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In post 1324, Mac wrote:

In post 1322, ² wrote:If I had a town read on AJ I'd be arguing pretty strongly against that wagon. I get stubborn about my town reads. I even get stubborn about my null reads, though I do compromise.

- f

I don't feel like this is a legitimate answer to my question so I'll try again. what about Nacho's read on AJ is making you hold back?

It's the other way around. Nacho's read on AJ is the main reason I'm considering voting him now.

- f

In post 1325, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1324, Mac wrote:

In post 1322, ² wrote:If I had a town read on AJ I'd be arguing pretty strongly against that wagon. I get stubborn about my town reads. I even get stubborn about my null reads, though I do compromise.

- f

I don't feel like this is a legitimate answer to my question so I'll try again. what about Nacho's read on AJ is making you hold back?

It's the other way around. Nacho's read on AJ is the main reason I'm considering voting him now.

- f

grr

fery you excited or something?
You've been hydraslipping a lot.

Also I'm gonna go back and reread that Bisquick game.

In post 1322, ² wrote:If I had a town read on AJ I'd be arguing pretty strongly against that wagon. I get stubborn about my town reads. I even get stubborn about my null reads, though I do compromise.

- f

So, the only option then is a scum read. But wouldn't you be stubborn about that? Or at least vote your scum reads? You really aren't making much sense with what you're thinking of me right now.

In post 1325, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1324, Mac wrote:

In post 1322, ² wrote:If I had a town read on AJ I'd be arguing pretty strongly against that wagon. I get stubborn about my town reads. I even get stubborn about my null reads, though I do compromise.

- f

I don't feel like this is a legitimate answer to my question so I'll try again. what about Nacho's read on AJ is making you hold back?

It's the other way around. Nacho's read on AJ is the main reason I'm considering voting him now.

- f

so you are hanging fire on voting AJ because...?

evidently you both think he is a scumread.

In post 1327, GuyInFreezer wrote:fery you excited or something?
You've been hydraslipping a lot.

I have another game that is hours from nightfall. I'm spending most of my time in that browser.

@Mac I have AJ at null maybe null/scum. I have TMTwhatev lower on the scum scale. And I have players still somewhere in the null range due to relatively low content. b wants to go ahead and put a vote down. I'm being a pain in the ass.

- f

In post 1306, Mac wrote:buldermar you are being very tentative with your scum reads. And I can't remember you ever being this tentative.

I think I've been pretty straightforward, I just havn't spend time trying to read all of the players in this game yet. Which of my reads do you think I'm being tentative with? I'll try to elaborate on my thoughts.

- b

In post 1310, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1302, ² wrote:Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

how about andrius? you left him out

and sajin

@ mac

its cos they are scum

I thought I left out more. What is it that you're asking me exactly?

I've told you this before, and I'll tell you once again: if you're going to go into your tunnel-mode in which you just interpret everything I do as scummy due to your presumption, don't bother talking to me.

- b

In post 1332, ² wrote:

In post 1306, Mac wrote:buldermar you are being very tentative with your scum reads. And I can't remember you ever being this tentative.

I think I've been pretty straightforward, I just havn't spend time trying to read all of the players in this game yet. Which of my reads do you think I'm being tentative with? I'll try to elaborate on my thoughts.

- b

your scum reads. they are "maybe A, maybe B, and one of {X/Y/Z} - it's cautious for you.

In post 1318, Mac wrote:why are you hanging fire?

I still don't think that should effect how cautious buldermar is. it's out of character.

You're going to have to examplify this, because I don't see it, and it looks a bit like a silly excuse to sheep mollie's tunneling.

- b

In post 1333, ² wrote:

In post 1310, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1302, ² wrote:Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

how about andrius? you left him out

and sajin

@ mac

its cos they are scum

I thought I left out more. What is it that you're asking me exactly?

I've told you this before, and I'll tell you once again: if you're going to go into your tunnel-mode in which you just interpret everything I do as scummy due to your presumption, don't bother talking to me.

- b

I asked what was your read on andy was

and sajin

those were the questions

they are right there in the post you quoted

so how can you be confused about what my questions were

but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!

In post 1302, ² wrote:Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

Mac:

At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd} because of post 1139. My quite simple hypothesis that has not yet been falsified is that a lot of players will, as scum, jump on the biggest/most promising wagon early on and do so with an unoriginal reason, but nonetheless a reason. These are the candidates because B & B is almost without a doubt town.

I have, however, town read individual posts of GiF and Cabd, which means that my scum read on TD is that much stronger. The reason why we're not voting TD is because f, orc and Nacho is convinced that he's town (which I still disagree with).

Does this clarify?

- b

In post 1335, ² wrote:

In post 1318, Mac wrote:why are you hanging fire?

I still don't think that should effect how cautious buldermar is. it's out of character.

You're going to have to examplify this, because I don't see it, and it looks a bit like a silly excuse to sheep mollie's tunneling.

- b

no. no it's not? you are usually an aggresive player and not afraid to throw out a scumread. you spent most of poetic justice preaching to the high heavens about how Majiffy was correctly scum. now, your scumreads are tenative, and you are making an effort to discredit me by lumping me in with mollie's sheeping which is completely untrue.

VOTE: 2

I am more than comfortable with this now.

p-edit: a little better. I'm still happy with this vote.

In post 1329, Aj The Epic wrote:

In post 1322, ² wrote:If I had a town read on AJ I'd be arguing pretty strongly against that wagon. I get stubborn about my town reads. I even get stubborn about my null reads, though I do compromise.

- f

So, the only option then is a scum read. But wouldn't you be stubborn about that? Or at least vote your scum reads? You really aren't making much sense with what you're thinking of me right now.

This has been addressed already previously in this thread.

- b

In post 1338, Mac wrote:

In post 1335, ² wrote:

In post 1318, Mac wrote:why are you hanging fire?

I still don't think that should effect how cautious buldermar is. it's out of character.

You're going to have to examplify this, because I don't see it, and it looks a bit like a silly excuse to sheep mollie's tunneling.

- b

no. no it's not? you are usually an aggresive player and not afraid to throw out a scumread. you spent most of poetic justice preaching to the high heavens about how Majiffy was correctly scum. now, your scumreads are tenative, and you are making an effort to discredit me by lumping me in with mollie's sheeping which is completely untrue.

VOTE: 2

I am more than comfortable with this now.

p-edit: a little better. I'm still happy with this vote.

EBWOP: mollie's tunneling, not sheeping.

@2: plz explain how my sven vote was unoriginal.

In post 1334, Mac wrote:

In post 1332, ² wrote:

In post 1306, Mac wrote:buldermar you are being very tentative with your scum reads. And I can't remember you ever being this tentative.

I think I've been pretty straightforward, I just havn't spend time trying to read all of the players in this game yet. Which of my reads do you think I'm being tentative with? I'll try to elaborate on my thoughts.

- b

your scum reads. they are "maybe A, maybe B, and one of {X/Y/Z} - it's cautious for you.

How the hell is that being cautious? Is it not plausible that I simply havn't made a strong scum read (not counting TD) at this point in time?

- b

In post 1336, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1333, ² wrote:

In post 1310, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1302, ² wrote:Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

how about andrius? you left him out

and sajin

@ mac

its cos they are scum

I thought I left out more. What is it that you're asking me exactly?

I've told you this before, and I'll tell you once again: if you're going to go into your tunnel-mode in which you just interpret everything I do as scummy due to your presumption, don't bother talking to me.

- b

I asked what was your read on andy was

and sajin

those were the questions

they are right there in the post you quoted

so how can you be confused about what my questions were

but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!

No, you did not say "what are your read on andrius and sajin", you said "how about andrius and sajin", as if I was supposed to have reads on them, which I did not understand because IIRC I havn't even commented on either of their posts (and if I have then it didn't stand out to me because I don't remember). This is what happens when you tunnel: you just start assuming that everything I do is indicative of me being scum, which in turn makes you tunnel even more. It seriously gets the worst out of me.

I don't have reads on andy and sajin because I havn't had time to look into the content of their posts, nor have I talked to f about her reads on them yet. I'm in the middle of exams and will be for the next month or so.

"but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!" thank you for examplifying.

- b

In post 1342, ² wrote:

In post 1334, Mac wrote:

In post 1332, ² wrote:

In post 1306, Mac wrote:buldermar you are being very tentative with your scum reads. And I can't remember you ever being this tentative.

I think I've been pretty straightforward, I just havn't spend time trying to read all of the players in this game yet. Which of my reads do you think I'm being tentative with? I'll try to elaborate on my thoughts.

- b

your scum reads. they are "maybe A, maybe B, and one of {X/Y/Z} - it's cautious for you.

How the hell is that being cautious? Is it not plausible that I simply havn't made a strong scum read (not counting TD) at this point in time?

- b[/quote

if we were like 10 pages in and 200 posts then I would accept this counter argument. but as it stands there are 54 pages and 1342 posts and you are telling me that you have not gathered a single strong scum read from any of them? this is either poor scumhunting or fencesitting, and since I know you are a good player, I'm going for the latter.

In post 1341, GuyInFreezer wrote:@2: plz explain how my sven vote was unoriginal.

Unoriginal is probably a poor word for your vote. It was original in terms of stupidity.

- b

In post 1343, ² wrote:

In post 1336, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1333, ² wrote:

In post 1310, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1302, ² wrote:Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

how about andrius? you left him out

and sajin

@ mac

its cos they are scum

I thought I left out more. What is it that you're asking me exactly?

I've told you this before, and I'll tell you once again: if you're going to go into your tunnel-mode in which you just interpret everything I do as scummy due to your presumption, don't bother talking to me.

- b

I asked what was your read on andy was

and sajin

those were the questions

they are right there in the post you quoted

so how can you be confused about what my questions were

but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!

No, you did not say "what are your read on andrius and sajin", you said "how about andrius and sajin", as if I was supposed to have reads on them, which I did not understand because IIRC I havn't even commented on either of their posts (and if I have then it didn't stand out to me because I don't remember). This is what happens when you tunnel: you just start assuming that everything I do is indicative of me being scum, which in turn makes you tunnel even more. It seriously gets the worst out of me.

I don't have reads on andy and sajin because I havn't had time to look into the content of their posts, nor have I talked to f about her reads on them yet

. I'm in the middle of exams and will be for the next month or so.

"but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!" thank you for examplifying.

- b

f has said she has a strong read on andy itt

In post 1344, Mac wrote:

In post 1342, ² wrote:

In post 1334, Mac wrote:

In post 1332, ² wrote:

In post 1306, Mac wrote:buldermar you are being very tentative with your scum reads. And I can't remember you ever being this tentative.

I think I've been pretty straightforward, I just havn't spend time trying to read all of the players in this game yet. Which of my reads do you think I'm being tentative with? I'll try to elaborate on my thoughts.

- b

your scum reads. they are "maybe A, maybe B, and one of {X/Y/Z} - it's cautious for you.

How the hell is that being cautious? Is it not plausible that I simply havn't made a strong scum read (not counting TD) at this point in time?

- b[/quote

if we were like 10 pages in and 200 posts then I would accept this counter argument. but as it stands there are 54 pages and 1342 posts and you are telling me that you have not gathered a single strong scum read from any of them? this is either poor scumhunting or fencesitting, and since I know you are a good player, I'm going for the latter.

I'm about to lose my temper, but I'll try to remain calm. I have not read nearly any of the longer posts, and many of the shorter ones, just to stay up with the pace of this game. It's inadequate time if anything, which does result in poor scumhunting in the sense that scumhunting efficiency correlates with time invested. I've asked f to sign up as a hydra in games with me rather than individual players because that way I hoped to not be forced to spend more time that I can afford right now (she can confirm, but that probably doesn't work for you).

- b

In post 1346, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1343, ² wrote:

In post 1336, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1333, ² wrote:

In post 1310, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1302, ² wrote:Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

how about andrius? you left him out

and sajin

@ mac

its cos they are scum

I thought I left out more. What is it that you're asking me exactly?

I've told you this before, and I'll tell you once again: if you're going to go into your tunnel-mode in which you just interpret everything I do as scummy due to your presumption, don't bother talking to me.

- b

I asked what was your read on andy was

and sajin

those were the questions

they are right there in the post you quoted

so how can you be confused about what my questions were

but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!

No, you did not say "what are your read on andrius and sajin", you said "how about andrius and sajin", as if I was supposed to have reads on them, which I did not understand because IIRC I havn't even commented on either of their posts (and if I have then it didn't stand out to me because I don't remember). This is what happens when you tunnel: you just start assuming that everything I do is indicative of me being scum, which in turn makes you tunnel even more. It seriously gets the worst out of me.

I don't have reads on andy and sajin because I havn't had time to look into the content of their posts, nor have I talked to f about her reads on them yet

. I'm in the middle of exams and will be for the next month or so.

"but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!" thank you for examplifying.

- b

f has said she has a strong read on andy itt

I havn't talked to her about her read on andy.

- b

In post 1346, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1343, ² wrote:

In post 1336, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1333, ² wrote:

In post 1310, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1302, ² wrote:Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

how about andrius? you left him out

and sajin

@ mac

its cos they are scum

I thought I left out more. What is it that you're asking me exactly?

I've told you this before, and I'll tell you once again: if you're going to go into your tunnel-mode in which you just interpret everything I do as scummy due to your presumption, don't bother talking to me.

- b

I asked what was your read on andy was

and sajin

those were the questions

they are right there in the post you quoted

so how can you be confused about what my questions were

but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!

No, you did not say "what are your read on andrius and sajin", you said "how about andrius and sajin", as if I was supposed to have reads on them, which I did not understand because IIRC I havn't even commented on either of their posts (and if I have then it didn't stand out to me because I don't remember). This is what happens when you tunnel: you just start assuming that everything I do is indicative of me being scum, which in turn makes you tunnel even more. It seriously gets the worst out of me.

I don't have reads on andy and sajin because I havn't had time to look into the content of their posts, nor have I talked to f about her reads on them yet

. I'm in the middle of exams and will be for the next month or so.

"but I guess what you offered was a nice way to dodge the questions that I originally asked!" thank you for examplifying.

- b

f has said she has a strong read on andy itt

I havn't talked to her about her read on andy.

- b