In post 1307, Tuxedo Mask wrote:It's so weird that you were so convinced for Brass to be scum based on meta, yet in this same post back peddle on the lynch by saying your vote was for pressure.
I'm pretty sure I explained myself clearly yesterday. I had a strong meta-based scum read on Brass, and wavesarc had barely contributed to the thread. You were my strongest scumread largely based on your predecesor's posts, but since you contributed a ton of content under pressure, I wanted to pressure my other scum read to also contribute. It was unfortunately hammered before that happened. Nice try with the shade but this is how scum hunting works.
If you want people to stop talking about Freddie and start talking about meaningful stuff, why don't you actively start that up instead of trying to shut the other conversations down? I mean you're literally posting about how we need to talk about how we feel about all the other players but you've not done so yourself, and all you did day 1 was tunnel that slot.
I think that the Freddie discussion had potential to head somewhere, especially after Freddie actually came to respond to them, and that how different players discussed that slot was helping me sort them.
tux may have brought it up a few times since his attempt to change the subject was largely ignored. just a thought.
I don't really know how to contribute at this point - the discussion has only been revolving around how shitty my posts are, which is just noise. lilith isn't around nor is gibus. i think tux and nauci are doing a nice job of looking for other things to discuss, but aren't being engaged. fish and osuka aren't doing much except critique my posts. votato is quiet for now but not like lilith or gibus who have been virtually silent for a long time now.
so nauci, what happened? you had me convinced his slot was scum. i was really surprised by the result; bass' game/behavior may have been an anomaly.
osuka, you're a loud and obnoxious dick. you're unlike fish who (comes across as abrasive also) at least has the decency of explaining why he abhors my reads/personality/contributions. i will improve my game...will you?
question: is it common to suspect someone is lying who confirms themselves as town like i did? i guess i answered my own question by observing that im still under scrutiny even though i confirmed my role.
this post only comes from someone either fabricating, or whose brain exists only in two dimensions. let me elaborate
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 5:56 pm
by osuka
In post 1326, osuka wrote:I don't really know how to contribute at this point - the discussion has only been revolving around how shitty my posts are, which is just noise. lilith isn't around nor is gibus. i think tux and nauci are doing a nice job of looking for other things to discuss, but aren't being engaged. fish and osuka aren't doing much except critique my posts. votato is quiet for now but not like lilith or gibus who have been virtually silent for a long time now.
this is a bad misrep of how the game is going. fish and i are tearing your posts apart and yet all you do is defend
yourself
, not the content we're addressing. it's almost as if you take the push on your slot personally, or you're trying to pull the "everyone's an asshole to me!" card
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 5:56 pm
by osuka
EBWOP i fucked up the quote so it looks like I wrote that, but it was in fact written by freddie (of course)
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 5:58 pm
by osuka
In post 1314, Freddiethelady wrote:so nauci, what happened? you had me convinced his slot was scum. i was really surprised by the result; bass' game/behavior may have been an anomaly.
why is THIS the line of questioning that you choose for the slot you said you'd sheep after the mislynch? this is a really half-hearted attempt at looking like you're doing something when in fact it yields absolutely nothing of value in terms of a push
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 5:59 pm
by osuka
In post 1314, Freddiethelady wrote:osuka, you're a loud and obnoxious dick. you're unlike fish who (comes across as abrasive also) at least has the decency of explaining why he abhors my reads/personality/contributions. i will improve my game...will you?
thanks! i'm flattered. my game is doing fine, thank you very much - yours, on the other hand, is about to get you lynched. how do you feel?
you've made zero meaningful points that i can address, so the obvious response on my part is to relentlessly tear your shit up until you do, so that 1. it's obvious to everyone that you aren't doing shit to progress the game and that 2. you're scum and need to be lynched
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:03 pm
by osuka
In post 1314, Freddiethelady wrote:question: is it common to suspect someone is lying who confirms themselves as town like i did? i guess i answered my own question by observing that im still under scrutiny even though i confirmed my role.
and as if the rest of the post wasn't bad enough, this is the shit-cherry on top of the garbage-cake that is this post. like if the post before this one gave everyone brain damage, this one is certain to cause everyone in a 50-mile radius and all of their children to lose all higher brain function
to be clear: the only thing youve confirmed is that you absolutely need to be lynched today. I'm deathtunneling you until either of us is on the dead thread
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:03 pm
by Tuxedo Mask
I'm just going to hop in a say, whatever alignment you guys are making it easy to take it personally. Either way you keep making disparaging remarks about their intelligence. Which I get is apart of the whole bravado scum hunting talk saying your bad = your scum, don't take it outside of the context of the game blah blah blah. But you're dealing with a new player, they are trying to defend themselves as scum or town, you're still calling them the player stupid for their attempts. If this was how I was treated in my first game, I would quit. People are here to have fun not to be insulted.
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:38 pm
by osuka
In post 1332, Tuxedo Mask wrote:I'm just going to hop in a say, whatever alignment you guys are making it easy to take it personally. Either way you keep making disparaging remarks about their intelligence. Which I get is apart of the whole bravado scum hunting talk saying your bad = your scum, don't take it outside of the context of the game blah blah blah. But you're dealing with a new player, they are trying to defend themselves as scum or town, you're still calling them the player stupid for their attempts. If this was how I was treated in my first game, I would quit. People are here to have fun not to be insulted.
i never called the player stupid. ive said plenty about the content, but nothing specifically about the player
i suggest you practice reading comprehension
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:21 pm
by Elmo TeH AzN
I'm watching this. But I'm going to say follow the site rules. And yes I'm reading the posts and content.
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 8:15 pm
by gibus
In post 1303, Nauci wrote:What do you think of Gibus's Twilight posts? Like, I'm feeling this paranoid sense that I gave Gibus a town read out loud too early, and they decided to rest of those laurels for the entire 2nd half of day 2 and just do a few shitposts here and there.
I wasn't here during a major portion of twilight. What twilight posts made you paranoid and why?
Day 2 just started, and I don't plan to shitpost in the second half.
Spoiler: Cases
Fred
What stands out to me is that Fred's way of defending himself/pushing players is unique in the current playerlist, and doesn't look like he is being coached in a scum PT.
Claiming after someone else got hammered looks very much like newbtown to me than scum. None of his posts suggest his slot being a PR (he is NOT NK target number 1 IMO), so "claiming VT" is an unnecessary move as scum. I'm not defending his claim, it was anti-town but it looks like a genuine mistake missing wave's lynch. It is best to not tunnel into his slot but investigate other players for now instead.
Osuka/ironcat
I believe that ironcat had ineffective (wasn't acknowledged by the playerlist), but confident reasoning towards finding scum, and was frustrated when the suspicion on him only increased and his reads were completely ignored. His replacement request conveys his frustration which I perceive comes with town motivation.
I feel [null]-[slightly town] about osuka. Overall, I'm positive about the slot, though it needs more investigation.
Nauci
IMO, the most amount of analysis and effort has come from this slot, which exemplifies town motivation and is in a league of its own. Adds on the townread I already had on feathers.
votato
His response to lilith's push (#962, #966) felt reasonably good, so my TR on him hasn't wavered. More content from him will be appreciated though (respond to #1308, maybe?).
I'm pretty sure there's at least one scummer in {FF, lilith2013, Tuxedo Mask}. If I'm wrong, I'll have reread osuka's slot.
lilith hasn't done anything explicitly scummy, but I don't like her push on votato (#1308).
I'd like to hear her thoughts on the rest of the playerlist.
VOTE: lilith2013
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 8:28 pm
by votato
osuka, you are clearly being a dick and making it personal. stop being a dick. and yes, i mean that you as a person are being a dick, outside the context of this game.
also, at this point freddie is 100% town. i know her well enough to know that she's being honest here. she hasnt quite grasped this game, but shes trying. maybe constructive criticism or feedback would be better for both your emotional wellbeing, hers, and the game. i guess you're entitled to be a dick if you want though.
i guess ill effort tomorrow and say some things.
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 10:30 pm
by Nauci
In post 1336, votato wrote:i know her well enough to know that she's being honest here.
You'll forgive me if I'm currently shook over the accuracy of meta reads
Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 12:27 am
by Nauci
In post 1335, gibus wrote:(he is NOT NK target number 1 IMO), so "claiming VT" is an unnecessary move as scum.
The context for that accusation was that specifically, the end of day discussion was about how he shouldn't claim if he's a PR in order to imply that he's a likely PR to try to get scum to shoot there. Did that context factor into your assessment?
In post 1335, gibus wrote:(he is NOT NK target number 1 IMO), so "claiming VT" is an unnecessary move as scum.
The context for that accusation was that specifically, the end of day discussion was about how he shouldn't claim if he's a PR in order to imply that he's a likely PR to try to get scum to shoot there. Did that context factor into your assessment?
Him not claiming a role when others discuss about not claiming to be PR if one is a PR does not increase the probability that he is a PR to 50%, and everyone should be aware of that.
I stand by what I said about it being an unnecessary move as scum.
Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:44 am
by Nauci
Yeah I agree.
I mean, the move made me facepalm, but not for the theory that FF threw out.
It's the many other posts from Freddie which had scummy vibes, though.
In post 1326, osuka wrote:I don't really know how to contribute at this point - the discussion has only been revolving around how shitty my posts are, which is just noise. lilith isn't around nor is gibus. i think tux and nauci are doing a nice job of looking for other things to discuss, but aren't being engaged. fish and osuka aren't doing much except critique my posts. votato is quiet for now but not like lilith or gibus who have been virtually silent for a long time now.
this is a bad misrep of how the game is going. fish and i are tearing your posts apart and yet all you do is defend
yourself
, not the content we're addressing. it's almost as if you take the push on your slot personally, or you're trying to pull the "everyone's an asshole to me!" card
I’m not trying to take things personally. I will say that this public flogging isn’t fun. I’m not the only one who thinks you’re being unnecessary mean.
In post 1314, Freddiethelady wrote:
tux may have brought it up a few times since his attempt to change the subject was largely ignored. just a thought.
I don't really know how to contribute at this point - the discussion has only been revolving around how shitty my posts are, which is just noise. lilith isn't around nor is gibus. i think tux and nauci are doing a nice job of looking for other things to discuss, but aren't being engaged. fish and osuka aren't doing much except critique my posts. votato is quiet for now but not like lilith or gibus who have been virtually silent for a long time now.
so nauci, what happened? you had me convinced his slot was scum. i was really surprised by the result; bass' game/behavior may have been an anomaly.
osuka, you're a loud and obnoxious dick. you're unlike fish who (comes across as abrasive also) at least has the decency of explaining why he abhors my reads/personality/contributions. i will improve my game...will you?
question: is it common to suspect someone is lying who confirms themselves as town like i did? i guess i answered my own question by observing that im still under scrutiny even though i confirmed my role.
Line by line:
1: I can handle myself, and I think you've been trying to pocket me for a while.
2: Lilith restated her read of Votato and voted, what do you think of that? What separates Votato's quiet from Lilith's?
3: @Nauci, is this how I came off when I criticized your meta read? If so I'm sorry.
4: Let's not stoop to their level with the insults. Do you town read fish and scum read Osuka? If so, why?
5: What you did is easily faked, it means nothing. I don't think it a common occurrence, but that doesn't make it town.
1 line: pocket? No, I’m not sure how to follow someone’s lead without appearing to pocket then...
2 line: I missed that...I’ll go find it an respond.
Line 3: @nauci, I genuinely wasn’t trying to criticize you. Sorry!! I’m curious about your reaction. It will help me understand. I hope I didn’t dig myself into a hole further I just need to explore this a little more. indulge me: when someone presents an argument in favor of an action that ends up being bad for the team, a good after action report would include that person’s perspective. That was the line of thinking I was going for. I don’t think you did it on purpose. You’re a TR for me for sure.
Line 4: I agree. I shouldn’t have gone there.
Line 5: okay, I won’t ever make that mistake again. Except that I am what I said I was, the mistake wasn’t in me faking, it was “how I did it” I suppose.
In post 1336, votato wrote:i know her well enough to know that she's being honest here.
You'll forgive me if I'm currently shook over the accuracy of meta reads
its not merely a metaread based on one game though. i know freddie personally, and i think i can tell the difference between honest!lady and lying!lady here.
Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 11:50 am
by Formerfish
I have a solution, if Vota flips town, we leave Freddie alone. If Vota flips scum we power lynch Freddie on day 3
Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 12:17 pm
by votato
that seems like a bad plan.
Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 12:20 pm
by Tuxedo Mask
Well I understand the logic, I'd rather lynch Votato for being scummy and not to sort Freddie. If Votato flips town I really don't like where that would leave us.
Even if Freddie flips town I think it would leave us in a better game state, then if we lynch Votato and they flip town.
But seriously bedsides wanting to lynch Freddie, which I feel since you only consider them town for knowing them personally, you should find reasonable. Why is Fish and Osuka scum?
Also @Fish, maybe you don't want to use the scene about a man pitching a terrible idea and being utterly rejected for this moment.
Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 12:52 pm
by Formerfish
Who wins at the end of that movie? Jerry Maguire.
Who had the correct idea, but was misunderstood and maligned by the masses? Jerry Maguire.
Who stuck to his guns through thick and thin finding not only true friendship, happiness, love and a family to see himself come out on top and silence all the haters? Jerry Mafuckinguire.
I think that clip is perfect for what I'm trying to do here. You guys keep being busy body sheep.
