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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:41 pm
by Green Crayons
Also, if you are putting the minimal conversation I have had with dave, and my pursuit of elle-suspicions, on the same level as Ranger's horrible "GC is scum guys lolobviously he's not being a scumhunting god here," you're p bad at evaluating players.


Oh oh oh, but please do defend Ranger's horrible, lie-infested, refusing-to-back-up-her-accusations position that I'm scum. I'd love for someone to do so, since she won't.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:43 pm
by Green Crayons
Also, since the basis for swag's "dave is obvtown" stance has been shot down by none other than dave himself, please provide your basis for belief that dave is obvtown.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:18 pm
by Malakittens
VOTE: GC

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:19 pm
by Titus
Mod: Can we get a deadline extension until a Picard replacement is found?
Partially self motivated as I don't really care to make a deadline lynch either while on VLA.

TTH, I know one of your heads really sees GC as scum, but I don't see it. If I can track the train of thought and it doesn't scream fake, I'll hard read the player pretty hard until the end game. That's what I am seeing wiht GC. I don't agree with them a lot (particularly on Kaboose) but we were able to work to see where the difference was. If we can, but just fundamentally disagree, I'm perfectly fine with letting the slot be town since I know my reads are usually pretty controversal. I actually get alarmed if my reads are not.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:17 pm
by Grib
Malakittens wrote:VOTE: GC


Anything else to say?

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:17 pm
by Malakittens
oh btw titus is town.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:18 pm
by Malakittens
Grib wrote:
Malakittens wrote:VOTE: GC


Anything else to say?


heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:30 pm
by Lone Ranger
Explain Titus town? Nothing that she said made any sense. It feels like she jumbled up her sentences in random order and spit them out.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:35 pm
by Grib
Malakittens wrote:heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.


Expand on what makes you feel GC is scum.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:13 pm
by Green Crayons
Lone Ranger wrote:Explain Titus town? Nothing that she said made any sense. It feels like she jumbled up her sentences in random order and spit them out.

Have you ever played with Titus before?

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:04 pm
by elleheathen
Malakittens wrote:
Grib wrote:
Malakittens wrote:VOTE: GC


Anything else to say?


heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.


Why is Picard scum?

And what was the something on this page that made you think GC was scum?

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:05 pm
by elleheathen
I have never not liked a naked vote more than that one.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:09 pm
by elleheathen
I'm not lynching GC. And you shouldn't, either.

That wagon is just...
wrong.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:11 pm
by elleheathen
Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

:neutral:

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:19 am
by Whatisswag
I am always happy to hammer.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:24 am
by Whatisswag
elleheathen wrote:Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

:neutral:


Why? green is only at L-3. Why do you even care about hammering at this point? Looks like scum team to me.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:56 am
by Titus
Green Crayons wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:Explain Titus town? Nothing that she said made any sense. It feels like she jumbled up her sentences in random order and spit them out.

Have you ever played with Titus before?


That's just a side effect of being me. I get thst complaint a lot. That is why I play mafia. It's a correct observation but not alignment indicative.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:57 am
by Titus
Whatisswag wrote:
elleheathen wrote:Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

:neutral:


Why? green is only at L-3. Why do you even care about hammering at this point? Looks like scum team to me.


I have mentioned just a few posts to freeze the deadline so I am not in trial during that time. This is another reach to paint town as scum.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:06 am
by Green Crayons
Titus wrote:That's just a side effect of being me. I get thst complaint a lot. That is why I play mafia. It's a correct observation but not alignment indicative.

Yes, that is why I'm asking if Ranger has ever played with you.

If not, then she's just suspicious of your playstyle.

If so, then I'm curious as to what specifically it is about your play, beyond style, that is bothering her.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:11 am
by Titus
I don't believe we have played with each other.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:13 am
by Heartless
Ooooooo, you're a lawyer? Interesting. Good luck with your trial. :]

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:29 am
by Kaboose
Malakittens wrote:
Grib wrote:
Malakittens wrote:VOTE: GC


Anything else to say?


heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.


I don't understand how you have a read on Picard tossed on there but not one on me, or elle, or LR? How do you read Picard as scum? Does it go back to the whole slot or is it something just Picard has done?

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:47 am
by Heartless
Titus wrote:TTH, I know one of your heads really sees GC as scum, but I don't see it. If I can track the train of thought and it doesn't scream fake, I'll hard read the player pretty hard until the end game. That's what I am seeing wiht GC. I don't agree with them a lot (particularly on Kaboose) but we were able to work to see where the difference was. If we can, but just fundamentally disagree, I'm perfectly fine with letting the slot be town since I know my reads are usually pretty controversal. I actually get alarmed if my reads are not.

If you don't see Antihero's points on him, I hope you can at least see that GC is giving both of us the runaround right now: burying Antihero in pointless, condescending hostility and me in tenuous arguments and "maybe I'll suspect you and maybe I won't" posturing.

The davesaz case just isn't there. I've had some experience with dave in previous games (Open 573: C9++ and micro 429: m9++) and I know that his style tends to get scum read for whatever reason. I think it's that he doesn't fully explain himself and he assumes people know what he's talking about more than they really do, but the reason isn't that important. The point is that he tends to catch heat for fairly superficial reasons. In this case it was for asking too many "pointless" questions and denying OMGUS without being accused of it, both of which are circumstantial at best. He actually explained the swag suspicion in , which Green Crayons acknowledged
and
approved of in so I'm not sure why he's suddenly acting like he doesn't understand dave's swag vote
now
. So what's the dave case now? That calling lurkers scum is a "scum cop out"? It only looks bad for dave when removed from the context of town reading most of the key active people.

So is there anything the dave scum read is based on that's not ... air? I don't think there is.

How
about
that Lone Ranger read? I'm looking through his activity right now and it looks like the only thing he's guilty of is scum reading GC. , , , , and are the best summaries there. The best response GC seems to muster is "Slander!" and something about shifting burden of proof. There's a distinct lack of proof of how Ranger is being dishonest and how the argument is bad and everything GC says in response is either a strawman or a short, glib dismissal. A lot like how he's treating Anti, and we already know our alignment. I suspect with similar treatments come similar alignments.

You're asking how Lone Ranger and Green Crayons are different, Titus?

When Lone Ranger tells you to go back and read the thread, there's actually something
there
to read.

Now he's acting like the conversation is over and we should just draw the line in the sand right now and see how it falls out. Oh, good. Let's do that then. I think GC is overconfident in how much he has us baffled with bullshit.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:52 am
by Kaboose
I can't tell if you're posting with hubris or if you're just completely convinced everything you say is always right.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:18 am
by Heartless
o.O

Neither.