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Dunn is kinda sorta ok too. I just hate it bc they will become super town with a VPB red flip

In post 1129, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Theres just that energy of just hedginess and not pushing to solve slots, just in keeping options open

yeah that's something i kinda didn't get, bc it seemed to me a lot of people he put as not willing to vote are people that have been pushed (i.e. lotus, italiano, elements)

In post 1136, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:

In post 1135, DkKoba wrote:UNVOTE:
Mmmmm

UNVOTE:

what prompted this again?

In post 1141, RLotus wrote:It's like you're not even trying to evaluate the people pushing on you, but instead calling them scum with blanket terms like bad faith.

did i hallucinate the discussion i had with baltar yesterday about duchess or

In post 1156, Green Crayons wrote:

In post 965, Datisi wrote:i'm rereading 869

then i'm rereading this page

and i'm wondering if lotus is town here, for the sole reason of "is scum really *this* tone-deaf?"

can you explain this reaction to 869?

it's like, scum are often more self-aware than town, right. and in cases like these, there's often a thought, is this too batshit insane to come from scum? like, at what point is something so fucking bad it just can't be scum? because his case on baltar is uhh... a dumpster fire?

In post 1161, Green Crayons wrote:

In post 1054, Datisi wrote:the vibe i'm getting from duchess' 989 is town who gets super fixated on things that are important to them, then gets frustrated when other people don't see it that way / don't pay attention to same details and mistake that for scum

how are you slotting this as town rather than NAI?

it's the ~vibe~
idk, it read genuine. like they truly did believe they were onto something with elements, and got pissed off when someone else wasn't seeing that / was ignoring their read.

In post 1162, Andresvmb wrote:I need to read (I’m doing that now so give me like an hour or two to update all of my reads), but it’s really hard to pinpoint exact Scum on a wagon for a player you think is Town yeah?

no, i agree it's difficult. but like, i feel that town, when they see someone they think is town getting wagoned, they're more likely to think "ok, this vote i can see, this vote is pure garbage, etc", as opposed to just blanket-saying "ye probably scum on that wagon lol".

In post 1171, Andresvmb wrote:RTP is pushing {GC, Elements}, and you RLotus are pushing {VPB, ItalianoVD} while leaving Elements at null and attacking some of the “lurker” slots. Somethings not right.

I would gamble Datisi is siding somewhat incorrectly?

But is maybe too transparent with their logic and reads for Scum. I also thought Battle Mage was Town and don’t understand the discredit there from RTP.

sorry, what does this mean?

bottom of pg 47 yay

In post 1326, Datisi wrote:

In post 1129, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Theres just that energy of just hedginess and not pushing to solve slots, just in keeping options open

yeah that's something i kinda didn't get, bc it seemed to me a lot of people he put as not willing to vote are people that have been pushed (i.e. lotus, italiano, elements)

In post 1136, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:

In post 1135, DkKoba wrote:UNVOTE:
Mmmmm

UNVOTE:

what prompted this again?

In post 1141, RLotus wrote:It's like you're not even trying to evaluate the people pushing on you, but instead calling them scum with blanket terms like bad faith.

did i hallucinate the discussion i had with baltar yesterday about duchess or

In post 1156, Green Crayons wrote:

In post 965, Datisi wrote:i'm rereading 869

then i'm rereading this page

and i'm wondering if lotus is town here, for the sole reason of "is scum really *this* tone-deaf?"

can you explain this reaction to 869?

it's like, scum are often more self-aware than town, right. and in cases like these, there's often a thought, is this too batshit insane to come from scum? like, at what point is something so fucking bad it just can't be scum? because his case on baltar is uhh... a dumpster fire?

In post 1161, Green Crayons wrote:

In post 1054, Datisi wrote:the vibe i'm getting from duchess' 989 is town who gets super fixated on things that are important to them, then gets frustrated when other people don't see it that way / don't pay attention to same details and mistake that for scum

how are you slotting this as town rather than NAI?

it's the ~vibe~
idk, it read genuine. like they truly did believe they were onto something with elements, and got pissed off when someone else wasn't seeing that / was ignoring their read.

In post 1162, Andresvmb wrote:I need to read (I’m doing that now so give me like an hour or two to update all of my reads), but it’s really hard to pinpoint exact Scum on a wagon for a player you think is Town yeah?

no, i agree it's difficult. but like, i feel that town, when they see someone they think is town getting wagoned, they're more likely to think "ok, this vote i can see, this vote is pure garbage, etc", as opposed to just blanket-saying "ye probably scum on that wagon lol".

In post 1171, Andresvmb wrote:RTP is pushing {GC, Elements}, and you RLotus are pushing {VPB, ItalianoVD} while leaving Elements at null and attacking some of the “lurker” slots. Somethings not right.

I would gamble Datisi is siding somewhat incorrectly?

But is maybe too transparent with their logic and reads for Scum. I also thought Battle Mage was Town and don’t understand the discredit there from RTP.

sorry, what does this mean?

bottom of pg 47 yay

elements was being like super like "wtf lol" to me while i was pushing GC like they were super clueless on why i was pushing them over GC like it was such a play that was ... unpartnered that I had to step back and reeval again.

In post 1323, RLotus wrote:

VPB

- Makes pushes with no conclusion. Not attempting to solve the game. Extremely shallow/surface level reads on myself and Dunn.
Green Crayons - I don't have a big case on him. Potentially whit knighted Elements and VPB if he is town. RTP seems confident.
Harumi- Absent
midwaybear- kinda just nullish

sorry mate but none of this is particularly compelling. 4 scumreads, 2 of which are "absent" and "null". Although I'd say that's marginally better than "RTP seems confident".

VPB is an interesting take, but not for me today.

can we plz get a

In post 1326, Datisi wrote:did i hallucinate the discussion i had with baltar yesterday about duchess or

He lacks the same critical evaluation of Duchess' alignment the same way he does to me.

there are slots of interest to me which i'm intentionally not commenting much on - for reasons which will become clear if I survive a couple of days.

In post 1328, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1323, RLotus wrote:

VPB

- Makes pushes with no conclusion. Not attempting to solve the game. Extremely shallow/surface level reads on myself and Dunn.
Green Crayons - I don't have a big case on him. Potentially whit knighted Elements and VPB if he is town. RTP seems confident.
Harumi- Absent
midwaybear- kinda just nullish

sorry mate but none of this is particularly compelling. 4 scumreads, 2 of which are "absent" and "null". Although I'd say that's marginally better than "RTP seems confident".

VPB is an interesting take, but not for me today.

can we plz get a

votecount?

Ok well I've become accustomed to you tunenling town day 1 every game, have at it dude

In post 1328, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1323, RLotus wrote:

VPB

- Makes pushes with no conclusion. Not attempting to solve the game. Extremely shallow/surface level reads on myself and Dunn.
Green Crayons - I don't have a big case on him. Potentially whit knighted Elements and VPB if he is town. RTP seems confident.
Harumi- Absent
midwaybear- kinda just nullish

sorry mate but none of this is particularly compelling. 4 scumreads, 2 of which are "absent" and "null". Although I'd say that's marginally better than "RTP seems confident".

VPB is an interesting take, but not for me today.

can we plz get a

votecount?

I highly suggest you have some humility when it comes to your reads because you seem to be ego playing and it really isn't conducive to a town win. It also makes it hard to ascertain your alignment here - as you are just being stubborn and stubbornness is just a trait that is easily adopted into scumplay.

Like can you at least try to interact with me please?

If it's me today I'm gonna need some time to respond to VPB's recent posts and make a fleshed out reads list, if you'd be so kind

At the very least BM -> if I'm eliminated can you promise me you will abandon your reads and sheep mine instead? Because you're likely going to endgame here and I'm not down to have you misvote again, since I actually rolled town here.

In post 1331, RLotus wrote:

In post 1328, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1323, RLotus wrote:

VPB

- Makes pushes with no conclusion. Not attempting to solve the game. Extremely shallow/surface level reads on myself and Dunn.
Green Crayons - I don't have a big case on him. Potentially whit knighted Elements and VPB if he is town. RTP seems confident.
Harumi- Absent
midwaybear- kinda just nullish

sorry mate but none of this is particularly compelling. 4 scumreads, 2 of which are "absent" and "null". Although I'd say that's marginally better than "RTP seems confident".

VPB is an interesting take, but not for me today.

can we plz get a

votecount?

Ok well I've become accustomed to you tunenling town day 1 every game, have at it dude

some players just refuse to improve and just do the same thing repeatedly hoping it hits >rand

In post 1331, RLotus wrote:

In post 1328, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1323, RLotus wrote:

VPB

- Makes pushes with no conclusion. Not attempting to solve the game. Extremely shallow/surface level reads on myself and Dunn.
Green Crayons - I don't have a big case on him. Potentially whit knighted Elements and VPB if he is town. RTP seems confident.
Harumi- Absent
midwaybear- kinda just nullish

sorry mate but none of this is particularly compelling. 4 scumreads, 2 of which are "absent" and "null". Although I'd say that's marginally better than "RTP seems confident".

VPB is an interesting take, but not for me today.

can we plz get a

votecount?

Ok well I've become accustomed to you tunenling town day 1 every game, have at it dude

unnecessary shade, given im not even close to tunnelling anyone dude - the point of me asking for your case, was literally to help me decide who to vote for.

You didn't have anything, and now you're shading me.

In post 1336, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1331, RLotus wrote:

In post 1328, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1323, RLotus wrote:

VPB

- Makes pushes with no conclusion. Not attempting to solve the game. Extremely shallow/surface level reads on myself and Dunn.
Green Crayons - I don't have a big case on him. Potentially whit knighted Elements and VPB if he is town. RTP seems confident.
Harumi- Absent
midwaybear- kinda just nullish

sorry mate but none of this is particularly compelling. 4 scumreads, 2 of which are "absent" and "null". Although I'd say that's marginally better than "RTP seems confident".

VPB is an interesting take, but not for me today.

can we plz get a

votecount?

Ok well I've become accustomed to you tunenling town day 1 every game, have at it dude

unnecessary shade, given im not even close to tunnelling anyone dude - the point of me asking for your case, was literally to help me decide who to vote for.

You didn't have anything, and now you're shading me.

shade is warranted - your game history is public

Ok - if you're actually reading along to what im saying, can you tell me what my current scumreads are without ISOing me?

In post 1336, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1331, RLotus wrote:

In post 1328, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1323, RLotus wrote:

VPB

- Makes pushes with no conclusion. Not attempting to solve the game. Extremely shallow/surface level reads on myself and Dunn.
Green Crayons - I don't have a big case on him. Potentially whit knighted Elements and VPB if he is town. RTP seems confident.
Harumi- Absent
midwaybear- kinda just nullish

sorry mate but none of this is particularly compelling. 4 scumreads, 2 of which are "absent" and "null". Although I'd say that's marginally better than "RTP seems confident".

VPB is an interesting take, but not for me today.

can we plz get a

votecount?

Ok well I've become accustomed to you tunenling town day 1 every game, have at it dude

unnecessary shade, given im not even close to tunnelling anyone dude - the point of me asking for your case, was literally to help me decide who to vote for.

You didn't have anything, and now you're shading me.

Better than any case that anyone has said about me yet you seem fine with an elim on me anyway

yeah im not even gonna respond to any of that other Toxic shit above. i'll flip within {RTP, RLotus} today.

In post 1339, RLotus wrote:

In post 1336, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1331, RLotus wrote:

In post 1328, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1323, RLotus wrote:

VPB

- Makes pushes with no conclusion. Not attempting to solve the game. Extremely shallow/surface level reads on myself and Dunn.
Green Crayons - I don't have a big case on him. Potentially whit knighted Elements and VPB if he is town. RTP seems confident.
Harumi- Absent
midwaybear- kinda just nullish

sorry mate but none of this is particularly compelling. 4 scumreads, 2 of which are "absent" and "null". Although I'd say that's marginally better than "RTP seems confident".

VPB is an interesting take, but not for me today.

can we plz get a

votecount?

Ok well I've become accustomed to you tunenling town day 1 every game, have at it dude

unnecessary shade, given im not even close to tunnelling anyone dude - the point of me asking for your case, was literally to help me decide who to vote for.

You didn't have anything, and now you're shading me.

Better than any case that anyone has said about me yet you seem fine with an elim on me anyway

i'm scumleaning you, as i said earlier - not much reads progression at all.

@mod i think you accidentally rolled 4 scum into this game, thats typically unbalanced for a mini :eyeroll:

In post 1341, Battle Mage wrote:i'm scumleaning you, as i said earlier - not much reads progression at all.

That's not even true anymore

In post 1313, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:

In post 1311, maxwell wrote:I caught up to where I replaced in, reading but not really

thinking

about the game or taking notes, definitely not an easy game to form reads on, just trying to get current.

In post 1312, DkKoba wrote:

I think you TMI'd my slot town, for starters (kidding, kidding). You're going to be disappointed, I don't have structured thoughts at this point, just weak gut feelings. Feeling some level of town on Datisi, Duchess, Elements, RTP, and VP Baltar. I'm not really sure why people were scumreading Italiano, his early play was a little awkward initially but I never felt there was a string case there. He made a few posts later that I liked. I think Green Crayons came off worse in his arguments with Duchess and RTP, want to dig into the weeds thereto be sure but felt the way he was arguing was underhanded at times. I know that a lurking Dunnstral isn't always a scum Dunnstral, unfortunately, but his responses to people have felt rather flat. I feel like I need to give the game a second pass to have more concrete analysis, this was a speedread because after the first few pages I found it difficult to put down thoughts on what was going on so I stopped trying.

BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.

In post 1343, RLotus wrote:

In post 1341, Battle Mage wrote:i'm scumleaning you, as i said earlier - not much reads progression at all.

That's not even true anymore

so you're saying you changed it up after you got called out?

In post 1344, maxwell wrote:

In post 1313, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:

In post 1311, maxwell wrote:I caught up to where I replaced in, reading but not really

thinking

about the game or taking notes, definitely not an easy game to form reads on, just trying to get current.

In post 1312, DkKoba wrote:

I think you TMI'd my slot town, for starters (kidding, kidding). You're going to be disappointed, I don't have structured thoughts at this point, just weak gut feelings. Feeling some level of town on Datisi, Duchess, Elements, RTP, and VP Baltar. I'm not really sure why people were scumreading Italiano, his early play was a little awkward initially but I never felt there was a string case there. He made a few posts later that I liked. I think Green Crayons came off worse in his arguments with Duchess and RTP, want to dig into the weeds thereto be sure but felt the way he was arguing was underhanded at times. I know that a lurking Dunnstral isn't always a scum Dunnstral, unfortunately, but his responses to people have felt rather flat. I feel like I need to give the game a second pass to have more concrete analysis, this was a speedread because after the first few pages I found it difficult to put down thoughts on what was going on so I stopped trying.

how dare you

In post 1346, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1343, RLotus wrote:

In post 1341, Battle Mage wrote:i'm scumleaning you, as i said earlier - not much reads progression at all.

That's not even true anymore

so you're saying you changed it up after you got called out?

If there are any instances where my read progression feels unnatural let me know. I doubt you've done that kind of analysis

In post 1345, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.

i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!