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In post 1291, Nachomamma8 wrote:and these are genuine requests. it feels good to be back and to have people calling me town and saying that they're glad to see me but i think the game cracks open pretty solidly with a chemist lynch.
i feel the {Hectic, Psyche, Farkan, Chara} core is a pretty solid one and am open to prodding at those four.

i'm still gonna reread in the meantime but i'm high on life and ready to take a shot at living the dream so am more than happy to procrastinate on finishing on the read in the meantime unless there's something crazy i'm missing currently (like another player) but i don't think so!

In post 1296, Bingle wrote:TLDR Hectic/Chara look aligned, hectics reasons for tr Chara apply equally well to replica and are thus maybe faked, and I’m pretty sure there was a third reason, but I don’t remember what it is.

In post 1302, Bingle wrote:

In post 1297, Chara wrote:Farkran also mentioned town having no reason to delay their own spare, though i disagree with that point pretty heavily given scum has even more reason not to delay their own spare.

For the record both town and scum have reasons to delay their own spare, especially D1.

Town could want to continue influencing the thread or they could think the spare route is likely to be infiltrated by mafia.

Scum, OTOH, need to continue looking town after being spared unless we literally spare both of them.

Fark, do you agree that this is/was your opinion? Has it changed? Why?

In post 1297, Chara wrote:pedit: that's also a TLDR. Farkran also mentioned town having no reason to delay their own spare, though i disagree with that point pretty heavily given

scum has even more reason

not

to delay their own spare.

In post 1299, Nachomamma8 wrote:i can also see chemist town tone early.

but chemist tone after i went on my long hiatus isn't so great and his progression from the "pine is just LHF and scum is pushing him" stage to his current reads are also not great.

In post 1317, Bingle wrote:HURT: popsofyourface

HEAL: hectic

Ok.

In post 1320, Replica wrote:I'm glad to see you flip your read on Chemist but feel like you might have taken it too far the other way, I think metaing him of all people should actually be really useful.

I think defending the lurkers+once when he asked a "Is that why you...?" question over a more open-ended one were the only things of his that have made me frown. Thinking about it, I could see him trying to pocket Farkran by only tackling his half of our exchange late in Day 1 but that's really tenuous and goes against my single strongest read atm.

In post 1294, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1242, Farkran wrote:This is the correct level of paranoia to have around me. Or anyone, really, unless you have such strong meta experience with a player that you can bypass standard ways of hunting. There are people with near unlimited scumranges. Townreading said people under certain circumstances is ok, but those reads should never be 100% strength level in one sense or the other. I think this also applies to Hectic, or Bingle for that matter. Or Amrun herself.

like call me a skeptic but don't you think it's a little unreasonable that Fark says that Hectic has a near unlimited scumrange when he's played two games as scum and neither of those games were particularly impressive? when both games he played as scum featured a flat tone and a lack of his glowing and engaged personality?

In post 1324, Farkran wrote:

In post 1274, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 638, SherlockHolmes wrote:although I still do not think that sparing is anything other than terrible for D1 and really dislike that his last meaningful activity was pushing that especially when he earlier called it out as suboptimal

that's just how the game turned out for me.
if i had a scumread that didn't suck i would have pursued it, but i didn't. instead i had a townread that i felt really good about. so i pushed the townread. i don't understand why that was a sticking point for anyone.

I wish to reiterate a random thought that i had mentioned earlier but i didn't gave it enough importance.

Why was sherlock killed over hectic, if hectic is THAT widely townread? Note that i didn't start pushing Hectic before night 1. I was mostly pushing Chara, Replica, and to some extent Psyche. Sherlock was widely townread too, but i think there is another significant difference: sherlock was really strong against spares - he only changed his mind when he noticed conftown!suji - whereas Hectic immediately entered d2 with a 4-spared route advertisement.

In post 1327, Farkran wrote:

In post 1297, Chara wrote:pedit: that's also a TLDR. Farkran also mentioned town having no reason to delay their own spare, though i disagree with that point pretty heavily given

scum has even more reason

not

to delay their own spare.

WHY?

FN wasn't outed yet, it would have been optimal play for a spare-based strategy to have the FN use his powers over night and spare him today, in exchange for a 1/8 chance he would have been killed n1. Town!Hectic had all the reasons in the world to end the day quickly, whereas scum!Hectic got to be widely townread and is STILL widely townread - there was no reason to think that would change and scum!Hectic has no fear of being NKed either.

In post 309, Hectic wrote:HURT: Pine

In post 336, Chara wrote:Pine might be someone i'd wrestle with as well, i don't know if there is much difference between them besides Asriel being the one to have ignored me a few times now. i know he's busy with his chores, but really.

In post 340, alimdia wrote:Thinking Nacho. He posted but didn't respond to my posts.

Otherwise Pine or Asriel.

Sparing Hectic probably works because if he's scum then we kinda deserve the loss

In post 1268, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 382, Chara wrote:i do wonder about his list of reads, because from calling Replica "disingenous" (with negative connotations?) i didn't expect a strong townread.

i thought that replica's portrayal of your posting was a bit slimy and overly critical in that he seemed to be fitting a square peg into a round hole. i don't think that's necessarily a scum trait; again, don't think that scum replaces in and starts pushing a you+me team unless they feel they have a case that can get them some support or clout and the push as a whole didn't read that way.

In post 388, Chemist1422 wrote:

In post 383, Chara wrote:

In post 343, Chemist1422 wrote:

In post 342, Chara wrote:where do you see scum, Chemist?

not hectic
probably not you, rep, or asriel
I feel like pine is a cop-out push at this point so slightly lean town there

so that leaves sherlock/nacho/alim/amrun/suji

will probably work through this soon

when you say cop-out push, do you mean you think scum are pushing it, or just LHF?

Just LHF but I do think scum are probably pushing it if I’m right

this is a weird position to push when there was exactly 0 people voting for pine at that point in time.
what did pine do that read town to you? why is it scummy to think that someone who has done absolutely nothing has a chance of being scum?

In post 1279, Nachomamma8 wrote:currently at the point where the scumteam is exactly {Chemist, Amrun} and now that the rest of my reread will either be finding ammo for those two reads or finding places to make snarky comments while waiting for something else to jump out at me, but.......

In post 1309, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 963, Chemist1422 wrote:Ah alright

Hectic, I initially townread you because I liked your progression into solving.

fun fact - this isn't actually true.
chemist started reading Hectic as town roundabouts #24, at a time when Hectic hadn't done anything resembling solving.

In post 1311, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1026, Chemist1422 wrote:My Nacho read is based on one central thing: I think they are having trouble making genuine reads. I don't like them repeatedly going "I disagree with this but Chemist is still town", it feels like them trying to justify a TMI townread, I don't like the abundance of mechanics talk, and I don't like their scum pool being mostly lurkers then them proceeding to lurk.

i disagreed with your townreads but thought you were town anyways.
you disagree with farkran's scumreads but think he's town anyways.

man that's crazy how life works right???

Difference is that I actually gave reasoning on my Farkran townread and engaged with him, neither of which you did with me

the mechanics talk attack is bullllllcrap. mechanics talk has been rampant throughout the game and a big proponent of it has been your second strongest townread Farkran. what makes mine scummy and his OK?

He was actually solving alongside it

You weren't

i don't understand why me having lurkers in my leftover pool is scummy or why my lurking after that point was scummy?

c o n t r a d i c t i o n

i don't think that this case is a case being presented by someone who is actually trying to figure out my alignment (or anyone else's, for that matter). i think that chemist needs to die by a shiny holy fire.

uwu

In post 1331, Nachomamma8 wrote:Farkran - you seem to be viewing my Hectic read through the lens of "would this read be good if someone had it on me?" when in actuality the reason I am emphasizing Hectic's meta is twofold - one, he doesn't have a lot of experience playing scum, and two, he's extraordinarily uncomfortable when playing scum, which is the important piece. You don't get over being scared when you post as scum in a couple of months.

Second thing that I'll address right this second is I take exception with your assertion that wrong = bad. I was wrong yesterday; doesn't mean that I was bad. The only bad thing about your play right now is that you're reading with the intent to respond instead of actually listening to what people are posting; if you go all Rambo with your reads they're gonna suck more often and not simply because the game is too hard to be soloed.

In post 1334, Amrun wrote:

In post 1327, Farkran wrote:

In post 1297, Chara wrote:pedit: that's also a TLDR. Farkran also mentioned town having no reason to delay their own spare, though i disagree with that point pretty heavily given

scum has even more reason

not

to delay their own spare.

WHY?

FN wasn't outed yet, it would have been optimal play for a spare-based strategy to have the FN use his powers over night and spare him today, in exchange for a 1/8 chance he would have been killed n1. Town!Hectic had all the reasons in the world to end the day quickly, whereas scum!Hectic got to be widely townread and is STILL widely townread - there was no reason to think that would change and scum!Hectic has no fear of being NKed either.

I don’t think most scum assume the tides of being widely town read will continue tbh. I think that’s a faulty premise.

In post 1338, Chemist1422 wrote:

In post 1279, Nachomamma8 wrote:currently at the point where the scumteam is exactly {Chemist, Amrun} and now that the rest of my reread will either be finding ammo for those two reads or finding places to make snarky comments while waiting for something else to jump out at me, but.......

I don't see where the read on me came from other than you not liking me defending the Pine/Asriel slots

And even if that's your issue, you still aren't putting me in a team with them

In post 1341, Farkran wrote:Scum!Chemist = i literally cannot see a reason for him to push me as a spare unless we are exactly the scum team, which is an immediate no to me.

In post 1336, Chemist1422 wrote:

In post 309, Hectic wrote:HURT: Pine

In post 336, Chara wrote:Pine might be someone i'd wrestle with as well, i don't know if there is much difference between them besides Asriel being the one to have ignored me a few times now. i know he's busy with his chores, but really.

In post 340, alimdia wrote:Thinking Nacho. He posted but didn't respond to my posts.

Otherwise Pine or Asriel.

Sparing Hectic probably works because if he's scum then we kinda deserve the loss

@Nacho
These were all on the two pages before I made my Pine read

Out of these three I find Alim's vote to be the worst, especially considering their ISO of Pine was "this slot has done nothing and hasn't gotten pushed"

In post 1338, Chemist1422 wrote:

In post 1279, Nachomamma8 wrote:currently at the point where the scumteam is exactly {Chemist, Amrun} and now that the rest of my reread will either be finding ammo for those two reads or finding places to make snarky comments while waiting for something else to jump out at me, but.......

I don't see where the read on me came from other than you not liking me defending the Pine/Asriel slots

And even if that's your issue, you still aren't putting me in a team with them

In post 1187, Replica wrote:Comparing Alimdia's posting here to a recently completed scumgame makes me feel better about the slot, too. There's a lot of throwing out loose speculation and accusations with a lot less emphasis on Alimdia not understanding points or trying to get to the bottom of them.

Posts like Alim's #129, #202, and #211 show a lot more genuine confusion and interest in understanding someone's thinking imo.