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In post 1323, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:

In post 1321, the worst wrote:Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

If you think I would ever tell you to fuck off as scum, then our friendship has been an absolute sham.

I think this frustration comes from town who's been wrongly accused OR from scum who feels caught for the wrong reason. I actually think we're good enough friends that I understand it's just a game, and I'm willing to put ingame stuff behind us or talk to you if I feel upset post-game.

other stuff I want to talk about when a certain game finishes (off-site)

In post 1322, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:

In post 1319, the worst wrote:first nsg now you. nice.

why should I be townreading you?

Because I’m telling you the truth, not that it matters to either of you. I am not scum here and I completely understand why NSG felt pushed out of this game now. I really do understand how she feels. Because it fucking hurts like hell to be wrongly scumread and you should know, that’s what I’m so upset about. I’m not lying to you. I have actually never falsely claimed vt afaik. This is fucking Necromancer, Pinball and June light game, all rolled into one. I don’t know how to handle feeling ganged up on this way. But I feel as bad as I did in June light game, when I couldn’t get anyone to believe me there either. I wish this was another jester game, so I could just self-vote and be done with it but it’s not. :/

P.edit. Fucking autocorrect understand not undressed.

I feel the worst for Ari because he is suffering because of what I’ve been dealing with.

In post 1324, the worst wrote:Basically like you've got a pretty broad scumrange wrt emotions + selfmeta cognisance so I wanna see the back side of that. what part of your play here do you think should be making sheep and/or me go "oh yeah ok Nancy is town"?

In post 1323, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:

In post 1321, the worst wrote:Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

If you think I would ever tell you to fuck off as scum, then our friendship has been an absolute sham.

You clearly think I fucking care more about winning a stupid game more than our friendship?

You honestly think that little of me?

realistically I'm about equally as upset whether you'd call me bad as town or call me bad as scum -- like being earnest doesn't mean I'm suddenly okay with being called bad. same with nsg's exist posts here. they transparently disregarded what was happening in the actual thread just to deflect people's scumreads and I'm left like "ok but we're playing a game about manipulating people and catching people out on manipulation........ ┐(´д｀)┌

basically I have enough respect for your game that I don't think you're readable by "Nancy calls people shit when she's town", I also don't think it's like a great thing to do regardless of alignment, but it's not something I'm going to take personally because it's a game and getting passionate is part of the fun. you're perfectly capable of twisting meta to your advantage as scum as well and I'm still not sure why I'm meant to be townreading you...

In post 1325, the worst wrote:

In post 1323, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:

In post 1321, the worst wrote:Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

If you think I would ever tell you to fuck off as scum, then our friendship has been an absolute sham.

I think

this frustration comes from town who's been wrongly accused

OR from scum who feels caught for the wrong reason. I actually think we're good enough friends that I understand it's just a game, and I'm willing to put ingame stuff behind us or talk to you if I feel upset post-game.

other stuff I want to talk about when a certain game finishes (off-site)

I never react this way as “caught scum”, because as scum I would know I was being read correctly, so it really wouldn’t hurt my feelings. The exception to that was in Heroes when Tora took Acid’s side against me wrt June light game, because I was still raw over that and I don’t ever fake my emotions and I don’t take being scumread personally, if it’s actually true. Which is why I usually get townread for my reactions to that. I can get tilted for being scumread as scum for the wrong reasons but never actually hurt. I would get hurt at being told my emotions are fake, always, because that’s never the case. My emotions are always 100% genuine and sheep needs to stop saying that I fake that.

But what is really painful, is this does feel like that game (MU June Light Game) to me, because literally nothing I did in that game mattered and that’s what is so upsetting. Fortunately I’m vt here and not vig, so at least I don’t have to worry about choking. The only good replacement experience I’ve had so far, was Undertale. Maybe, I should only replace lurkers from now on?

eh I might have seen a poor example of your scumgame, you did wear your heart on your sleeve plenty in Heroes Wanted.

eh either way you're actually playing the game and will spew content which is.... a start. it's gonna sound a bit superficial given respect for both of your scumranges but I'll actually think very differently of both you and NSG as players if you've both resorted to calling me outright bad for misreading you while ignoring thread evidence. I'm pretty sure this is pushing on just not being a wolfslot/potentially a bit of twtbaw

VOTE: mastina

fyi please please do not feel like you need to swear and insult people to be townread, as you're town here. there are so many other merits to your towngame which shine through esp. later in the game. Talk more on this in a couple of weeks assuming we're both here.

In post 1328, the worst wrote:realistically I'm about equally as upset whether you'd call me bad as town or call me bad as scum -- like being earnest doesn't mean I'm suddenly okay with being called bad. same with nsg's exist posts here. they transparently disregarded what was happening in the actual thread just to deflect people's scumreads and I'm left like "ok but we're playing a game about manipulating people and catching people out on manipulation........ ┐(´д｀)┌

basically I have enough respect for your game that I don't think you're readable by "Nancy calls people shit when she's town", I also don't think it's like a great thing to do regardless of alignment, but it's not something I'm going to take personally because it's a game and getting passionate is part of the fun. you're perfectly capable of twisting meta to your advantage as scum as well and I'm still not sure why I'm meant to be townreading you...

I’m legit hurt that you think I would put winning a game over our friendship. Do you honestly believe I would ever do that? See, this genuinely does hurt me, because it implies you think I have no ethics. I do not believe in playing dirty and it offends me that you think I would do that. I dunno, I once was really mean to someone who was agressively pushing me - obviously think they were a wolf and I felt like complete shit, when they flipped green. If I felt that bad doing that as town, do you seriously think I would ever be okay with KNOWINGLY doing that as scum?

That's absolutely not what I mean - I know for a fact you wouldn't put winning over our friendship. I think our friendship is strong enough that we both know a game is a game. emotions soar during mafia... that's just a part of the fact we have to stand here and call each other lying scumfucks.

I will have a chat to you post-game about anything you ever do that upsets me & I'd trust you to do the same to me. that doesn't mean I'll ever go easy on you just because we're friends and I'd expect the same - that keeps the game fun.

In post 1331, the worst wrote:fyi please please do not feel like you need to swear and insult people to be townread, as you're town here. there are so many other merits to your towngame which shine through esp. later in the game. Talk more on this in a couple of weeks assuming we're both here.

I wasn’t being strategic and no, I’m not proud of my behaviour, which is why I think I should replace out. This is not the way I like to play. I like to think I’m better than that.

In post 1333, the worst wrote:That's absolutely not what I mean - I know for a fact you wouldn't put winning over our friendship. I think our friendship is strong enough that we both know a game is a game. emotions soar during mafia... that's just a part of the fact we have to stand here and call each other lying scumfucks.

I will have a chat to you post-game about anything you ever do that upsets me & I'd trust you to do the same to me. that doesn't mean I'll ever go easy on you just because we're friends and I'd expect the same - that keeps the game fun.

What is your read on lolwagons? I didn’t get great vibes from them?

I don't townread them. InfiniteSoda's posting was like lolnewbscum but they're kinda in that murky space where they could potentially really go either way. on like a surface level their play looks towny enough and I like the way they're interacting and pushing the game along and stuff but also.... this is like wolfsiding shit and I'm not sure I vibe the way he's positioning me into being a lynch. I honestly doubt I'm a long-term viable mislynch in this game; too many people familiar with my meta but I don't think someone who's reading this game cold to my familiarity with players necessarily registers that. like tl;dr I don't think someone actually enters the thread rn and goes "hey I think tw is a wolf and I'm ignoring mastina's lol!logic so I'm gonna say we should just lynch him either today or tomorrow lolz" - it feels like the type of mislynch a wolf who doesn't know me would go for

just not sure if this is like overly introverted and just Not A Thing That Catches Wolves so I've been biding my time a little to watch him interact with something more meaningful and interesting

In post 1218, LolWagons wrote:That slot is concerned strictly with survival and fomenting doubt through emotional appeals and

it reminds me a lot of a certain US president who flails when he’s caught blatantly being wrong.

Sorry to be political but not really because the comparison is uncanny

Yes, you should 100% be absolutely sorry for this post. Forget about trump, any ruthless despots, vile monarchs or fascists I remind you of?

Your post is kind of disgusting btw.

In post 1337, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:

In post 1218, LolWagons wrote:That slot is concerned strictly with survival and fomenting doubt through emotional appeals and

it reminds me a lot of a certain US president who flails when he’s caught blatantly being wrong.

Sorry to be political but not really because the comparison is uncanny

Yes, you should 100% be absolutely sorry for this post. Forget about trump, any ruthless despots, vile monarchs or fascists I remind you of?

Your post is kind of disgusting btw.

In post 1217, LolWagons wrote:Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

Cuz you’re a freaking expert on me?

Oh yeah, I forgot, apparently you think I have orange hair. Sorry for the misrep.

In post 1220, the worst wrote:

In post 1217, LolWagons wrote:Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

literally Nancy's scum meta is telling people she's done nothing AI too

No, that isn’t true at all. I did that both in Excalibur, Overkill 2 and some other games I can’t even remember.

In post 1184, skitter30 wrote:idk i ignored all the outrage; i'm not sure how much of it was ai; i've def seen her freak out at not being townread as town

but it feels very over-the-top and makes me kinda uncomfortable to read three pages of people freaking out and swearing at people and i just don't like it so i'm ignoring it and not using it either way

pedit sure UNVOTE:

I apologize for that. Fwiw, I don’t think it was okay.

In post 1262, LolWagons wrote:

In post 1261, skitter30 wrote:bad
feels like bussing; kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense
calling it filthy kinda feels like he thinks it may flip town and is setting up to push on wagon tomorrow
(i know that the above two are contradictory)

I know I just swung my c*ck around on the Meph lynch but now I almost feel like TW is a safer bet

But I’m also going to kick myself in the ass if I don’t lynch this slot, die, and it gets to endgame.

Ewwwwwwweeeee. Gross.

God, I signed up for Mafia not porn. Yuck.

In post 1268, LolWagons wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Worst

I don’t think Mastina is scum with TW based on the first half or so of her ISO and I’m becoming increasingly wary of this slot. I find myself thinking that regardless of the Nancy flip that both TWs hops on and off the NSG/Nancy wagon have been bad. I can’t believe I went from where I was at thirty posts ago to here but I think this is the right move.

Are you saying, you think Mastina is scum or not?

In post 1271, LolWagons wrote:

In post 1269, skitter30 wrote:

In post 1262, LolWagons wrote:

In post 1261, skitter30 wrote:bad
feels like bussing; kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense
calling it filthy kinda feels like he thinks it may flip town and is setting up to push on wagon tomorrow
(i know that the above two are contradictory)

I know I just swung my c*ck around on the Meph lynch but now I almost feel like TW is a safer bet

But I’m also going to kick myself in the ass if I don’t lynch this slot, die, and it gets to endgame.

i don't want meph anywhere close to endgame
not sure if i want to lynch tw today. he kinda feels weird still. and has a bunch of bad posts. filthy sounds like he's shading the wagon so i don't like that he's voting there *while* calling it filthy

i'm becoming a little paranoid that meph may be town given how close to everyone except for like nibbui and maybe mastina have this read
but then i get paranoid a lot about this sort of thing so idk

Meh. The more it sits with me the more I feel like TW could be bussing but the whole “this wagon is filthy” while still being on it really gave me some bad feels about voting Nancy and I thought I could power through them but I don’t think I can, not given the previous unvote/vote of NSG.

Since I’m NOT scum here, this isn’t even possible.

In post 1275, LolWagons wrote:

In post 1273, skitter30 wrote:yeah i feel bussing + trying to shade the wagon which is kinda contradictory
unless he's trying to go the angle of: scum must have bussed so we need to look onwagon tomorrow but then why does he put himself on wagon?

I mean if he thinks scum is bussing then the target is scum so therefore that’s fine. That’s consistent.

I just think Nancy is scum. But I find myself scumreading TW regardless of Nancy’s flip. And so logically I grow more comfortable with TW.

I don’t like this post. It reads to me like you are setting me up to follow tw lynch, before you even know what he’ll flip. I think you and Mastina could possibly be linked. And if tw flips green, then you could mislynch me and it wouldn’t look scummy.

In post 1277, LolWagons wrote:I’m retrospect it might have been more strategic to not pressure him to vote that slot, but live and learn.

So, you’re scumreading him because of a vote, you pressured him to make? What?

Hmmm, I've something to say here but read all of it, carefully, before anyone jumping to any conclusions.

Nancy in Heroes PT:

I am not usually obvtown read from the getgo, despite what Ank said. They’re are definite differences between my town and scum games but only someone who knows my play, really really well, would ever pick up on them.

I will never be townread based on AtE ever again, since for me, that’s totally NAI.

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I think what Acid said to you back then was bad, but look, here you need to recognize that you used that to manipulate Toranaga in feeling bad for suspecting you when you were actually a wolf:

In post 533, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 530, Toranaga wrote:

In post 529, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 515, Toranaga wrote:I don't wanna be the one pushing nancy cause reasons but she pings me as scum since very early and quite a lot.

Based on? You also thought that Acid had valid reasons to wolfread me in the light game. I wasn’t scum there and I’m not here either.

I’m sure you wish I was though. Sorry to disapoint.

I didn't play that game and all I said was that acid wasn't

nasty

or

treated you viciously

. I could care less what his read looked like, but I'm defending his right to say everything he said about you without being misrepresented as a nasty vicious player. everyone who read his posts agree with me.

anyway let's not do this? I'm trying to avoid it. if you're town I'll figure out soon enough and I have absolutely 0 wanting of you being a wolf or whatever.

I mean that you probably wish I wasn’t in this game, amirite?

Like here, you think that it's something personal when really, it's not. He was simply scum reading you and everytime someone suspected you, you always thought that it wasn't a *valid reason* and you say this in the Mafia PT:

I’m not going down guys and don’t bus me, please. There is no logical reason to suspect me at this point.

So just freaking chill. I got this.

To make justice though, you didn't use AtE when you replaced in Witches Halloween in a scum slot. You were pretty chill there indeed.

Also, your AtE here isn't what I would expect from scum!you, it really seems like frustated town!you.

I'm only posting this to make you understand where The worst is coming from regardless of his aligment, it's really not personal Nancy. It's just that in Heroes your scum game used of AtE, and that is one of your unique scum games in MS. If I look on for example on your scum game on MTG or in Witches, I can see why you think that this behavior is a town tell for you, but considering what happened in Heroes, people are still going to somewhat suspect you.

I recommend that when you eventually roll scum again, you actually don't use as much AtE as you used on Heroes because that will make your argument sounds convicing. I particularly think the perfect example of what you want to do in regards to that is be more or less like Sakura Hana.

She somewhat uses AtE as scum but it's very subdued, not-aggressive and weak. Also, although she only uses strong AtE as town, she doesn't always use it as a "trust tell" (what is not allowed in the site) except when she is very frustated with the game (as you're now and I understand you, I already got very frustated on Mafia as well).

again, for now and I'll let you breath and give your thoughts in the thread so that we can read you better, and I was trying to do that anyway since the start.

Then yeah, for now I'm town reading Nancy's slot although I'll be very, very let down if you're ever scum here (but I don't think you are!).

Then yeah:

Town
Podoboq
Mephistophanes

Likely Town
Pink Ball

I don't want lynched today
Skitter
Lolwagons
(maybe duck)

So in duck's readlist he had Nancy and LolWagons as scum and mastina as null; Nibbui asked him what's up with mastina and he replied that she towntelled because she read him backwards, but that she could go either way. Now that Nancy towntelled, the duck votes mastina.

Nibbui, not lynching the duck for being charismatic... I feel you, I really do. But duck's flip is better; I'll even say that, if I'm wrong about the worst, from my PoV the game would be solved in D2.