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"Throne of Execution"

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Decision 1.9

Galron [6]:

skitter30, Dwlee99, Ydrasse, Infinity 324, petapan, SirCakez

Gamma Emerald [5]:

Cephrir, PookyTheMagicalBear, Saber, ulyana, Dunnstral

Dunnstral [2]:

Gamma Emerald, Toogeloo

Not Voting [3]:

Taly, Galron, Gypyx

With 16 contestants remaining, it takes 9 votes to place a player in the chair. If deadline is reached, plurality is in effect.

The deadline for this decision is in:

(expired on 2021-10-12 01:43:44)

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basically, the prism / gamma kerfuffle was kinda weird to me due to the fact that every other decision slowed down quite a lot at the time, which makes me think scum were prolly benefitting from it in one way or another

you're not the only one who did this obviously, but that's still something nitable in my eyes

with that said i'm like on page 35 so i'll try to get done with it, just a few mid read proddings too
-> if the ceph SRs aren't around anymore : why

-> if the ceph SRs are still around, could y'all explain the meta there?

on top of that Toog seems really lackluster so i think it might be town indicative

pedit : answer to 1299

My Cephrir SR doesn’t have a strong meta basis tbh, it’s centered around his actions this game

oh neat

could you like just give the number of a post where you talk about it or somethign?

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In post 1186, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 619, Cephrir wrote:i think the more relevant thing is that gamma was mafia in this situation

This post was the main thing that made me read Cephrir’s push on me as overdone
There was valid points in the thing infinity brought up but the only takeaway Cephrir cared about was the one that made me look worse.
There’s probably other posts I can point to that weakly support this feeling but idc to hunt them down when I know the kicker is right here.

uhhh wait hold on a second i completely missed this post

i was just trying to explain what infinity was saying because ulyana didn't understand it... what an absolutely bonkers take it's like you didn't even read the conversation

no you fucking weren't lmfao

Phoneposting on break with what feels to be another migraine coming in - or sinus infection? No fever yet though.

Quick thoughts

Ceph's frustration about being at the bottom of the reading totem pole rings genuine but I don't know if that is AI or what the alignment would be yet.

First impulse is that scum doesn't openly admit that they're very low effort by justifying how and why the game is stale. Doubly so for the sincerity of their vote on Gamma since there was no half asked excuse that they are definitively scum.. If Galron was scum, why go against my wishes about hammering intention?

If Galron is who I think he is, he is a very competent player. But I don't think a pre-emptive BoP based on questionable alt hunting skills is the next step for me to approach the slot. So I don't feel compelled to vote there.

Peta and skitter feel good to townbin.

I don't follow Pooky's read progression of Gamma.

Dwlee flip sounds increasingly attractive but not quite feeling the drive to push that.

Dunn quickwagon pinged.

Gamma looks better but I wish he would engage with my points about him being scum. It feels like an admission of guilt to let my suspicion go unresolved since he townreads me with such confidence.

In post 614, Infinity 324 wrote:prism mentioning her read rate on gamma + gamma trying to claim his read on pooky was partly a meme + i realized the arguments i was using to defend gamma were similar to the ones i was using when i was his scumbuddy

In post 616, ulyana wrote:

In post 614, Infinity 324 wrote:i realized the arguments i was using to defend gamma were similar to the ones i was using when i was his scumbuddy

? why would this be a consideration for town!you?

In post 617, petapan wrote:seems kind of obvious?

In post 618, ulyana wrote:

In post 617, petapan wrote:seems kind of obvious?

? if town!infinity, why would she worry that arguments she is making were similar to arguments she made when she was mafia?

like if town she knows she is making the argument without knowledge of gamma's alignment in this case, right, so she'd now have realized that the argument she was making that she presumably believes in was similar to one she made that she did not believe in on account of being mafia so she stopped?

this does not make a lot of sense to me

In post 619, Cephrir wrote:i think the more relevant thing is that gamma was mafia in this situation

like, shiki's question had to do with inifinity's thought process, she didn't seem particularly interested in what it meant for me; you, however, instantly latched onto the underlying implication that because infinity was seeing stuff from my scum meta I had to be scum
that's not honest engagement imo

If Galron was scum, why **NOT** go against my wishes about hammering intention?

Oopsiss my brain has hit its limt

In post 1308, Taly wrote:Gamma looks better but I wish he would engage with my points about him being scum. It feels like an admission of guilt to let my suspicion go unresolved since he townreads me with such confidence.

I didn't know how to engage it at the time
I'll try to do so now ig

Taly what are you going to get out of mislimming me exactly?

In post 1312, Dwlee99 wrote:Taly what are you going to get out of mislimming me exactly?

Clarity on how you actually play because after multiple games you still bewilder me.

No but really, I see 2 ways to interpret your note that I'd mislim you and only one gives me a good vibe.

I don't need you to tell me your alignment I need you to tell me how I can best read you?

In post 1309, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 614, Infinity 324 wrote:prism mentioning her read rate on gamma + gamma trying to claim his read on pooky was partly a meme + i realized the arguments i was using to defend gamma were similar to the ones i was using when i was his scumbuddy

In post 616, ulyana wrote:

In post 614, Infinity 324 wrote:i realized the arguments i was using to defend gamma were similar to the ones i was using when i was his scumbuddy

? why would this be a consideration for town!you?

In post 617, petapan wrote:seems kind of obvious?

In post 618, ulyana wrote:

In post 617, petapan wrote:seems kind of obvious?

? if town!infinity, why would she worry that arguments she is making were similar to arguments she made when she was mafia?

like if town she knows she is making the argument without knowledge of gamma's alignment in this case, right, so she'd now have realized that the argument she was making that she presumably believes in was similar to one she made that she did not believe in on account of being mafia so she stopped?

this does not make a lot of sense to me

In post 619, Cephrir wrote:i think the more relevant thing is that gamma was mafia in this situation

like, shiki's question had to do with inifinity's thought process, she didn't seem particularly interested in what it meant for me; you, however, instantly latched onto the underlying implication that because infinity was seeing stuff from my scum meta I had to be scum
that's not honest engagement imo

you're wrong.

i was not calling you scum with that post.

infinity was defending you for reasons that she also used when she was your scumbuddy.

she was also using those reasons in this game.

hence, she had realized that it was likely NAI.

ulyana did not understand this.

Oh wow I do kind of sound snipy lmao

Maybe people are right when they say I can be aggressive

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In post 966, Taly wrote:

In post 949, Gypyx wrote:btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

Gamma's

posting towards

Prism

contributed but it's no longer the main thing that contributes to my scumread on him.

Spoiler: Taly's Aggro Going From 1 to 100

1.

It's the constant reactivity and image of giving in when there's pressure 375 411 and 414.

2.

The presumption of a truce despite that not aligning with anything

Prism's

mentioned 622 and 630

(this is something I've had exclusively scum-aligned players do to pacify me when I've 1v1'd them)

.

3.

Targeting

Pooky

for

agreeing

with his solve and

supporting it

275, 285, 288, and 290.

4.

The vote hopping 385 434 595 660 that are either based on an idea or suspicion another person voiced or doubling down on a scumread when prompted to.

5.

602 does not read like a townie who thinks they're TvTing because it's based on how so many other players decide to play.

Of course, most of this could be aggravated by

Prism V Gamma

, but I don't see this play come from frustrated-town

Gamma

. I've seen it more from caught

Gamma

-scum.

If I didn't want to still have proper conversations with SirCakez, Toogeloo, Pooky, you, Galron, Dunnstral, and Saber before EoD or fearful of yet another distracting 1v1:
I would have L2'd him by now.

But I honestly hope you don't read this entire post until you're well into catching up! It'd spoil the fruits of your untainted mind on the game.

alright so taly btw while you there, still interested in me answering this?

i'll concede that my intentions were unclear there, as much as gamma is not making me want to reconsider at all.

it comes nowhere close to justifying 672 even so, so i don't think i super care

In post 966, Taly wrote:

In post 949, Gypyx wrote:btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

Gamma's

posting towards

Prism

contributed but it's no longer the main thing that contributes to my scumread on him.

Spoiler: Taly's Aggro Going From 1 to 100

1.

It's the constant reactivity and image of giving in when there's pressure 375 411 and 414.

2.

The presumption of a truce despite that not aligning with anything

Prism's

mentioned 622 and 630

(this is something I've had exclusively scum-aligned players do to pacify me when I've 1v1'd them)

.

3.

Targeting

Pooky

for

agreeing

with his solve and

supporting it

275, 285, 288, and 290.

4.

The vote hopping 385 434 595 660 that are either based on an idea or suspicion another person voiced or doubling down on a scumread when prompted to.

5.

602 does not read like a townie who thinks they're TvTing because it's based on how so many other players decide to play.

Of course, most of this could be aggravated by

Prism V Gamma

, but I don't see this play come from frustrated-town

Gamma

. I've seen it more from caught

Gamma

-scum.

If I didn't want to still have proper conversations with SirCakez, Toogeloo, Pooky, you, Galron, Dunnstral, and Saber before EoD or fearful of yet another distracting 1v1:
I would have L2'd him by now.

But I honestly hope you don't read this entire post until you're well into catching up! It'd spoil the fruits of your untainted mind on the game.

1. I feel like the main source of my defeatism was feeling like I was getting SRed for what by all intents and purposes should register as my townplay.
   
2. The "truce" was meant as a kinda one-sided thing where I was just tuning Prism out so I could try to form reads on other players. My response in 630 is evidence of this, as I basically was saying "I don't care what you want, what I want is to actually form more reads than just people in the immediate vicinity". I did a similar thing in Xenoblade 2, actually.
   
3. I was kinda thinking back to Among Us where Pooky endlessly tunneled murdercat for inexplicable reasons. Obviously that was an ill-founded attempt to corner-cut seeing as when I went to explain my read I actually gave thought-out reasons to the SRs Pooky gave, so it wasn't at all a contrast to how he played in Among Us.
   
4. 385 was kinda a vote fueled by salt from past games that I was still feeling. 434 was kinda just OMGUS logic. 595 was a deliberate choice where I mathematically determined cakez felt the most removed from the game, and that general idea plus me feeling like he's one of the players I have an easier time solving compelled me to push him to generate content, like I did to Titus in Chrono Trigger Chronicles. 660 was a combo "I suspect this person more" and "I suspect my current vote less than I did" post, which I feel like I make somewhat often as town and it frequently pings people for no good reason imo. I think it makes sense to include that thought process in the way I do. Would it be better if I included an explicit unvote alongside the vote?
   Idk how well this actually covers the concern express for all the votes overall, but I feel like some of them are more defensible than others. My Cakez vote I definitely think was a fair shake in the moment.
   
5. idk how else I can present this tbh, I had a gut feeling I was tilting beyond reason but didn't want to just drop my line of thinking, and so I made the declaration that if someone who I felt like had knowledge of my situation felt like I was going off the deep end with my logic, I'd drop the Prism SR until I had a better picture of the game overall, likely including a few flips.

So like, overall, the issue seems to be your scope of my meta is limited and giving you a perspective that unfortunately makes my play look worse than it should this game.

In post 1313, Taly wrote:

In post 1312, Dwlee99 wrote:Taly what are you going to get out of mislimming me exactly?

Clarity on how you actually play because after multiple games you still bewilder me.

No but really, I see 2 ways to interpret your note that I'd mislim you and only one gives me a good vibe.

I don't need you to tell me your alignment I need you to tell me how I can best read you?

If I knew how to read me it wouldn't be a way to read me anymore would it?

In post 1307, Gamma Emerald wrote:no you fucking weren't lmfao

that's how i interpreted it at the time

In post 1319, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 966, Taly wrote:

In post 949, Gypyx wrote:btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

Gamma's

posting towards

Prism

contributed but it's no longer the main thing that contributes to my scumread on him.

Spoiler: Taly's Aggro Going From 1 to 100

1.

It's the constant reactivity and image of giving in when there's pressure 375 411 and 414.

2.

The presumption of a truce despite that not aligning with anything

Prism's

mentioned 622 and 630

(this is something I've had exclusively scum-aligned players do to pacify me when I've 1v1'd them)

.

3.

Targeting

Pooky

for

agreeing

with his solve and

supporting it

275, 285, 288, and 290.

4.

The vote hopping 385 434 595 660 that are either based on an idea or suspicion another person voiced or doubling down on a scumread when prompted to.

5.

602 does not read like a townie who thinks they're TvTing because it's based on how so many other players decide to play.

Of course, most of this could be aggravated by

Prism V Gamma

, but I don't see this play come from frustrated-town

Gamma

. I've seen it more from caught

Gamma

-scum.

If I didn't want to still have proper conversations with SirCakez, Toogeloo, Pooky, you, Galron, Dunnstral, and Saber before EoD or fearful of yet another distracting 1v1:
I would have L2'd him by now.

But I honestly hope you don't read this entire post until you're well into catching up! It'd spoil the fruits of your untainted mind on the game.

1. I feel like the main source of my defeatism was feeling like I was getting SRed for what by all intents and purposes should register as my townplay.
   
2. The "truce" was meant as a kinda one-sided thing where I was just tuning Prism out so I could try to form reads on other players. My response in 630 is evidence of this, as I basically was saying "I don't care what you want, what I want is to actually form more reads than just people in the immediate vicinity". I did a similar thing in Xenoblade 2, actually.
   
3. I was kinda thinking back to Among Us where Pooky endlessly tunneled murdercat for inexplicable reasons. Obviously that was an ill-founded attempt to corner-cut seeing as when I went to explain my read I actually gave thought-out reasons to the SRs Pooky gave, so it wasn't at all a contrast to how he played in Among Us.
   
4. 385 was kinda a vote fueled by salt from past games that I was still feeling. 434 was kinda just OMGUS logic. 595 was a deliberate choice where I mathematically determined cakez felt the most removed from the game, and that general idea plus me feeling like he's one of the players I have an easier time solving compelled me to push him to generate content, like I did to Titus in Chrono Trigger Chronicles. 660 was a combo "I suspect this person more" and "I suspect my current vote less than I did" post, which I feel like I make somewhat often as town and it frequently pings people for no good reason imo. I think it makes sense to include that thought process in the way I do. Would it be better if I included an explicit unvote alongside the vote?
   Idk how well this actually covers the concern express for all the votes overall, but I feel like some of them are more defensible than others. My Cakez vote I definitely think was a fair shake in the moment.
   
5. idk how else I can present this tbh, I had a gut feeling I was tilting beyond reason but didn't want to just drop my line of thinking, and so I made the declaration that if someone who I felt like had knowledge of my situation felt like I was going off the deep end with my logic, I'd drop the Prism SR until I had a better picture of the game overall, likely including a few flips.

So like, overall, the issue seems to be your scope of my meta is limited and giving you a perspective that unfortunately makes my play look worse than it should this game.

well then, i'll add to point 3 that really, even though Gamma has been playing unorthodxically this game, i really have trouble seeing what scum thinks "yes, this is a good move"

and point 4 isn't really bad in itself imo? Like yeah, you can say maybe he goes a bit too much with the flow, but in the end that's basically sheeping right?

gypyx I've never seen you effort this much as either alignment what's up

In post 1318, Cephrir wrote:i'll concede that my intentions were unclear there, as much as gamma is not making me want to reconsider at all.

it comes nowhere close to justifying 672 even so, so i don't think i super care

That's a fair response kinda, but if one of us doesn't give then the tension never fades
And like, 672 a bit embellished, so maybe that counts for something