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Damn that's awesome. Please now waste your time distancing from your partner bbt.

In post 1316, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You're right, because Bella's VCA was awful. Awful =/= scummy.

Yeah, but one of the things scum can do to help silence town is to make town think they're bad and that they should question their thoughts and reads.

There no town benefit to town telling other town they're bad, so it's a solid scum move disguised by emotion.

Doesn't mean town can't or won't sincerely do that, but it sure is a scummy move. All good though, you're scum so that move isn't actually rude, you're just playing for the win.

It was very rough and ready but like...no denying bbt was the counter wagon. Can't see the scum motivation in my vca just not being up to standard

So what's your take away from bbt always being the counter wagon?

I wondered why there was a huge gap in VCs and then I remembered Nero modded for a bit.

You should check out my wagon being formed as a counter to Corwin.

My wagon was formed as a counter to the Somnus wagon.

Somnus and Corwin literally sat on me all Day.

I'm going to look into these votes and how they happened. Unfortunately though, it's two conf town who tipped my wagon ahead of Corwin's.

Again, both scum probably voting me to counter the Corwin wagon. Rad's vote onto Bella is interesting as well, need to go back and reread why that happened.

As a counter to the Corwin wagon I meant, not Somnus wagon.

Hopefully I didn't mess any of this up. This is all of d2's votes.

BBT wagon:

787 - Somnus immediate d2 vote

Somnus wagon:

788 - BBT immediate counter

Corwin wagon:

857 - Rad
859 - BBT
871 - Bella (E-1)
878 - Rad UNVOTE

BBT wagon:

941 - Corwin
955 - Whiskey (E-1)

Corwin wagon:

962 - Rad votes at BBT's request and offers cheap to come vote Bella
975 - Rad UNVOTE corwin

Bella wagon:

975 - Rad

BBT wagon:

1000 - Whiskey UNVOTE for sleep
1003 - Cheap (E-1)

Bella wagon:

1005 - Rad UNVOTE

BBT wagon:

1014 - Corwin UNVOTE

Somnus wagon:

1040 - Corwin
1042 - BBT (I think this is also an unvote from corwin but UNVOTE wasn't specified)
1053 - Rad (E-1)

Corwin wagon:

1073 - Bella UNVOTE

Somnus wagon:

1078 - BBT UNVOTE

Rad wagon:

1079 - Corwin (I think this is a somnus UNVOTE too)
1091 - Corwin UNVOTE

Somnus wagon:

1092 - Corwin
1110 - BBT (E-1)
1119 - Rad UNVOTE

Whiskey wagon:

1132 - Corwin

Cheap wagon:

1149 - Whiskey
1150 - Rad
1151 - Corwin (E-1) (and UNVOTE from whiskey)
1160 - Cheap (ELIMINATION)

Do you have some analysis to go with the votes?

Maybe this view is more readable. I removed anything that didn't get to E-1 and organized by player instead of just the order of the votes.

BBT wagon:

787 - Somnus immediate d2 vote
941 - Corwin
955 - Whiskey (E-1)
1014 - Corwin UNVOTE

Somnus wagon:

788 - BBT immediate counter
859 - BBT UNVOTE switch to corwin
1040 - Corwin
1042 - BBT (I think this is also an unvote from corwin but UNVOTE wasn't specified)
1053 - Rad (E-1)

Corwin wagon:

857 - Rad
859 - BBT
871 - Bella (E-1)
878 - Rad UNVOTE
962 - Rad votes at BBT's request and offers cheap to come vote Bella
975 - Rad UNVOTE
1073 - Bella UNVOTE

Cheap wagon:

1149 - Whiskey
1150 - Rad
1151 - Corwin (E-1) (and UNVOTE from whiskey)
1160 - Cheap (ELIMINATION)

In post 1334, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Do you have some analysis to go with the votes?

Nah, i just put this together now. I need to think about it, but tbh, I don't know how well I'll be able to analyze it as I've never done VCA before.

Correction: I missed an early vote from Bella she placed on Cheap in 795.

In post 897, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: I said VCA would be difficult Whiskey, I said nothing about it being useless. The lack of VCs always makes VCA difficult as it's much more effort to track votes.

You're welcome.

975

Talk to me about that unvote from Corwin and onto Bella, Rad?

In post 1339, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: 975

Talk to me about that unvote from Corwin and onto Bella, Rad?

965
970
1002

962 first

And before that, 960

Phone posting and searching iso isn't a great time.

OK, but you scum read Corwin at the same time who actually had a viable wagon going?

Why did you switch off it?

In post 1343, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:OK, but you scum read Corwin at the same time who actually had a viable wagon going?

Why did you switch off it?

Well, here I was at E-1 on a wagon with my biggest scum read Bella and everyone else's biggest scum read BBT. That was red flags for me and I don't think I was considering a Bella corwin team there, rather I was considering one of them likely a scum. So I wanted to go with my biggest scum read instead and I asked my biggest town read whiskey if he was up for it.

But you didn't care about everyone else scum reading BBT as evidenced in your 1002 so that's really not a reason.

Again, you thought both were scum and had a perfectly viable wagon on one of your scum reads. Bella was highly unlikely to be elimmed at that point of the game.

I see no change in your Corwin read to justify getting off that wagon.

What changes between 960 and the change in vote in 975? I'm not seeing it

Tbf rad your progression on me is sorta confusing and it's one of the main things that I find suspicious. But then, your hop on me day two was so scummy for very little /reason/

Also, rad seems to be arguing somnus!town so we should be safe with a corwin vote? I think it clarifies a few things.

Bella talking sense