Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Desperado]

@ syrlacious <3

@desp

the entrance post fit his scum meta but pl had not ended yet so I couldn't say it. it is a strong meta read, not in the way of pattern-matching but what I know about andy. he is posturing for affect <---- for andy, I am thinking that is a relative scumtell.

Yeah I read those walls from Perpetual Mylo and I can see what you are seeing.

With that said, I also see a) way more detail in his reads and b) way more time spent antagonizing unconfirmed players.

What needs to happen to get you on board with Rach-scum? You were null-scum leaning on her earlier, what changed? I feel like she's gotten scummier as the game has progressed

Okay from Perpetual LyLo to Xeno I. I see a difference in the first wall. Xeno I - less fluffy, less ragey. Second post similar reaction to the Sven claim to NS claim here. Perpetual LyLo - more fluffy, more ragey. Also the reads are more developed.

VOTE: Andy

In the process of moving back onto Mastin scum-game in Micro vs Mastin-town game in Micro. brb.

I'm confused. Is the bold not saying that his Perpetual Mylo walls were different than his Xeno 1 and Xeno 2 walls?

And where are you at re: Rach?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

tbh that kind of confused me as well

[Malakittens]

The bold is me saying there is a difference... There IS a clear difference in his Xeno I play to his Pert play.. There's a difference from his Xeno II play to his Xeno I play. His Xeno II play is similar to his play in Pert game besides the minor part of the reaction to NS's claim here to Xeno I. Does this make more sense?

I need her to post more. I have played numerous games with her and all of what everyone is accusing her of doing is something she does as either alignment. I thought I had a scum-tell relative tell on her from F+1, but it came to be untrue because she did it to a following open game where she was town.

[Aj The Epic]

You accuse me of tunneling, but you are doing the exact same thing.

Admittedly, since you've come in, you've been my major focus. But at the same time, I've been developing multiple different reads. Up until you stopped arguing with FTL, he was your soul focus. Not major, soul. There's a difference. I haven't seen posts I expect from you as town. I personally thinking you're faking this.

Even the argument with FTL, none of it made me feel like you should've been particularly angry. Especially the one where you claimed made you want to replace out. For what he said, it was very passive compared to what he could've said for you having a bias on him for being banned. Engaging that topic here was wrong, as I think you pointed out later, and repercussions should've been more than expected. Varsoon's answer was very passive compared to some of the attacks I've heard from players who get angry and I don't quite see you getting that flustered from his post. I read it multiple times trying to find some personal attack that was over the line, but found nothing.

Apparently, however, you have enough support that unless I really wanted to ram this case down everyone's throat, I'm just wasting my time on you. I will be going for something more solid. But Mala, inwardly you have to know this isn't your town game.

[mastin2]

I recall him mentioning the number of scum when he announced it single-faction, and there were only three places he's done that. Could be wrong, of course, but I really seem to remember it.

Quote it and I might unvote you. I looked.

I checked and double-checked the front page, and it's not there. Thinking it might be in my PM, I checked there, too, but nope, not there, either. I swear I remember it, but I haven't been able to find it, either. But regardless, you'll unvote me eventually without me being able to find it. I can guarantee it.

Also this is wrong because you have no idea of power roles; could easily make it OP or superweak in comparison.

I'm positive it's not 4, because the scumteam would have to be SERIOUSLY,

SERIOUSLY

souped up in order to stand a chance. I'm reasonably certain that the town doesn't have the strength for it to be six, either. Also, this game can't have a serial killer; bork said one anti-town faction, and serial killers are an anti-town faction. (Albeit a solo-one.)

[5] mastin2 (Venmar, Trust Fund, BROseidon, nickthename, TiphaineDeath)

I mean look at this sexy wagon. Come on guys you know you wanna join it.

Sexy wagon my

ass

.

One hidden-read, two barely-town-reads, a maybe-scumread, and an actual-scum. (Skull's later addition being even worse.)
Heck, the Rach wagon isn't much better. If anything, being worse.

[5] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light, Nachomamma8)

Two dueling scumreads, the other hidden-read, and two weak townreads. If you really want a sexy wagon, look at this:

[4] nickthename (mastin2, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, thezmon221)

Two conftown voting back-to-back, along with a totally-obvtown player and a decently-pro-town player.

Mastin looks like really, really lost town to me right now.

But I think I'm beginning to hone in on things. 'Specially with the super-sekrit scenario which is looking more and more appetizing. Nacho's quite right; it'll take a night phase or two for me to really get in my element. Basically, yeah. I was feeling lost. But I *think* I'm slowly drawing the pieces together and getting a handle on this game. (So stop nullreading me and start townreading me, SoS. ) In fact, you say it better than I can.

"I know I'm screwing things up but let me get my shit together and do something useful."

That's pretty much

exactly

how I'm feeling at the moment.

the only thing that really and truly bugs me is his buttering up after everything he said in pikman.

Mollie, I don't think you're quite remembering Pinkmin mafia near the end of my life, there. Check my posts after you investigated ActionDan. (Maybe a bit before, maybe a bit after, but thereabouts that time.) I "buttered up" to you

back then

.

If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?

Lie about confidence? Yes. Telling a lie about how confident I am can allow me to become the mask, as I later say. As for saying I'm town, I'm saying it because it's true, and you're idiots for not realizing it.

Any particular reason you'd assume that Scum has day-talk this game?

I don't think scum have daytalk this game.

For the record--Trust Fund moves to being town for being one of the only players with an actual legitimate case for why I'm scum. Ultimately, a wrong one, yes, because I'm about as town as can be. But still, they're town for it. And their continued posting afterwards. No. Seriously. Trust Fund is now a legit townread of mine. Not a "faking it for the sake of the lie" of confidence townread. Legitimate, "at least on part with MuffinMan" if not higher townread. You want an argument that they're scum rather than just wrongtown, and it'll need to be DANG-good to convince me.

Don't really see it as a scum slip. I myself have always thought about how many scum are in a game so I can look for possible connections. Main reason why I haven't voted Mastin. I think he's scum, but not for the whole "5 scum thing".

Cognitive dissonance ahoy! "Not a scumslip, and him thinking about it keeps me from voting him. Still think he's scum, but not for that." How does that work from a town mindset? Especially with a noticeable wagon on me? And where are those other reasons? Yeah, my point exactly. Also, this:

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

(Trust Fund beating me to it, and Malak having said it at all, increases townread on TF and scumread on MalaK.)

For the record--slooooooooowly seeing more of town-Desp especially with my super-sekrit theory in mind, which is progressively pushing him from scum into town. (Also, I need those scumslots for other scum players. ) Oh, heck with it. Desp moves to town. Period.

[mastin2]

Let's review, shall we?

TOWN

:

notscience
BeautyAndTheBeast
Ghostlin
Sound of Silence
Aj The Epic
Trust Fund
Faster Than Light
zMuffinMan
Mac
Desperado

TiphaineDeath
thezmon221

RachMarie

SCUM

:

nickthename
Malakittens
Andrius

NULL

:

BROseidon
Skullduggery

Hidden:

Nachomamma8
Venmar

[zMuffinMan]

adding mastin to my ignore list

[zMuffinMan]

venmar, mac, bnb, sos, ftl, nick

desperado, ghostlin, nacho, mastin

low

malakittens
aj
thezmon
trustfund
td
andrius
skullduggery
bro
RM

high

this is me compared to you btw mastin. so it's not that difference, but I literally think I'm going to break something that I don't want to break if I read any more of the bullshit in your walls, so I'm just going to ignore them from now. first line is town reads i'm very confident about, second line is reads i'm pretty sure but not as confident about.

it's not _that_ different to your list

[Desperado]

Nacho and muffin: where are you getting these hard town reads on FTL?

[zMuffinMan]

I've said it a fair few times already, but it began with the exchange I had with MS earlier in the game (like.. p26? or whenever) and then when I was rereading the game I just started reading most of their posts as town.

I've already discussed it in #879 (see response to nick in wall of bullshit) and 1137 (see response to Mala, where I talk more about my exchange with MS).

Since then, I've basically been townreading him every post so yeah.

Why do you think differently?

[Desperado]

Varsoon's boss-level AtE is making me paranoid because of Calvin and Hobbes. I called him out as scum all game but he coasted on a miller neighborizer claim and was basically conftown by the end. He and Zoidberg got into an epic pissing match D1 and the level of effort/commitment to the role (in this case, the wounded/falsely accused good guy) was exactly the same.

[Desperado]

Varsoon's boss-level AtE is making me paranoid because of Calvin and Hobbes. I called him out as scum all game but he coasted on a miller neighborizer claim and was basically conftown by the end. He and Zoidberg got into an epic pissing match D1 and the level of effort/commitment to the role (in this case, the wounded/falsely accused good guy) was exactly the same.

[notscience]

Muffin is that Low=Town or scum

[zMuffinMan]

@desperado,

I don't have any experience with either head, but the MS head is currently the biggest reason I think FTL is town, and I haven't seen anything particularly scummy from the varsoon head either after the early dumb shit with posts like #53. I can't (read: don't want to) compare his play in other games so that's not an issue for me.

@ns,

It's the list of players outside my town reads in order of how likely I think it is that they're scum. My vote is currently on RM for reference.

[notscience]

Derp, haven't seen the recent votecount.

Fair enough.

Can I ask why you have a few people in your scummier sections who should be null? They have like 10 posts between the two, and yet you have both as scum/leaning. (Skull and Rach) Would you be willing to join the Andy wagon?

[notscience]

EBWOP- I feel like I'm asking stuff you've already said because I'm mixing people up

[zMuffinMan]

@ns,

RM I've been over a million times. 879 has my really long, expanded thoughts on RM (in the response to mastin - the 8==D spoiler). My other thoughts on RM are riddled throughout my ISO.

As for skullduggery, it's mostly gut based on 1123. I mentioned it in an earlier post (cbf finding it) but the questions he asked here were absolutely useless and basically fake scum hunting. I don't have anything substantial here except gut and feel less good about him than others I'm not reading as town atm.

[Mac]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

how much of a fucking misrep could this be? there's a whole part of that sentence you've missed out which is pretty key to the fact that Mala is

not

just moving onto mastin.


VOTE: Trust Fund

[Mac]

also there was something bugging me about skull's entrance but I can't remember what it was. I think it had something to do with notscience and the pgo claim but I'll have to check.

[Trust Fund]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

how much of a fucking misrep could this be? there's a whole part of that sentence you've missed out which is pretty key to the fact that Mala is

not

just moving onto mastin.


VOTE: Trust Fund

[mastin2]

venmar, mac, bnb, sos, ftl, nick
desperado, ghostlin, nacho, mastin

low

malakittens
aj
thezmon
trustfund
td
andrius
skullduggery
bro
RM

high

Take Aj, TF, thez, and TD out of your scumlist and we can talk. In fact,
venmar, mac, bnb, sos, ftl, nick
desperado, ghostlin, nacho, mastin

low

malakittens
andrius
skullduggery
bro
RM

high

They were all conveniently placed together, so let's talk.

[Sound of Silence]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

how much of a fucking misrep could this be? there's a whole part of that sentence you've missed out which is pretty key to the fact that Mala is

not

just moving onto mastin.


VOTE: Trust Fund

iirc mollie didn't get what mala was saying there either.

[zMuffinMan]

RM is RachMarie, but yes, I know which of your reads are different to yours and which are similar.

We seem to have like 15 reads we agree on.

Thing is, I like who's on the nick wagon, I just don't think he's scum. I don't know why that particular wagon hasn't picked up speed if I'm right about him and the other people on it, but I think it has something to do with a majority of the *crowd* thinking he's town.

[zMuffinMan]

which of my reads* are different to yours

and obviously the above was @mastin

[Malakittens]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

how much of a fucking misrep could this be? there's a whole part of that sentence you've missed out which is pretty key to the fact that Mala is

not

just moving onto mastin.


VOTE: Trust Fund

iirc mollie didn't get what mala was saying there either.

Wrong. She didn't get my Andy read