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Bunnylover wrote:@Kdub: I've played with Ythan only once in that OoT game that you linked. He was town that game. I haven't observed Ythan scum play yet, but now that you mention OoT this is reminding me of when Cupcake (or LLD) claimed Mason, yet I don't think Ythan gave up attacking them.

So why didn't you think about past games with Ythan first when analyzing his play? Why did you try to compare him to another player to justify a vote when you should have had something far more solid to go by?

Ythan wrote:I have explicitly stated that I have information. I have denied having the kind of information certain narrowminded players assumed I was claiming.

Alright, I'll bite. Please share your information, because barring any new revelations, thil is not today's lynch, and I will actively fight against thil's lynch if he gets close. You have already put yourself out there by claiming to have some sort of info, I don't think there's much you could reveal that would put you in a more dangerous spot if you really do have something on thil.

@thil: investigating tmh for being a hydra is not a very convincing explanation after the events of late day3... if you were cop, you would have prolly investigated hohum, or chk...



my reasons for doing this don't depend on dana being less scummy (still scummy as hell), but rather on stuff that was hinted to in the last 24 hours. Obviously I cannot reveal my reasons without ythan's consent, and I see that he does not want to share as much as I would... so please keep reading: the rest of this post is relevant.

@ythan: as for your question, I am not sure how to answer.... if you mean that a town/scum read on someone else should be a deductive consequence of the reconstruction of night actions, then no (I prolly am not that smart). If you think that thil being scum for the reasons implied by your information would point to someone else being town/scum then perhaps.

Now, let me comment on the current situation. Apparently, you are missing some perspective, and tend to forget that what is evident to you is not half as evident to people who see your play from outside, so you should probably quit calling people narrowminded. If you post double enter, italic "are the cop", it is quite natural to assume you are softclaiming cop. Thanks god we managed to get out of that stupid empasse, but now your result was that even some very pro-town players seem to be confused and unable to analyse the current situation.

As a consequence, I see that people seem to want you to share your info, which, if I am correct, is impossible to do without revealing your role.

Here is my suggestion: I could out what I think, without you saying yes or no, and everyone will then be able consider the likelihood of thil being scum. Let me know if you agree to this plan.

You're going to lynch me based on who I investigated?

did you even read the thread, thil? did you even read my last posts? or you just skim looking for the parts in bold?

I'm trying my best here, but it's really hard to want to post a lot of content when people try to tell me I'm scummy for what I'm posting and yet I'm not giving them anything to work with and THAT'S why I'm scummy. My case on lew wasn't good, and I admit that. I'll try to get something better and I hope I don't end up regretting it.

Kdub wrote:

Ythan wrote:I have explicitly stated that I have information. I have denied having the kind of information certain narrowminded players assumed I was claiming.

Alright, I'll bite. Please share your information, because barring any new revelations, thil is not today's lynch, and I will actively fight against thil's lynch if he gets close. You have already put yourself out there by claiming to have some sort of info, I don't think there's much you could reveal that would put you in a more dangerous spot if you really do have something on thil.

Don't care about you kdub. Things are going fine without you being able to grasp where the game is.

@Kdub: I would have to say that its because your game was more recent then OoT game. Also because OoT was a Reck game, and I play differently in Reck game (I don't know why probably because they are crazy), and therefore I would assume some may do the same.

Ythan:
The thil wagon clearly has stalled, so good luck with that if you're going to continue to stonewall.

Bunnylover wrote:@Kdub: I would have to say that its because your game was more recent then OoT game. Also because OoT was a Reck game, and I play differently in Reck game (I don't know why probably because they are crazy), and therefore I would assume some may do the same.

The OoT game was less recent? Fine. But the second part seems like an extra excuse added on in case people didn't find your first reason convincing enough.

So now that you have dropped Ythan as a suspect, who are you after? I had to look back to see the last time you legitimately suspected someone.

Yeah, I'm not voting thil today. Trying to get Andrius to post again
-Toast

ToastyToast wrote:Yeah, I'm not voting thil today. Trying to get Andrius to post again
-Toast

I was doing so well too....

VOTE: Dana
Going back to Dana. Most solid scum read.

Ythan, have I to assume the answer to my suggestion is no?

dana wrote:
I'm trying my best here, but it's really hard to want to post a lot of content when people try to tell me I'm scummy for what I'm posting and yet I'm not giving them anything to work with and THAT'S why I'm scummy. My case on lew wasn't good, and I admit that. I'll try to get something better and I hope I don't end up regretting it.

@dana: AtE. Not even a very good one. Earlier in game you said there was nothing worth commenting - and we were in an extremely intense phase of game. Now you claimed to be prevented from contributing due to... what? The pressure? Meh... I am going to read your meta, sir. I am going to check out if you normall react this way under pressure.

Sufficiently outvested in this game to just do this now and see what happens.

Peach. Doctor a la SMRPG. Protected RC n1. And n2. Sent an RC protection n3 but deleted the PM and begrudgingly sent in a protection on the claimed cop after his target flipped goon and not x mafia goon. And the unoutstanding RC was killed rather than the claimed cop.

Ythan wrote:Not this again.

This breadcrumb in my second post (meant to put it in my first) is in reference to my pulling Peach in a game of RC's.

Ythan, does your role PM specifically mention SMRPG, or was that just your own example to explain the doctor claim?

Why does RC's death point to thil being scum? If you were responsible for protecting RC on N1, and if thil is telling the truth, the scum probably figured he would get protected last night, meaning they could freely kill off anyone else. RC dying doesn't say anything about thil's alignment.

Still happy with my vote

It is referred to as the time Exor destroyed Star Road.

I'll point out that Peach is never referred to as "Peach" in SMRPG, she's called Toadstool. It's a minor flavor point that I could see being a mod error, but it's worth mentioning.

Can you answer my second question?

Lewarcher, what do you think now, as of Ythan's claims? Do they match up with your thoughts?

Kdub wrote:Ythan:
The thil wagon clearly has stalled, so good luck with that if you're going to continue to stonewall.

Bunnylover wrote:@Kdub: I would have to say that its because your game was more recent then OoT game. Also because OoT was a Reck game, and I play differently in Reck game (I don't know why probably because they are crazy), and therefore I would assume some may do the same.

The OoT game was less recent? Fine. But the second part seems like an extra excuse added on in case people didn't find your first reason convincing enough.

So now that you have dropped Ythan as a suspect, who are you after? I had to look back to see the last time you legitimately suspected someone.

I haven't entirely dropped Ythan as a suspect. Rethinking him.
Earlier I had suspected Dana and I believe MB53. Reasons? Dana was for his vote on Lelouch (which I still find bad), and MB53 I think was calling Lelouch town.

@Ythan: I'm confuse how your role/information was convincing you that Thil is scum. Obviously if they RB Thil, eventually we will lynch him due to WIFOM.

Ythan wrote:Sufficiently outvested in this game to just do this now and see what happens.

Peach. Doctor a la SMRPG. Protected RC n1. And n2. Sent an RC protection n3 but deleted the PM and begrudgingly sent in a protection on the claimed cop after his target flipped goon and not x mafia goon. And the unoutstanding RC was killed rather than the claimed cop.

Hm. Was this the information you have behind your whole thing? If so, the fact that a claimed cop wasn't NK doesn't make him scum...he was still scummy (as shown by all the votes on him). If thats all you have, then no, I cannot trust you and place my vote on thil...

So....

You guys are gonna have to help me out a bit. I'm mb's replacement.

Anyway, if anyone can catch me up on any major events, I'd appreciate it. Lynches, kills, claims, big arguments, wagons waning and growing, and current suspicions.

DemonHybrid wrote:Anyway, if anyone can catch me up on any major events, I'd appreciate it. Lynches, kills, claims, big arguments, wagons waning and growing, and current suspicions.

I'll try, but someone else should clear up D3, because that was the day I was the most lost/behind

D1--wierd stuff. Guy named lelouch claimed scum in thread (but flipped town), got lynched, and continued to post. He is no longer on this site. main pushers of lynch were myself and esurio

D2--Tragedy was very defesnive about lelouch, and her defense was poor. Also flipped town

D3--wagon formed on thil, who claimed to catch scum via a cop read. However, the fact that he did not mention this immediately leads some people to believe thil was scum who claimed cop in order to clear himself. Also, the person he claimed cop on already had a large wagon.

D4--its pretty much bee ythan v thil. ythan has been very adamant about lynching thil (even b4 the end of D3), and thil...well, he claimed cop.