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Oh and your wagon analysis is off. See Legends of the Hidden Temple.

I expect a townie to have voted for Spiffeh at some point, thus convincing scum the wagon has a chance.

If a scum is wagoned early, scum have two options. Bus or find a counter. I think we both can agree bus is not likely an option. So Klingon is thrown out as a counter suggestion.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:
That's an issue and poor town play or scum play. The devil is in the details. If you miss them because you're responding, then you aren't doing your team favors. My old teacher told me an adage (which I still break too much and will butcher.) God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen twice as much as you speak.

Alright, are you really calling me poor town or scum because I had not yet gotten around to reading in depth the request for reads as I was still reading the first part of the thread to catch up?

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I mean... What?! Mind if I ask why you expect me to read in depth the posts currently being posted in the thread and catch up with the thread reading those posts simultaneously? Because let's be honest, dear. That doesn't make sense at all. Why would I read posts in depth now that could be taken out of context later? Part of good reading is understanding the place the other person is coming from and glass I had not yet gotten to that place, I was not able to properly read. Calm down, please. I am, in fact, trying to work with you. But give me time. You ask for a decision now, but I still feel the need to gather information. It is out of my comfort zone to try to put down a decision so quickly and I don't like being pressured.

Going with the supposition that Klingon is town momentarily.

I would expect scum to vehemently white knight Klingon's wagon while actively avoiding any counters. TWIE fits this profile but he is an ass and does it to avoid my vca. The wagoners on the baby wagons would be more likely to be scum. The only exception would be a wagoner who jumps on Spifflop despite stating something like Klingon is still scum.

Klingoncelt is the type of person scum push as a first or last resort if scum. If she was town, her wagon should have been rapid as fuck. It wasn't. It's a name here and a name there gradually.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:
That's an issue and poor town play or scum play. The devil is in the details. If you miss them because you're responding, then you aren't doing your team favors. My old teacher told me an adage (which I still break too much and will butcher.) God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen twice as much as you speak.

Alright, are you really calling me poor town or scum because I had not yet gotten around to reading in depth the request for reads as I was still reading the first part of the thread to catch up?

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I mean... What?! Mind if I ask why you expect me to read in depth the posts currently being posted in the thread and catch up with the thread reading those posts simultaneously? Because let's be honest, dear. That doesn't make sense at all. Why would I read posts in depth now that could be taken out of context later? Part of good reading is understanding the place the other person is coming from and glass I had not yet gotten to that place, I was not able to properly read. Calm down, please. I am, in fact, trying to work with you. But give me time. You ask for a decision now, but I still feel the need to gather information. It is out of my comfort zone to try to put down a decision so quickly and I don't like being pressured.

I expect you to slow down so you can digest it. I am trying to work with you. Posting before understanding is poor play. I am telling you that because I want you to be better and not dismissed as a village idiot or scum.

I'm not interested in speaking to you at this moment. I need more time and space. I don't like how manipulative you're being- I understand it's in your nature, so I'm trying to keep it in context but you must understand that I have a few ideas about how this could go horribly wrong so I'm asking you to let me do this right.

PEdit: awesome. Thank you. Then you'll understand why I want to speak to Joanne first before following up with you. And the fact that you believed that I had caught up enough in the thread shows that you are not reading enough to know that I fleas not in a place to read and analyze your request for reads properly

Call me in thread when you want to talk.

I have been wanting you two to discuss Elyse for ages. Jeanne isn't giving me specific reasons so maybe since you agree with her there, you will help her.

We're all manipulative. It's all our nature. I am just up front about it. If you can't see my agenda, worry.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:So I had to study, but now I am back. Eagle, what are your reads?

Off the top of my head?
Spifflop null-scum, but clears kling and I like the way people reacted to this wagon in that there some..... Interesting reactions. Hoping for maybe more of those

Itlepip null-town he's very sure of himself and kinda sees what he wants when he reads and so people tell Jim go back and when he does he sees what he wants. Needs to take a step away from game and think about things

Elyse freaking scummy all over the place not very protown player maybe a nub with nub playstyle that needs work I guesss? Is that why sues being townread? Oh well spiffle might clear her. She's mediocre and needs to get her hands dirty

Passionate Storm is town when careful, scum whenshes not which Ames me think town but the AtE last night, some of her confbias and her OMGUS-like reactions to the Klingon spittle scandal make me suspicious. Very very manipulative and I'm scared this town block she's trying to get going might be a trap with her scum at the head of it. Recent interactions seem less and less motivated to reach a conclusion as a group and more and more like forcing her conclusion on the world, which might be personal style but also might be her knowing thought and doing well figures out she's talking weird

Aneninen is towny talking about towny things kinda very caught up in role fishing with varsoon. I think both of these people are town probably but I would love to hear their answer to my question about whether or not they will be partaking in lynch today


Shiro is kinda jn the null camp looking out at the world

Randomidget and twie need to start pushing things or theyr going to get pushed

Errant is scummy when he isn't paying attention butbtown when he is. I don't like his bursting and someone of his logic seems off.

Tso said he would get to Elyse and give both wagons a chance bit seems to have forgotten. He seems somewhat satisfied with the way things are which makes me think maybe both spittle and kling are town.

AJ needs to do something about her reads I dont like how she just sits on. Then but they can be kind of good. I get a weird feeling about her

Dapper is thinking and noticed some things that I've agreed with. Like his observations. One of the few people, I think who I'm gonna say I think if spittle flips town I'm going to be suspicious of the person leading the wagon on. Maybe needs to be reevaluated

Garmr isn't worth my time optimal scum play, crappy town play. If I'm feeling confident and don't know who else to vote off, I might push a policy lynch against him

This is from memory, mine of which is not the best, and not an official reads list either, if you havbe a question or want to challenge something that isn't stupid here I'll try and quote a post for you. Stupid is left to being defined by me

@page 46 spiffy seems to be getting hot under the collar. Also people are bullshitting on my reads so hard. Will tespond to itle's points as he did do more than just go 'thes os scurm hurr durr'

Not a fan of that Garmr read EE coming from you. Any guess why?

Was Titus there. My bad.

↑ Spifflop wrote:Town: Passionate Storm, Elyse, itlepip, EP, TSO, Aunt Jemima, Garmr, Aneninen

Scum: Klingon, randomidget, Alchemist, grapes

Everyone else is null.
I can't tell if Jaqen is scum with Klingon throwing her a bone or is just stubborn town.
The way so many people latched onto his shit case makes me think scum are trying to hide behind it and he is actually town.

~Spiffy

Not liking Titus as much. They are leaning townards null-scum now.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Not a fan of that Garmr read EE coming from you. Any guess why?

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Was Titus there. My bad.

Dang. Getting my hopes up like that. Any word from her? Is it hopeless?

And no, I dont need to guess, I an aware of both the perceived irony and the appearance of OMGUS

↑ Randomnamechange wrote:@page 46 spiffy seems to be getting hot under the collar. Also people are bullshitting on my reads so hard. Will tespond to itle's points as he did do more than just go 'thes os scurm hurr durr'

Oh hey another guy that resorts to writing my responses off as emotional instead of actually considering them!

Seriously there is an obvious pattern here. Everyone on my wagon (except for EE who at least tried) has refused to get in an actual dialogue with me but continues to misrepresent me.

Eagle please tell me how you're comfortable with this?

~Spiffy

scum-butt random midget, grapes, random midget and fucking "is he in this game?" peregrine v on one wagon

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Spifflop null-scum, but clears kling and I like the way people reacted to this wagon in that there some..... Interesting reactions. Hoping for maybe more of those

Again you're just assuming I will flip scum with no basis behind it. Selecting a lynch solely because it would clear someone is ridiculous, but if you're going to use it you have to at least acknowledge the other side of it: If Klingon flips scum and this game is single ball, it clears myself, Titus, probably itlepip, probably Elyse. And why go for the information lynch on us over Klingon who can't form a coherent read on everyone?

Another thing Eagle. What do you think about this post?

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:

↑ itlepip wrote:
Give me 1 single post where klingon actually does something to move town forward. She hasn't pushed anyone at all this game, nor has she defended herself. How is not defending yourself town if you aren't going to scumhunt? The whole point of voting is because the reactions people give when pressured can be used to form reads.

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepip

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

Tell me the reason for this vote. You're continuously giving Klingon the benefit of the doubt and criticizing us for...what exactly? I'm still not really sure.
As Titus said, Klingon has trouble articulating reads and making pushes as scum. This is case in fucking point.

~Spiffy

spiffeh you never talk to me on gchat anymore

↑ Spifflop wrote:
Eagle please tell me how you're comfortable with this?

~Spiffy

I like that you're getting pushed. I'm hoping to get a couple things out of this:
1. A solid reads list that you have thought out and kind of sort of stick to instead of calling people scum for just oppoaing your ideas
2. A reevaluation of both wagons
3. A couple stronger reads and at least one solid town read I feel comfortable blocking with
4. Maybe a couple more town finding other town and agreeing on a lynch instead of the chaos we have now.

@spiffy that's fine for her reading kling. I don't exactly have the strongest of town reads on Titus right now, I would love Joannes thoughts on the matter.

But like I said earlier while her posts hold an individual scumminess in and of themselves, I have not seen a whole lot of scum motivation coming from her but I will reevaluate the moment Joanne gets here

In my mind a good day one for town is played a lot like rvs. Things done somewhat randomly, a lot of somewhat nonsensical pushes and reads, but overall a necessary evil

@itlepip
Pls read my last post

@EE
Jeanne is incompetent. Don't hold your breath. I also don't understand how I haven't been "getting dirty" - I've pushed Kling and was the first to call out randomidget. I've called Jaqen's case bullshit and dismantled your case before it got so full of misreps that no one was taking it seriously and I didn't bother trying. You literally make things up to fit your narrative.

@Jaqen
As someone who is "cleared" from a Spiff scumflip, how do you feel that I am against it?

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:
Why include people you can't read? Whyam I not there? Why no strong stances? Why don't you have spiffehlop and itep reads!

The no strong stance thing is the only legit question. It should be obvious to you that she was going in alphabetical order. So everybody up to Eagle. That should have answered that question. I really can't believe you'd miss that.

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:
Why include people you can't read? Whyam I not there? Why no strong stances? Why don't you have spiffehlop and itep reads!

The no strong stance thing is the only legit question. It should be obvious to you that she was going in alphabetical order. So everybody up to Eagle. That should have answered that question. I really can't believe you'd miss that.

If she was going in abc order, then why wasn't the wall posted with names in abc order? It wasn't obvious to me.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ itlepip wrote:
The difference is that they haven't made posts like 'fast wagons are made by scum' that are complete BS.

You think that fast wagons aren't often made by scum? Because I think that often enough they are. And the fact that she's claiming this makes me think she's town because why? Because she automatically assumes the leaders of her wagon are scum because she's town and thinks she's intentionally getting mislynched. Because as a mafia players, you don't automatically OMGUS people voting you, you distract or ignore or don't respond, like Elyse is doing. You find elsewhere. You stay out of the thread long enough that people bore of you and find something else eye-catching and then you come back and talk about how scummy that eye-catching thing is.

So what do you make of her wagon stalling and counterwagons popping up to oppose it?

@Stormy: Meh. I saw it. But it's not as important now as it was during my primary read.