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[GreyICE]

Math

If 980 isn't a strict counterclaim, are we actually allowed to lynch him today?

I'm asking seriously.

[GreyICE]

Like in theory MistyX clears him from being an SK so if we suspect SK we should lynch MistyX first

I thought Dannaflor was hard counterclaiming him at which point well he can fucking die, but this flaming shit isn't good enough.

It still involves scum A) having a roleblocker and B) roleblocking you. Which is an insanely weird set of circumstances, but it could have happened.

I don't think two killing roles are out of order if Dannaflor really can't do anything before N3. Like, I've done game balancing before, and Vigilantes aren't that great for the town ever since we got away from having 12 player games and swapped to 13. Add in they both have conditions, and it's really more like one vig role spread over two people. Which wouldn't be that bad.

[MathBlade]

Math

If 980 isn't a strict counterclaim, are we actually allowed to lynch him today?

I'm asking seriously.

I agree the elim is between Dann and Grendel.

I am just want to sort if scum are trying to take advantage of Grendel vig.

Because it’s an odd claim to make if group scum. Dann’s argument is he didn’t shoot so then scum wouldn’t have shot so we would mean Grendel SK. Which makes Misty scum.

So more than likely Dann’s claim is legit I just wanna sort through shit since I will likely be dead

[GreyICE]

I'M VERY ANNOYED

I THOUGHT WE'D LOL LYNCH THE FAKECLAIMING SCUM AND WE'D GO INTO D3 WITH SCUM MAYBE NOT NOTICING DANNIFLOR'S CLAIM

INSTEAD I HAVE TO DO EFFORT SHIT

QQ

[MathBlade]

I know I know make fun of math for indecisive fuckery but I have a meeting so patience

[GreyICE]

Math

If 980 isn't a strict counterclaim, are we actually allowed to lynch him today?

I'm asking seriously.

I agree the elim is between Dann and Grendel.

I am just want to sort if scum are trying to take advantage of Grendel vig.

Because it’s an odd claim to make if group scum. Dann’s argument is he didn’t shoot so then scum wouldn’t have shot so we would mean Grendel SK. Which makes Misty scum.

So more than likely Dann’s claim is legit I just wanna sort through shit since I will likely be dead

No I mean it's possible they're both legit.

It's not impossible to have two killing roles in a mini if one is as incredibly junk as "vigilante that starts on N3" and one is "vigilante that turns off or goes anti town in certain circumstances".

In fact it wouldn't surprise me at all.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i cant believe grendel is still alive lol

[GreyICE]

It's also possible MistyX is just lying, because her setup information can be found elsewhere. Specifically here:

Subject: Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

Yeah I'm gonna avoid making 4 scum in 13p setups from now on because this was a dumpster fire

So Gamma would have theoretically given Misty information we should know...

oh fuck that just makes misty more likely to be legit if the info is "learn random things" because it's sitting at the top of Gamma's mind.

Grrrrrr

[GreyICE]

i cant believe grendel is still alive lol

Assuming there's no other way for Kop to have died and no SK, I don't know if we're allowed to lynch. I don't think we are.

And while I'll occasionally rage about things, I like my rules.

[MathBlade]

It's also possible MistyX is just lying, because her setup information can be found elsewhere. Specifically here:

Subject: Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

Yeah I'm gonna avoid making 4 scum in 13p setups from now on because this was a dumpster fire

So Gamma would have theoretically given Misty information we should know...

oh fuck that just makes misty more likely to be legit if the info is "learn random things" because it's sitting at the top of Gamma's mind.

Grrrrrr

Happy birthday will think after work

[GreyICE]

Thank you!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think the town has 2 vigilantes vs a 3 man scum team in a 14p

[GreyICE]

Pooky, I've discussed this at length with a lot of smart people for setups, and a N3 vigilante is unlikely to shoot more than once. In fact it's practically a chocolate townie. N4+ is ludicrous. Especially in a game with another Vigilante.

So the question is 'could we have a 1 shot vig that will probably never shoot and another vig with a drawback'. Uh... yes?

Seriously do the math, what has to happen for an N4 shot to go off?

[GreyICE]

Like we considered 1-shot vigilante and even-night vigilante functionally identical.

[GreyICE]

My role also makes a lot of sense with town vigilantes because it gets significantly worse with them around.

[Dannflor]

Did you crumb before 980?

not besides suggesting I thought grendel was most likely an SK

It’s not really a counter claim because my shots are heavily conditional which is why I debated outing so long

[Dannflor]

Okay I’ll just out my gate

I have to correctly predict the next day’s elimination and then I get a shot

It got randomized D1 because the prior player in this slot never selected and then I chose Marky Mark for today because he was my biggest scum read coming into the slot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have seen that as a scum role before

[Dannflor]

I'M VERY ANNOYED

I THOUGHT WE'D LOL LYNCH THE FAKECLAIMING SCUM AND WE'D GO INTO D3 WITH SCUM MAYBE NOT NOTICING DANNIFLOR'S CLAIM

INSTEAD I HAVE TO DO EFFORT SHIT

QQ

Sorry I really didn’t know the best way to handle this situation because I’m not a direct counter claim but I’m also bad at setup mechanics and I probably fucked this up

[Dannflor]

Like in theory MistyX clears him from being an SK so if we suspect SK we should lynch MistyX first

I thought Dannaflor was hard counterclaiming him at which point well he can fucking die, but this flaming shit isn't good enough.

It still involves scum A) having a roleblocker and B) roleblocking you. Which is an insanely weird set of circumstances, but it could have happened.

I don't think two killing roles are out of order if Dannaflor really can't do anything before N3. Like, I've done game balancing before, and Vigilantes aren't that great for the town ever since we got away from having 12 player games and swapped to 13. Add in they both have conditions, and it's really more like one vig role spread over two people. Which wouldn't be that bad.

Except I thought Grendel claimed he wasn’t gated in any way

[Grendel]

I don't know what to make of greys trajectory, I think danflors claim is more likely to come from town then scum. By virtue of it coming out of nowhere when i was already viable flip for today.

My mod makes me easier to kill at night. I don't think that counts as gated but I'm not a vanilla vig any case.

I have more thoughts but I'm at work.

[MathBlade]

I don't know what to make of greys trajectory, I think danflors claim is more likely to come from town then scum. By virtue of it coming out of nowhere when i was already viable flip for today.

My mod makes me easier to kill at night. I don't think that counts as gated but I'm not a vanilla vig any case.

I have more thoughts but I'm at work.

You should full claim.

[Dannflor]

I think Grey’s trajectory makes perfect sense if he caught my crumb and thought I was full on counter claiming

[GreyICE]

No duh I caught your crumb.

It wasn't super subtle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

points for reading