In post 1279, House wrote:I hadn't considered the possibility Taly might be Ascetic. Nice catch.
Eh, I doubt Taly's ascetic, tho that does remind me of yet another possibility;
Rolestopper and Alien both would cause a hider targeting their target to fail.
So failure conditions are:
Target is Ascetic;
Target is Commuter;
Direct-roleblock of CheekyTeeky;
Direct-jailkeep of CheekyTeeky;
Direct-Alien of CheekyTeeky;
Rolestopper rolestopping hide target;
Alien rolestopping hide target.
But I agree that ultimately, while it's not unimportant (it does have implications), speculating on D2 is not productive and is arguably anti-town.
(For the record, direct jailkeep and direct-Alien aren't impossible--it'd require scum strongmanning CheekyTeeky, which I find to be unlikely, but strictly speaking, not impossible.
I do think the most likely scenario tho is CheekyTeeky was roleblocked, just roleblocked, and also killed, but that these actions did not both come from scum and at least one was from town.)
I'm pretty sure that's not how Flea cases as town and I'm pretty sure I've seen Flea write a case almost exactly like that one when fae were scum.
This is purely from memory and my memory is shit, so it's something which ideally should be verified when I have more time, but yeah, I do think that Flea has a quite significant chance of being scum here.
The thing about that though is you keep trying to sell a narrative that is objectively not true.
In post 1005, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't see anything separating this from my experience with her scum game in chrono trigger besides posting rate (which I believe she didn't post because of irl stuff there, not cause she was scum)
As an example of another thing objectively not true, you can look at this, too; this is literally backwards.
In terms of posting rate, I'm actually pretty sure that I'm in line with Chrono Trigger. I'm relatively low in my posting.
In terms of content of the posts, literally nothing is alike in my play between Chrono Trigger and here.
Also, isn't Dwlee the player who is adamant about "meta bad"? Why are they using meta on me here?
I'm fairly comfortable doing this: VOTE: Dwlee99
I realize it has a decent chance of not being right; my poe pool is large enough to still contain town. (Especially the play-based pool.)
But Dwlee is one of the three players in both pools and there's enough suspect there to make me comfortable with the vote.
I kinda want to limit the pool to {Dwlee = Flea > zefiend} here, honestly, for today's eliminations.
Well, yes, if Dwlee is town then I would think those two would have a much much higher chance of being scum.
I am pretty damn sure there's a minimum of 1 town in {House, Enchant} with a fairly high chance both are town.
Given {Taly, Titus, Greeting, Scorpious} as town, that narrows down the scum to 2-3 (with a fairly high chance of being 3) of:
{Galron, zefiend, Dwlee99, Flea the Magician}.
(I admit my townread on Scorpious is not as strong as the townreads on Taly/Titus/Greeting, or for that matter House/Enchant but I still think Scorpious is unlikely to be scum here.)
If that pool of four has 2-3 scum in it, then one flipping town basically confirms the rest as scum imo.
Gonna pagetop these.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:42 am
by Greeting
Scorpious
gets annoyed quite easily. He did that too in Open 838, a game where he was town.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:49 am
by Greeting
To be fair, this argument is boring and annoying. I stopped following it a long time ago.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:08 am
by Galron
Mastina you have me mech town but scum by play, which states as virgin olive oil scum and is now more canola oil scum bordering on Crisco scum. I'm not an ego player, which I think is a fine term that someone recently introduced, but I'm generally aware of my play and my town/scum index in a game. It really hasn't changed much from the beginning of the game and in fact has risen around 20 points to this point. Yet you still have me in your second-tier poe, even going so far to say that if one of the players flip town, there's a high degree of likelihood that I'll flip red. Town you isn't reading me objectively, and scum you is plugging players into a strat.
In post 1279, House wrote:I hadn't considered the possibility Taly might be Ascetic. Nice catch.
Eh, I doubt Taly's ascetic, tho that does remind me of yet another possibility;
Rolestopper and Alien both would cause a hider targeting their target to fail.
So failure conditions are:
Target is Ascetic;
Target is Commuter;
Direct-roleblock of CheekyTeeky;
Direct-jailkeep of CheekyTeeky;
Direct-Alien of CheekyTeeky;
Rolestopper rolestopping hide target;
Alien rolestopping hide target.
But I agree that ultimately, while it's not unimportant (it does have implications), speculating on D2 is not productive and is arguably anti-town.
I already evaluated about jailkeeps and such, but ok i quess.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:10 am
by Taly
Why are we still setup speaking
Titua
help me fix this game
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:25 am
by Taly
Titus
please talk to me about
House
I cannot townbin that man with confidence.
I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.
I have tons of reason to believe
House
is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.
When he says things like
""don't expect me to be useful"
it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.
And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?
Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.
And now
House
is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.
I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.
I have tons of reason to believe
House
is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.
When he says things like
""don't expect me to be useful"
it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.
And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?
Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.
And now
House
is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.
I'm not very sold on
House
being town at all. He's memeposting
a lot
, picking fights unnecessarily and the way he threw some of his votes seemed to me to be at least random.
But, there's slots where hard data clearly shows a pattern, such as the final vote count of Day One. Which is why I'm avoiding of speaking on
House
, but also
Enchant
(who was my final vote Day One) for instance. Maybe they are scum. But I'm unable to tell with high confidence right now.
If I may, I'd like my thoughts to be focused on a bit more. Y'all don't have to agree with them, you can think they're shit, fine. But I would really appreciate any feedback which leads to any decisions rather than this just being shelved. Because the way the game has been going for the last 10 pages or so is pretty counterproductive.
Get out of your own ass and think outside the box for a change.
Yes, right... because rolling scum makes one immune to being annoyed by dipshittery.
Wish I rolled scum every game, in that case.
It’s not my fault you feel beta when I introduce logic that never even crossed your mind.
When someone types 96 posts one way and types a 97th with entirely different cadence and syntax, I feel it warrants at least a second look, especially when it’s someone I could be wrong about(cough).
Calling my posts fake because it makes new neurons fire for you isn’t just dick like, it’s ignorant.
Or we can just this same bullshit that you apparently love to do based on the post counts from some of your games and just bicker about nothing, and accomplish less..
Go to bed… You’re tired..
There is so much to deconstruct here we're going to need snacks.
Bbs getting snacks
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:46 am
by House
In post 1334, Greeting wrote:I'd like my thoughts to be focused on a bit more. Y'all don't have to agree with them, you can think they're shit, fine.
I'm pretty sure that's not how Flea cases as town and I'm pretty sure I've seen Flea write a case almost exactly like that one when fae were scum.
This is purely from memory and my memory is shit, so it's something which ideally should be verified when I have more time, but yeah, I do think that Flea has a quite significant chance of being scum here.
Problem is I'm never out of scum range. Go dismantle the case if you think it's bad. I'm looking forward to it.
Also from memory yes you're on oarnpostinf with CT mafia
I'm pretty sure that's not how Flea cases as town and I'm pretty sure I've seen Flea write a case almost exactly like that one when fae were scum.
This is purely from memory and my memory is shit, so it's something which ideally should be verified when I have more time, but yeah, I do think that Flea has a quite significant chance of being scum here.
Problem is I'm never out of scum range. Go dismantle the case if you think it's bad. I'm looking forward to it.
Also from memory yes you're on oarnpostinf with CT mafia
So what's a reliable way to deduce that you are town? Because I can easily see you as scum posting 1217. It's just poking at
mastina's
readrate after-the-fact when you gave no strong stance against the major wagons D1. This is largely because your focus was much more aligned with scumreading
mastina
other than finding town.
This is a convenient perspective to take as scum and I don't readily see the town motivation.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:01 am
by Enchant
Spoiler:
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:01 am
by Taly
Greeting
, refresh me on your
Galron
take.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:06 am
by Taly
Again I have too many scumreads right now.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:13 am
by Taly
Not PoE. Scumreads and THEN PoE.
I could delete half of this plist rn
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:14 am
by Taly
You know what I probably don't have more than 2 or 3 scumreads
