: I have absolutely no intent of vanishing for another seven hours.)

[Austerity]

Do you know where your head is at with regards to who you want to shoot?

[wingedcatgirl]

I'm gonna use my shot before I go to sleep. On the floor if I have to. (Er, the shot, not the sleeping - or more precisely, yes that too but it's neither likely nor relevant to the game.)

But I'm suddenly considering a different target. This is probably a bad idea, but I've spent the past week posting nothing but bad ideas in this thread.

[the worst]

just talk thru anything you need feedback on. the power is yours, just don't fall for the vigilante trap (getting paranoid and shooting an obvtown player on a whim)

[wingedcatgirl]

I mean - Ico still seems a better shot than the floor, even now. The actual point of that statement being that I'd rather waste my shot than pointlessly drag the day out even further.

[Lovebird]

Lovebird

1)

Shot obvtown in 140 without much thought.

Lol. Unbelievably wrong.

[Taly]

Also, it sounds to me like you DO disagree with an Iconeum shot; since you don't want someone to be shot without more solid reasoning and you clearly don't see any solid reasoning on him. (I disagree that "nobody is opposed" is not a solid reason, but whatever.) Why did you say you DON'T disagree with the shot then?

I've

ALWAYS

wanted clear solid reasoning between shots in this game, I've stressed that from my first post.

It's just pretty obvious that's not happened in this thread, and look where that's gotten us. Now that people are more willing to discuss reads and shots, now is a

VITAL

time to bring up any reasons for or against a shot behind someone.

Apathetic shooting is no different than random shooting.

I do see the likelihood that

Iconeum

is scum, I just haven't found a lot of reasoning that explicitly points to that. I've stated multiple reasons behind my recommended shots and nobody's given a major opinion about them. I'd rather see people actually state their thoughts behind someone-scum versus

"yeah, I want him to die"

And this sentiment is not exclusive to him, I'd also like a reason behind a

Davtso

shot, and anything that would lead to someone wanting another person getting killed off.