The Walking Dead Mafia! ( Game Over )

[Thor665]

Where did your town read on OMGL form, Thor? That also wasn't the only question(s) I asked you.

My town read formed because I could look at his posts and see scumhunting effort. Go back and read the questions, there's a reason his answers to them don't sound polished and that he's coming up with feelings and non-clear thoughts. That's real scumhunting, he's putting it together and felt comfortable throwing out half formed thoughts because he's town and wasn't afraid to be caught saying anything odd.

Then he got called scummy for having sloppy conclusions that didn't have much polish on them. Yeah, because every town here should have really polished and well thought out scumhunting. No, as long as there's internal logic it is fine, and his hunt had internal logic. I don't like the wagon, it is going to lynch us a sub-par player who is going to almost certainly flip town.

I know that wasn't the only one - I answered all the others already, as I said when I first responded to all of them. You'll note the answers I just re-gave you were already present in the thread. What of them?

[Jon Doe]

P-edit: right, because we take everyone at their word in the game of mafia! Makes perfect sense.

Seems to work for you. But un-smartassed answer until you have evidence to the contrary pushing b.s. is just pushing b.s.

[No Brains Here]

I'm beginning to think OGML is pacing himself off because he hopes his wagon goes away - while we distract ourselves towards a town lynch.

^ this guys. so much of this

[Thor665]

I deserve that. Skimmed and missed that part. Yes, you have been opposing the status quo which I do like. I don't som much like the other response. Those quotes all had either a what does everybody else think or this is what I'm willing to do so go that direction and I'm with you currying feel to them. I don't think I'm thinking what you think I'm thinking so clearing up that issue would help me a lot on you. Dodging it or telling me its raining while you're peeing on me doesn't help.

I didn't dodge it - I flat out stated none of them are currying and, in fact, I think all of them show me *not* caring.
I feel like you skimmed my iso and took stuff that superficially looked like that, but only if not read in context. I remember those conversations - none of them were currying.
Prove one was and then prove me a liar.
That's where we're at, ball is in your court.
When you fail - sheep me. This case is worse than the one on OGML.

I didn't like the tail end of his d1 posts or the timing of his vote and the bitching about matt's and mine's spat/misunderstanding feels disingenuous and like scum chiming in on a tvt argument.

What about Day 2 - the interaction between him and Sugar?

you saying "he is scum because he is scum hunting" doesn't make sense to me, I don't see where you are coming from with that. you don't know if he is scumhunting unless you know he is town.

If you believe that is true you still shouldn't be voting him.

[Thor665]

I'm beginning to think OGML is pacing himself off because he hopes his wagon goes away - while we distract ourselves towards a town lynch.

^ this guys. so much of this

Totally.
The fact that he posted once on Wednesday, and then a lot on Saturday, and then none on Sunday, *totally* shows a history of lurking and dodging.

This case is built on a foundation of win, and Thor is CrAzY to think it isn't.
Just like Thor was CrAzY to spot the obv. fake claim yesterday, because that too looked soooo obviously true...until you looked at it.
Wake up people, we're posting a mile a minute and doing and accomplishing nothing.

[Jon Doe]

Thor, why the heavy defense of OMGL? Offering sheep suspects, telling people who their votes should be on. Assuming we'll fail at our lynch and then turn around and sheep him. Something ain't right with this one.

NBH, I absolutely agree.

~Titus

[Sugar Cain]

1. So...do you agree she's playing scummy?

2. I don't think I've ever been in a game where I led a lynch and wasn't held accountable on some level for the results of that lynch. Yes, I would expect to be suspected if you flipped town...then again, it being me, I'd expect to be suspected if you flip scum, but there's always the hope your boyz nightkill me first

What do you think about my take of how you put together your case on OGML? Y'know, where I call it all elaborate word traps and a case built on the crime of scumhunting? You, oddly, haven't addressed it yet except in the most vague terms.

1. No but that might be 'cause I have the benefit of knowing she's coming from a pr-town mindset.

I thought the word traps were about Pit? You can ask Mara about her traps but we both had a scum read on Pit before the "word traps"

[Sugar Cain]

1. So...do you agree she's playing scummy?

2. I don't think I've ever been in a game where I led a lynch and wasn't held accountable on some level for the results of that lynch. Yes, I would expect to be suspected if you flipped town...then again, it being me, I'd expect to be suspected if you flip scum, but there's always the hope your boyz nightkill me first

What do you think about my take of how you put together your case on OGML? Y'know, where I call it all elaborate word traps and a case built on the crime of scumhunting? You, oddly, haven't addressed it yet except in the most vague terms.

1. No but that might be 'cause I have the benefit of knowing she's coming from a pr-town mindset.

I thought the word traps were about Pit? You can ask Mara about her traps but we both had a scum read on Pit before the "word traps"

[Thor665]

Thor, why the heavy defense of OMGL?

Amrun LITERALLY JUST ASKED ME THIS FOR THE SECOND TIME, AND GOT MY FOURTH RENDITION OF THE ANSWER.

Offering sheep suspects, telling people who their votes should be on.

Yes, i am doing that.

Assuming we'll fail at our lynch and then turn around and sheep him. Something ain't right with this one.

If you believe that then, just like Mollie, YOU'RE VOTING THE WRONG PERSON!

NBH, I absolutely agree.

Og sweet Mary, he's not even posting anywhere else on site.
Ockham's razor - maybe he's just doing something for the past 24 hours that isn't Mafia. We don't even know enough about his posting rate to even BEGIN to use this as a tell.

[Jon Doe]

And you present me with a dilemma. On the one hand I'm town reading you and would very much like to collaborate on Sugar, on the other hand I like a good challenge. Thats pretty good though picking up it was from ISO. Well let's see if I can go anywhere with the challenge first. That should take care of both issues in front of me.

[Thor665]

@Sugar - you're right, the word traps *were* about you and Pit.

What the heck were the bad reads by OGML then?

[Amrun]

P-edit: right, because we take everyone at their word in the game of mafia! Makes perfect sense.

Seems to work for you. But un-smartassed answer until you have evidence to the contrary pushing b.s. is just pushing b.s.

Wrong. Ugh. Not how the game works.


Thor, I'll deal with you later when I have a computer. For the record, I don't care for you telling me to "go back and read" as if I am searching for a read on OMGL for myself. I am not. I am looking for YOUR stance.

After reading the context, I decided OMGL is probably town. That isn't relevant to the question I was asking you.

[Amrun]

And Jon doe, once again, why did you say OMGL scum slipped?

[Thor665]

Went back and looked, i had melded the Pitoli and OGML pushes in my head.

I still am not a fan of the OGML push, but he is not as strong a read as Pitoli to me. That said, i do still think he was run up for scumhunting, and I do still think that what he did is more of a town tell than a scumtell. Heck, even what NBH is dinging him over...why did she leap to Vig as opposed to SK? She did the same mental leap he did, basically literally, and then she called him scum for doing it. No me gusta.

Let's lynch Sugar. I still don' like that Pitoli interaction.

[Thor665]

Thor, I'll deal with you later when I have a computer. For the record, I don't care for you telling me to "go back and read" as if I am searching for a read on OMGL for myself. I am not. I am looking for YOUR stance.

And, as I said, I'd openly stated it in thread *repeatedly* and literally today.
So...yeah, 'go read' seems a legit reply.
Heck, I literally just re-stated it for you with reasoning,a nd then offered my most recent clarification post.
I've been talking about that read all day and you're acting like I'm playing Poker over here or something, what gives?

After reading the context, I decided OMGL is probably town.

Thank gawd. Now I can feel slightly less insane with stating the obvious.

That isn't relevant to the question I was asking you.

Figures.

[Venmar]

I'm removing Waynegg from the game. I'll see if Titus will play alone.

Sorry for my absence today. VC coming up guys!

[Thor665]

@Amrun - none of it would have even bugged me if you hadn't prefaced it with 'now I've read up' before asking.
I felt like you were lying about reading, frankly.

[Jon Doe]

And Jon doe, once again, why did you say OMGL scum slipped?

I

didn't.

[MattP]

I'll continue this conversation after my MCAT, Thor.

[Sugar Cain]

Sugar and OGML are both consistent with how the nightkills went down.

WHAT is this?


This is basically, after the Trust Fund flip, I would expect scum to start attacking us hard for no reason. Given the fact both of you have voted us, you being scum is consistent with my view of how the nightkills went down.

Sugar's voting pattern has been erratic at best.

So that's the only reason you suspect us other than "Sugar and GIF being the most talked about in the thread"

Absolutely not. Wayne laid down the meta case against GiF. As for you, your over the top reactions and general behavior in the thread make me paranoid enough. Then, there is Thor's case which is decent but I don't fully trust Thor. I have bigger fish to fry than you. I might change my mind in the mean time.

Over the top reactions and general behavior? Way to be vague. Yes, Thor and Amrun calling us scum out the fucking blue with little or no reasoning was pretty derptastic. AJ selectively scumhunting us was pretty bad, too. I'm going to react but I don't think my reaction to ANYTHING has been over the top.

[Amrun]

@Amrun - none of it would have even bugged me if you hadn't prefaced it with 'now I've read up' before asking.
I felt like you were lying about reading, frankly.

That's silly.

I asked you because I wanted succinct restatements to see if your answers were consistent with the impression I got by reading. I am trying to check your internal consistency.

[Amrun]

And Jon doe, that answer grows old. Find out why one of you did something so stupid, explain why, and start signing your damn posts.

[Thor665]

Do you seriously think you could catch me that way if I was scum?
I mean, seriously? That's like a newbie catch at best, and you're asking me to re-state things that I did...TODAY. It's not even like I had a week or something to get futzy about them.

Hint: when I'm scum and I don't remember something...I go back and check. Derp. I'm not terribad scum. What the heck?

[Thor665]

Aw crud! Guys, I forgot what I said this morning!
Oh man...I'm just going to make up a random lie about it right now instead of using the ISO feature!
That'll work!
I do my fake claims the same way, I never make sure they have backwards accountability!
Man, I am amazing at this game!

[Venmar]

Votecount 2.5

[L-8]

Pitoli:

Desperado, Amrun

[L-10] RedCoyote:

[L-10] Amrun:

[L-8]

Jon Doe:

OhGodMyLife, Aj the Epic

[L-10] Desperado:

[L-10] borkjerfkin:

[L-10] PeregrineV:

[L-10] Mastin2:

[L-7]

OhGodMyLife:

No Brains Here, Jon Doe, borkjerfkin

[L-10] Aj the Epic:

[L-10] No Brains Here:

[L-10] Toogeloo:

[L-9]

Ellibereth:

Toogeloo

[L-10] ActionDan:

[L-10] Mattp:

[L-10] Sangres:

[L-10] Thor665:

[L-10] GuyInFreezer:

[L-9]

Sugar Cain:

Thor665

Not Voting (10):

• Pitoli, RedCoyote, PeregrineV, Mastin2, Ellibereth, ActionDan, Sangres, GuyInFreezer, Mattp, Sugar Cain

Deadline:

• Friday, August 16th, 2013

Mod Notes:

• With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
  
• Mattp is V/LA until August 9th I believe.
  
• GuyInFreezer is V/LA until 8/5
  
• Amrun and Mastin2 are V/LA on Weekends.
  
• Prodding Ellibereth

Mod

, can you please include links to the end of days somewhere in your OP?

- Yeah i have a place for that. I'll update it in a short bit!