@ofrzh,
1285. So the tldr of your ruru townread is that you think her playstyle is inherently passive and that in that framework, her playstyle has been consistent?
Thing is that I find that passiveness to be scummy, even if it's part of her personality. For example, I don't think that going after the lurkers is town-indicative like you do; I think it's low-hanging-fruit-y. It's a lot easier to make it look like you're busy by pressuring the lurkers than pressuring the active players who'll, like, respond to you. Like for scum, it's a lot easier to take the stance of 'let's pressure the lurkers' than to take the stance 'I think active player A is scummy because of the following reasons'.
Like not responding to votes on her is weird. She just feels kinda out of it, if that makes sense? Like not really following the main threads? I just get this overall vibe that she isn't really engaging with people. I think that scum!ruru may have thought that a lurker wagon on drixx may have been a good push for that reason.
I don't know if I'm giving scioness the benefit of the doubt so much as I don't think the reasons people are scumreading her are compelling. Like the PR question wasn't a PR question to me, and it's kinda a reach imo to read that question as PR hunting.
I think that there's probably one scum off and one scum on the wagon, if I had to guess.
In order, off the wagon, I think scum is probably: {ruru, pin, NSG}.
On the wagon, I think scum is probably: {oxy, ofrzh, scioness}
Also, the notion of 'townreading someone by PoE' is kinda bizarre to me. Like I can understand 'not scumreading someone by PoE', but to me that's distinct from *townreading* someone.
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In
1291, Oxy highlights some of Scioness's commentary on ofrzh's
1234.
What's pinging me about 1234 is that ofrzh assumes that scioness is going to push a ruru/ofrzh team and is pre-emptively defending against that. I don't think scioness had proclaimed anywhere "I think the team is ruru/ofrzh", so this is kinda weird response?
Actually I went back to reread 1234, and that whole post is kinda weird? Ofrzh says he needs to show he's townie to defend against scioness pushing ruru/ofrzh, and he does so by voting scioness.
Like if he thinks scioness is town, he shouldn't be voting her there.
If he thinks scioness is scum, it makes sense to vote her but it's weird to frame the vote as a 'defense' to something a scumread hasn't really pushed yet. Like for ofrzh to vote scioness cuz she wants to push a ruru lynch to defend himself is a weird reaction.
Like the vote in 1234 is some sort of weird preventative OMGUS framed as defending himself from a scioness push almost?
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1311 kinda articulates the weirdness)
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In post 1295, ofrhz wrote:Like I can kinda already see skitter doing this with Oxy with her whole "Oxy is townish but also could be scum." Does that make sense?
You're kinda stripping away the nuance from my read.
My read on oxy is: I understand the reasons math was townreading him logically but my gut still feels like there's something off there. I guess I can accept him as a provisional townread atm and stop pushing him for now, but I do think he makes a lot of sense as a ruru partner, so if ruru ever flipped red, my townread on him would have become weaker in that specific context.
Also I don't understand why you're framing a scioness push on you as a scumslip? Like I don't see a scumslip here, so this is another example of people pushing scumreads on her that I don't really get and/or don't find compelling.
note to self for later: I got up to 1311.