Spoilering, because I don't want to clog the thread gushing over Ydra's scum game
Spoiler:
In post 1323, Noraa wrote:She is good but you have not seen the real beast. Trust me. Once you meet pooky, you will think the whole universe is a lie. The world is a lie. Humans are a lie. Existence is a lie. Pooky is the scariest scum in the world. I could catch him on day 1 and never be able to get him killed. That's how good he is but he is also the one person who as town, understands me to heaven, hell and back and I love my fellow brown bear. He is the bestest!
I have played with scum pooky. I scum read them, and helped lead the elimination against them (along side catboi)
I played against scum Ydra, and she became town read by literally 9 out of 9 players in the game. Literally. The game had one vote where it was actually "vote for a town" instead of the normal eliminate scum, and she won that vote. She was by so universally town read that she easily won a "vote the person who is most likely town" vote.
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:49 pm
by Noraa
Back to ydrasse. I skimmed her iso when I repped in and I just reskimmed it and was reminded of why I townread her. This post. This one post specifically. Um I'll explain if people don't get it but this post is very towny. Like godtier level towny and I learned from my last game that if my heart says this is 100% town, flush that paranoia down the toilet. That person is town.
In post 394, Ydrasse wrote:i'm struggling to figure out why i townread prism but, i do; maybe it's a combination of her reaction to being ran up, or the way she's approaching... breaking down this game? it's hard for me to figure out how to read past the like... tone, or lack thereof since a lot of the fat is cut off. but i like what's going on. i think it's also an uphill battle in this table to push the people that she is and could definitely play 'safer' i.e. just letting the thing with hectic go eventually, commit to keeping tabs on lower content slots.
prism has a good scumgame but it feels like she's just trying to solve instead of manipulate. theoretically her choosing an 'unsafe' route is confidence + threat management but, i don't know.
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:51 pm
by Noraa
In post 1325, Lukewarm wrote:have played with scum pooky. I scum read them, and helped lead the elimination against them (along side catboi)
I played against scum Ydra, and she became town read by literally 9 out of 9 players in the game. Literally. The game had one vote where it was actually "vote for a town" instead of the normal eliminate scum, and she won that vote. She was by so universally town read that she easily won a "vote the person who is most likely town" vote.
mmmmmmmmm. Well, I mean, I understand your paranoia but if you don't townread her, then that might just mean she's town? #Noraalogic
Lemme quote some super posts. They are the reason I TR ydra
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:52 pm
by Noraa
Ok Lukewarm and me vibing. Soul mason acquired yayyyyyyyyy
In post 932, Zyla wrote:So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims
is this like a partial slip? cos wouldn't mafia already know the setup at this point with James' claim? (mafia would know they don't have a rolecop so it'd have to be a JK and you didn't say that town could also have a potential friendsly neighbour??)
well i guess it's not a slip ..... cos you said 1/3rd
idk
idk
zyla are you townnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
In post 987, Super wrote:you know what? fuck it. I feel pretty confident in saying Nora is town here so I'm just going to claim and say I'm a villager - the jailkeeper should claim because it is either Zyla/Unwnd and that to me is autowin (since it'd just be the last villager claim FMPOV since I'm feeling fairly good about Nora being town here and if I'm wrong then I can deal with that later on)
obviously it's only autowin here if my read on Nora is right and town also townread me but I'm feeling good about it
I'm leaning more on Zyla being scum because I read HEM as fairly towny D1 and also I will note that when Catboi started pushing on Orc D2 on entry HEM immediately took away his scumread on JAckson (Catboi) and started pushin on Orc as well (I don't see why he would do this to his partner)
sorry for claiming, Nora already did and I feel pretty confident we can vote out mafia today, if I've fucked up I'm sorry - I haven't played noob mechanics before and I'm getting the hang of the setups but I think based on my reads this is most optimal FMPOV (SINCE I'm feeling so good about Nora being town)
In post 992, Super wrote:so either Nora lied and is JK or James didn't get roleblocked?
or Zyla is JK and just is engaging weirdly
In post 1021, Super wrote:Nora is puking town here, she literally sounds like me
In post 1029, Super wrote:Nora link some scumgames of yours bbcakes, I wanna see how much energy you have as scum >:(
In post 954, unwnd wrote:I would've preferred an easier game but generally speaking Navigator was my strongest TR and nothing about Noraa's game so far makes me doubt that.
I guess you TR Nora pretty hard then?
so you might think I'm scum? but maybe you're scared of pushing me cos you know how towny I am too? MUWAHAGAGAAa!????
In post 1046, Super wrote:that doesn't make you look the best Nora Dora
In post 1048, Super wrote:I understand paranoia, I'm one of the most paranoid town players in the world. but at this point in the game I'd rather ignore that paranoia since we have a ML and if it comes down to us being CCs I will handle that then but right now I hard TR your ass so I don't want your paranoia to fuck with my own reads/head
Super and I had this whole
Me: Super is so towny but what if she's scum
Super: I feel the same about you
Me: Well now I think you're scum
Super: Don't worry honey buns I feel the same way about you but you'll never get me elimed because I have a good town track record
Me: Now I'm more paranoid
Super: I'm only 55% certain ur town now
Me: I'm not even 55% sure ur town
Super: Noraa, if you're scum, I'm winning
Me: Maybe we should lim super then
conclusion: trust your heart. If your heart says towny town town, its town. Period. Don't question it otherwise paranoia will overcome you. What is mafia if there are no risks?
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:09 pm
by Infinity 324
I feel that, but I've hard townread scum!ydrasse too many times to share your feelings here
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:16 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 1330, Infinity 324 wrote:I feel that, but I've hard townread scum!ydrasse too many times to share your feelings here
Shared war flashbacks to Guardians of the Fortress lol
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:17 pm
by Lukewarm
To be clear, I am not currently wanting to push Ydra. I am just struggling to put her in my lock town tier with Infinity/Prism/T3
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:17 pm
by Infinity 324
I'm mad cause I feel like I had the right instincts but I just didn't trust them
And that was my only chance because the next time I play with scum!ydrasse she was way too towny for me to ever catch her
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:53 pm
by T3
Tbh this is just paranoia that can be addressed later if skitter isn't scum.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:17 am
by Prism
I'm still probably down for the count today but maybe I can push myself a bit further, tbd.
Noraa I think you are making a categorical mistake with reading me, both with the scumread and the townread. Tonereading me tends to be a waste of time outside of some very, very niche situations. My reads+progressions are much better indicators.
I don't want to say my tone is perfect, as I am sure there are blind spots, but I have spent an absolutely insane amount of time standardizing it and faking basic emotions is trivial for players with backgrounds in chat mafia.
I'm town because I played incredibly hard defense against several wagons in order to get HEM voted, and HEM was a strong scum player who was much more useful to the team alive,
especially
when he kicked into overdrive after my callout. I am not really town because I got mad, though I did get mad because I am town.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:19 am
by Prism
I don't really think there's a consistent townblock and really hate the concept of townblocking in general even if it could be applied here.
Curious as to where the Mario simp is/what he's thinking atm
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:27 am
by Prism
394 is... absolutely within Ydrasse's range so yikes
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:34 am
by Prism
Okay, reading more about the Super comparison, which is vaguely ironic to me as Super has extremely strong scumtone as well, I can spend all day critiquing Noraa's methodology and try to get her to look at something besides tone and bad comparisons to other players, but that's probably going to be a waste of time.
I'm going to blanket disagree and say stop relying entirely on tone, especially against players who specialize in it, and call it there.
In post 1194, T3 wrote:I think I'm being dumb. VOTE: skitter
go on
@t3
Tring hem tbh
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:54 am
by skitter30
Uh you kinda did the same thing ...
Why is that something that you think is more likely to come from scum-me than town-me given from your pov its entirely possible for town to do that