Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[the worst]

VOTE: Dr. Jekyll
Bbl. sorry lovelies.
<3

[Eragon]

uhh have people counted votes?

[the worst]

narp

[Eragon]

ok i think there are 3 votes

keyser, volxen, and tw.

meaning 3/8, meaning 1 left until majority amirite?

someone should unvote to make sure they can still post their catchup

[the worst]

5 is maj in 8p

[Eragon]

welp nvm then carry on

[Keyser Söze]

[Keyser Söze]

Simply*

[the worst]

I'm just concerned kor is bullshitting (obviously) abt his 300k post catchup but like... We all know thqt

he's literally off the race of the planet tho poor kid so activity reads are moot af. I'm just curious he felt the need to make it up to compensate for his absence.

[Eragon]

[Eragon]

I'm just concerned kor is bullshitting (obviously) abt his 300k post catchup but like... We all know thqt

he's literally off the race of the planet tho poor kid so activity reads are moot af. I'm just curious he felt the need to make it up to compensate for his absence.

didn't he show us a picture??

[Eragon]

I am finally back, I just literally read through like 30+ pages in two hours.
I'll be working on my catchup... I had to split it into 8 posts in the hydra PT because 1) There's a smiley limit of 30, and 2) there's a character limit of 3 million, which I broke, by a lot.



I hate everything atm, however, expect a catchup sometime soon, if I don't die writing it.

-Kor

[the worst]

Eragon my dear somehow you get even funnier when you're serious

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Yeah, part of its in the hydra pt, but the quotes are broken and its basically unreadable thus he started again

Hoping he gets here soon

[Keyser Söze]

Plus they neighbourized me N1 - I can confirm their 300k catchup post.

[the worst]

Can you throw some korina goodness at us Lcp? Idrm if it's unreadable. It's a necessity for my townread and sustained mental health.

[Eragon]

Eragon my dear somehow you get even funnier when you're serious

Spoiler:

[the worst]

Also just gonna note I won't heavily criticise it if it's partial--Korina's moods change like the wind esp. as town so I'm kinda prepared for something pretty wild.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Shall I post verbatim what he posted in the pt?

since he started again he mightn't have the same opinions, etc now esp since its about 3 days old

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

It will be hard to tell who wrote what here since the quotes are messed up. Maybe I should post the non messed up bits

[the worst]

Yes please.

[the worst]

Just as much spew as possible -- I know it'll be erratic and superseded!

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Someone said spew?

Spoiler:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/0f/71 ... f1b331.jpg

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Someone said spew?

Spoiler:

Link corrected...

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Spoiler:

Did you know?

Lions and tigers can crossbreed to create a species known as Ligers..

Votecount 1.03

the worst (3) - LabRat01, Keyser Soze, Irrelephant

Keyser Söze (2) - Lefty, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
Carmen (1) - LabRat01,
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
LabRat01 (1) - the worst
Not Voting - Creature, volxen,

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum among [TW, Rat, Keyser, and Rel]. I don't think it's that likely that TW, as town, would get up to L-2 so quickly on the second day of day one with no scum involvement.

I don't think TW and Rat are scum together, with them cross voting each other, and with TW's detailed casing of Rat. It seems really unnecessary for them to try to mutually distance themselves and start wagons against each other this early on day one if they are scumbuddies.

I do wish TW would case Keyser to the same degree that he has cased Rat, but he seems to want to hold back on this for some reason.

Out of [TW, Rat], Rat definitely has far more scum equity in my opinion. TW's casing of Rat felt genuine, whereas Rat's interactions with others came off as scummy to me. For example:

wanna check it for me?

Nah, it's not there.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?

ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious

I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so

and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone

I don't think Rat really had a good reason for "seriously" voting Carmen here, and she did say that the vote was "half-serious".

how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way

OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.

Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

Why did Rat make such a big deal about this? All TW did was ask Lefty what he thought of Keyser's entrance -- I don't see how that's really LAMIST, which is what Rat seems to be implying here. Yes everyone should be sorting players and coming up with their own reads, but there is nothing wrong with asking player X what they think about player Y, as long as you are still sorting everyone else in addition to that. Rat seems to be suggesting that TW want's other people to sort Keyser for him so he doesn't have to do the work of sorting Keyser himself, which I don't think is accurate at all. She is also suggesting here that TW's motivation in asking the question was to appear LAMIST, as opposed to him actually wanting to know what Lefty thought of Keyser's entrance.

What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?

You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write

anything

that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.

Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here

Again, here Rat is criticizing someone for asking a question regarding Keyser. I don't think her criticism of Lefty was really warranted here -- he asks a question about Keyser, and she insinuates that his reason for asking the question was to appear like he was doing something, as opposed to it being a question he genuinely wanted answered. In other words, she is again suggesting that the motivation behind the question was to purposefully appear LAMIST, as opposed to it just being a question that Lefty wanted answered. It's just odd that on two different occasions, two different people ask a question about Keyser, and Rat attacks (unreasonably IMO) both TW and Lefty for asking their respective questions about Keyser. I would think town!Rat would understand that this game isn't just about everyone forming their own reads in isolation and then presenting their readslist to the rest of the group, but it's largely a game that involves interacting with everyone else to understand their motivations, which includes asking players questions such as, "what did you think about X from player Y?" The fact that Rat's initial reaction to both questions about Keyser was to immediately label them as attempts to be LAMIST rather than as genuine questions that were asked to gather information to help gamesolve, seems much more likely to come from scum than town.

VOTE: LabRat01

My first thought is I caught scum!tw from Presidents but my second thought is that I could maybe come around
Convince me lab is scum (that was your takeaway, yes?)
Oh and creature, talk to me more on that slot @tw

Just gonna put my honest thoughts on paper, after sleeping on it:

TW entered the game scummy/‘different’

Re-entered thread (with 3 votes on them) as a man possessed. Very sure of town-Dr J, and very sure of scum-Rat. It was just the degree/intensity of the reads that I found off.

Yes, town are allowed to change their reads but their whole nature and perspective changed about RVS.

[Wearing my tin foil hat, TW came back into the thread to bus his teammate.]

However, if I am wrong about TW, TW has still presented a passionate case on Lab which I think I am willing to vote. Let’s see Rat come back into the thread first though because based on her last posts she looked defeated and exhausted.

Meanwhile, Volxen our old friend (Hiya!) has entered the thread instantly stating there is one scum in Player W, X,Y,Z by looking at a single early D1 wagon. This is definitely more of a confident and composed Volxen than we last saw from our previous game.

Has Lab limped our the thread and posted in the scum PT to be bussed? Or has TW and Volxen simply found scum? Something doesn’t feel right here.

Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly

And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?

Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly

And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?

this is too much goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK

Also I'd probably rave a lot during RVS like I did when I entered this thread.

Hey, @Keyser who would you lynch rn?

If you’d asked me 24 hours ago... TW, but I wouldn’t kill anyone right now.


I’m currently re-reading the game... currently on page 9...

I still like you versus DrJ as TvT.. (did you say my early analysis could have been replicated by a 5 year old?! I didn’t fully grasp that the first time round )

Don’t like Creature’s entrance. So many posts, but they’re hitting no targets. Is he performing an act to think we’ll t/read him? It’s not working.

I’ll continue.

oh, sorry

but a lot has happened, so I didn't really think it would remain unchanged
what do you think of TW's reads on the hydra slot? Like, I could omit the reads on me cuz I'm not actually sure if he couldn't be bullshitting that, but I think his TR on LCpl looked honest.

and no, the 5-year old wasn't about you, but it was about left asking about sth really goofy that even a newb would be able to fake. And I thought it was weird because it's kinda clear that you're not a newb

and idak what to think about creat... I mean, I've played with him once and I remembered him being as shitty as he's in here. Everyone was TRing him for some reason, which I absolutely couldn't understand and he was town after all, but I was heavily SRing him in there and I'm kiiiind of tempted to do it in here?
kiiiind of but not really?
idk, my reads often just suck

RE: Creature
Yeah, I’d be hesitant to lynch Creature D1, as someone said town-Creature clears himself later on..? Plus, I’m sure I’ve played with him before and inccorectly read him... may dig that game out, feels years old though. He is in no way near my ‘destined for heaven’ pile though right now.


Re: TW, yesterday and this morning I really didn’t like how TW went so intense with that t/read on DrJ. In a kind of ‘he already knows he’s town so he’s gonna t/read hard every single post of his even though the post was hardly AI’.

I had a great problem coming to my eventual town lean on Dr J, so maybe I’m projecting my bias here. Maybe.

Tonight, I’m trying to relax and see if I overreacted.

RE: Creature
Yeah, I’d be hesitant to lynch Creature D1, as someone said town-Creature clears himself later on..? Plus, I’m sure I’ve played with him before and inccorectly read him... may dig that game out, feels years old though. He is in no way near my ‘destined for heaven’ pile though right now.


Re: TW, yesterday and this morning I really didn’t like how TW went so intense with that t/read on DrJ. In a kind of ‘he already knows he’s town so he’s gonna t/read hard every single post of his even though the post was hardly AI’.

I had a great problem coming to my eventual town lean on Dr J, so maybe I’m projecting my bias here. Maybe.

Tonight, I’m trying to relax and see if I overreacted.

if you compare this game to LCpl's last scum one, he's clearly better and less LAMIST here than there
This game was LCpl's first game in here and besides that and the purgatory game rn, I think he only joined 1 game till now (which is still on-going)
anyways, he wouldn't have had a lot of time to change his scum meta so I think the clear change a fairly good town indicator
TW seemed to have noticed that cuz he did mention stuff about their meta before

Korina is bad, but he's always bad... besides this one game I've read, I've also half-read another game in which he was town and he was just as misguided and weird as he is in here
I would have been SRing him in both btw...
He also wrote some stuff about how he hates players meta-reading him
and in the latest game he wrote sth about "trying to be active and act active and "obv-town" in their last scum game on discord", so if anything, I find it weird how happy he was to provide me with examples of him describing his scum meta instead of actual games
It felt as if he suddenly changed his opinion about meta-reads and wanted me to read him based on it


but still, that's not a strong read and it's not actually that much more likely for scum him to say that rather than town him
If he's really forcing himself to act "obv-town", just don't send him to heaven so that he has to fake it through the whole game. If he's scum, he'll fail at some point
and I still think that LCpl is fairly townie. Just look at his previous game and you'll see the difference, it's rather obvious

uhh... I started ranting again and I forgot what point I was trying to make

idk, TW's posts about DrJ's meta-bias pinged townie and I really liked the enthusiasm in some of his posts
That's not the most brilliant read ever, but it's still not sth I'd want to lynch rn
(I don't actually know how TW plays though, sooo I guess he could still be faking it?
or he could not be faking it and just simply, strongly TRing town for no reason as scum.
Like, still, it's ok for now imo
idk)

Korina is bad, but he's always bad... besides this one game I've read, I've also half-read another game in which he was town and he was just as misguided and weird as he is in here
I would have been SRing him in both btw...
He also wrote some stuff about how he hates players meta-reading him
and in the latest game he wrote sth about "trying to be active and act active and "obv-town" in their last scum game on discord",

so if anything, I find it weird how happy he was to provide me with examples of him describing his scum meta instead of actual games

It felt as if he suddenly changed his opinion about meta-reads and wanted me to read him based on it

I'm here for a moment, however, re:bolded:
Nice misrep. Literally I've played a total of three scum games, the first one, I actually linked, (firefighter blitz). The second one, I replaced out of, so you really can't get a meta-read on, (noir). The third one hardly classifies as a game in the first place because it was so short, (vengeful).

If you actually looked at the links, you'd have seen that the first one was me linking to a scum game, the rest were times I described my scum meta.

Also, re:Soze
I'm currently still trying to read back and form reads apart from initial reactions.
I think we both currently agree that Lab is scum though.

-Kor

I haven't looked at the links yet. I'm planning to, but just didn't feel like doing it today

Literally go look at my wiki page, and you can find one, like this one. You can also see me describe my own meta, here, here and here. Read these please, they'll help you sort me better.

this is the post where you linked your scum games. While you did say about your wiki and linked me to one game, you must have taken more time to look up the quotes where you describe your meta. (didn't look at it either and tbh I'm not planning to, because it's kind of worthless if you're actively trying to change it)
I do think that you doing that is a bit off compared to what I've seen you do in the previous games, but I don't find it very important.

@volxen putting associations, VCA and scum partner theories aside, are you t/reading the worst independently?

I don't feel comfortable giving TW a townread yet, no. I do think he made a good case against Rat, especially in post 297, and I do find Rat to have the most scum equity at the moment, but I'm not ready to write off TW as town yet either.

Where I am currently at is I find Dr. J to be the most towny player and Rat to be the most scummy player. I'm still kind of unsure on everyone else.

@Keyser, I am starting to get concerned that if Rat is scum, you could be one of her partners. As I pointed out earlier, it was just odd how quick she was to attack two different people for asking, in my opinion, completely legitimate questions about your slot. If she is scum it's possible that she is simply buddying/defending town!Keyser, but the way she wanted to shut down both questions about Keyser's slot could be indicative of SvS interactions. Keyser, if Rat is scum, why is TW more likely to be one of her partners than you?

But in any case, do you really think TW would gambit as scum and try to get his one of his scumbuddies sent to hell on day one? I would consider that quite a risky gambit because if he does that, then the only way he could win as scum is if both he and his remaining scumbuddy get sent to Heaven. So unless he's convinced that both he and his other scumbuddy could get a lot of towncredit for busing Rat, it seems like quite a risky play to open on day one by busing one of his partners in a game mode that, in my opinion, heavily discourages busing.

This post is so so towny
god if I'm misreading volxen here I'm going to feel dumb as shit postgame

new rule: we powerlynch the next person to say "LAMIST"
it should be outlawed

just musing bc i've got to the top of this page:

there is a world where i'm wrong on labby
i don't think i'm wrong on creature and i think keyser is more likely scum than labby if i'm wrong on them being s/s

the language around "if labby flips red..." and the fact keyser appears to be JUMPING INTO their associatives so heavily pings agenda-ey, but feels anti-s/s. at the same time i think keyser knows that this kind of behaviour doesn't look like s/s so i feel like he might even do it as s/s? i need to have a better think abt this but like i'm vibing

hell: Creature unless he towns, Keyser
heaven: volxen, DrJ, maybe me

what's your read on keyser, labby?

I don't really have a read on him rn, most of his posts are tonally composed and he doesn't show many emotions besides those few posts where he seemed surprised for you SRing him and the happiness/jokiness from time to time. Like, I don't think I can read that. I'd probably need to read some of his games (or at least the ISOs) to check if he's normally that reactionless as now, but for now meh.

If there's anything I could said to have pinged me, it would be his suggestion to "never lynch him to heaven if I flip scum". Like, that was just bad and I don't get his reasoning for thinking that "the martyrs would have obviously lynched him",
Kind of seemed like a cheap excuse, but again, I don't think I'm able to tell if he really forgot about the judgment day mechanics or not so it's not a read I value strongly

idk, honestly, I've been kind of flaking with reading him, but I'll prob have to change that when I can along with my other bad reads on the nuller half of the playerlist

nnnnnnnnnhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

VOTE: Keyser
sorry my love</3

You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?

why is this so ridiculous...?
the reason chainsawing is a scumtell is that inexperienced scum players tend to do it unintentionally

I was just being OMGUS’y against you and Volxen it seems......... unwilling to accept being scum read unjustly.

[In truth though, in that scenario, ‘scum-LabRat’ was using me as a springboard to attack ‘townies’ for questioning me (who she knows is town).]

Obviously, I’m terribly wrong about everyone.

Let’s kill LabRat then “town”.

VOTE: LabRat

@TW, what do you think about this? Keyser is essentially saying that if Rat is scum, she is buddying/defending him in a similar manner to how I buddied/defended Keyser as scum in Watcher Wanted (link for anyone interested to that game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77119). As you, Irrelephant, and Keyser will all recall, as scum in that game most of my ISO revolved around Keyser, and I chainsaw defended him by attacking people who attacked him (e.g., 2.781/Huntress). To quote Keyser, my strategy as scum in that game was to use Keyser as a springboard to attack and scumpaint any townies who attacked him. Keyser is claiming that may be happening again in this game, except this time it is Rat who is buddying/defending him.

Do you think that is likely to be going on here -- do you think town!Keyser is being buddied/defended by scum!Rat? Does Rat's treatment of Keyser's slot seem similar to how I treated Keyser in Watcher Wanted, where Keyser was town and I was scum? Or do you think the interactions between Rat and Keyser are more likely SvS?

@TW, what do you think about this? Keyser is essentially saying that if Rat is scum, she is buddying/defending him in a similar manner to how I buddied/defended Keyser as scum in Watcher Wanted (link for anyone interested to that game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77119). As you, Irrelephant, and Keyser will all recall, as scum in that game most of my ISO revolved around Keyser, and I chainsaw defended him by attacking people who attacked him (e.g., 2.781/Huntress). To quote Keyser, my strategy as scum in that game was to use Keyser as a springboard to attack and scumpaint any townies who attacked him. Keyser is claiming that may be happening again in this game, except this time it is Rat who is buddying/defending him.

Do you think that is likely to be going on here -- do you think town!Keyser is being buddied/defended by scum!Rat? Does Rat's treatment of Keyser's slot seem similar to how I treated Keyser in Watcher Wanted, where Keyser was town and I was scum? Or do you think the interactions between Rat and Keyser are more likely SvS?

In short:

most likely: SvS
second most likely: town!labby / scum!Keyser
then: scum!labby / town!keyser
probably never: TvT

G

Thanks DrJ. That's exactly what I've been peddling and it's been driving me mad that no one else has been seeing it.

I'll EoD compromise lynch creature but I feel like we win more often by lynching a more contentious slot d1 and blasting him d3 if that makes sense?

Mafia Role PM

Spoiler:

You are a

Goon

(aligned with the town).

Your teammates are: […]
You can talk to them at any time on the mafia chat. [Link]

Each phase you may vote a player in order to send them to Heaven or Hell.

You win when majority of the Mafia is sent to Heaven.
You lose when majority of the Mafia is sent to Hell.

[link] to the game thread.

btw

@manatee

, just noticed that you put "aligned with the

town

" in the example mafia role-card

lmao

you can be town

I'm not gonna answer the questions, I answered before.
just no, I've had enough
sorry

and I'm not gonna answer the bullshit ones

you can listen to that instead

???

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with the worst

Who did you roll scum with?

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

You're probably only right on TW.

(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line.

Well except for Carmen’s single post

).

Which I read town for some reason

My first thought is I caught scum!tw from Presidents but my second thought is that I could maybe come around
Oh and creature, talk to me more on that slot @tw

He did enough for me to hesitate on

Think this is the only analytical content so far
Rest is gamestate fluffing and stuff he doesn't do as scum and stuff he'll do later

He's 80% scum but if he's town he's right in saying it's more obvious later

because he rolled scum but not with you?

g r o o a n

my reservation is I have some spicy tells on keyser which I believe are working really well. as soon as I name them I become unable to use them again

are you sure you can't take my word for it or read it from his content?

It's easy for scum to invent their own meta.

Yet you think I'm on my old scum meta.

Also I don't think you'll bother to find actually good meta tells for me, so I have to do it for you.

Why are you guys so towny?

Specially in a game with a low number of players and even lower number of readable players and even lower number of interesting posts to comment on.

yeah but normally your ISO feels like you give a fuck about solving the game

I usually value realtime interactions first.

Why are these real time interactions so wolfy then?

because you're too impatient and want my reads immediatelly.

I don't feel like calling someone town or scum when it's basically gun-to-my-head.

If you feel like you're too heavily under pressure here step back. Neither me nor DrJ are getting anything from talking in circles with you. Go back and solve this sucker and give us something wild.

Nah, I want to see who will hop into this thread.

I'm actually enjoying the spam.

Why isn’t your vote on LabRat or me (you said it was “probably never” that we were both town).



I personally don’t like TW jumping on the Creature wagon - Creature, a slot who will never shine in the classic sense like a townie (playstyle) like me. Suddenly Creature is the easy “EoD compromise lynch”. I’d prefer TW to present his full Keyser case D1 and expand on his original heavy case on LabRat:

Creature man why can't you just bus like a normal cheeky scumfuck? You're making this too obvious

I don’t like this - it’s keeping pressure on Creature but with nothing constructive to add.

Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly

Another post like this.
Why isn’t TW voting LabRat if he believed this?

just musing bc i've got to the top of this page:

there is a world where i'm wrong on labby
i don't think i'm wrong on creature and i think keyser is more likely scum than labby if i'm wrong on them being s/s

the language around "if labby flips red..." and the fact keyser appears to be JUMPING INTO their associatives so heavily pings agenda-ey, but feels anti-s/s. at the same time i think keyser knows that this kind of behaviour doesn't look like s/s so i feel like he might even do it as s/s? i need to have a better think abt this but like i'm vibing

hell: Creature unless he towns, Keyser
heaven: volxen, DrJ, maybe me

LabRat isn’t even in TW’s hell group now, just a name he keeps bumping and connecting to players.

Conclusion: something seriously stinks between the TW-LabRat dynamic.

Oh, and don’t like TW’s buddying/whiteknighting of Dr J.

Keyser my reads have progressed from

{Keyser}
{Lab, Creature}

to

{Lab}
{Keyser, Creature}

and I have communicated such constantly. Your meta on Creature is a joke. You're not making any effort to actually sort him via meta and you ignored my reach out about whether you were actually seeing similarities/differences between this game and the game you linked.

What part of my trajectory haven't I been clear on? I think I am wrong on scum!Lab before I'm wrong on scum!Creature. I think you have higher scum equity than Lab. Your eagerness to have Lab lynched and..... what, trying to coerce me into voting her? Shading me for not voting her? Is a trainwreck.

If you're town get your act together gorgeous. You don't scumread me here, and the fact you're cherry picking posts out of my iso and ignoring my overwhelmingly transparent trajectory proves that.

1) I want Creature lynched today, we can lynch his buddy next hell phase
2) why are you mislynchable? This list should be able to read you fairly well if you're town I would think?
3) I'm linking you to Creature more strongly than LabRat. your associatives with Labby can easily be mistaken (just your recent posts feel very agenda-driven around hard-pushing for her lynch ://)
4) that's an holistic statement and is probably not super relevant atm anyway
5) how so? what do you think my agenda is here other than sorting players and nuking teh scumz?

Ok, let’s stop talking about you (but Volxen and I are still waiting for the full case on me before D2).

Can you give me a summary case of Creature.


From my experience with town-Creature:
- his spam will always outweigh his content
- he’ll never LAMIST/try to convey super-Townie
- he’ll project that he’s not bothered about being s/read
- antagonise players s/reading him
- not explain every one of his votes in great detail
- his read trajectory won’t be explicit and supported

I would usually s/read other players for being guilty for some of these, but Creature does these as town.


You said my “meta on Creature is a joke”. If so, you think Creature is obv-scumming right now?

Please present why Creature is scum (via meta) in a summary paragraph so that we can send him to hell.

page 23 is where I left off.