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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:48 am

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N1 - Roffman because he claimed vig
N2 - Roffman because I thought roff was town and Wall scum, and they were going to target each other since they both claimed killer roles. Luckily I was jailkept (jailkeeped?)
N3 - EK
N4 - EK
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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:10 pm

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roffman wrote:sorry about lack of posting, it's the last week of uni and exams are coming up.

First things, i'm only voting icemanE because i forgot to unvote. I don't find his shotgun blast that scummy, more of a bored reaction trying to stir some interest.
unvote icemane
this definitely stuck out to me. especially the part i've underlined
scum tend to do this from my experience in games. vote their partners earlier on and then unvote them later for crap reasons. roffman takes it a step further and even says he's only voting iceman because of forgetfulness.
roffman wrote:Thirdly, during the whole iceman fiasco, one thing stood out to me. CFRiot and Wall-E seemed to be trying to make a big deal out of very little evidence. I'm not saying that Iceman's actions weren't scummy, they were, just the amount of effort put into analysing and dissecting a clearly stupid and joking post seems to be an attempt to frame someone as scum. Wall-E's reaction afterwards when he say that he was wrong is fine by me, but CFRiots actions just seem to me to be trying to continually set up iceman for a later lynch.
this post is wishy washy. he seems to be suspicious of iceman but also suspicious of CF for setting up iceman for a later lynch, which is kinda contradictory.

in summary, the roffman read through seems to be indicative of icemanscum, but i still have yet to read through raj, iceman, and CF so that may not hold.
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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:51 pm

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icemanE wrote:N1 - Roffman because he claimed vig
N2 - Roffman because I thought roff was town and Wall scum, and they were going to target each other since they both claimed killer roles. Luckily I was jailkept (jailkeeped?)
N3 - EK
N4 - EK
If I remember correctly, Skitzer(omgtownwtf!?) said he blocked Raj N2, not you. I'll reread to verify.

Grats to Wall-E for so far being the only one to kill scum this game. Thanks for not killing me.

I'm leaning Dahill today but I'll sit on it for a while.
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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:59 pm

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skitzer wrote:Jailkeeper. I jailkeeped IcemanE Night 1 and rajhrcpcfreak Night 2.
Both Raj and Ice claimed to have been RB'd D3. Skitzer said he blocked Raj. Either Ice straight up lied or EtT/Dahill is a maf-RB. Or EK is scum, which I don't think at all, but if she is I'm going to cry.

Ice being scum explains why a Doc lived so long. The scum having a RB also explains why a Doc lived so long because he effectively couldn't do anything.

Vote: No-lynch.
This would put us at 2 town 1 scum tomorrow instead of 3 town 1 scum. Remember in this set up 2 is a majority not 3, so any vote by anyone puts that person in hammer range. I don't think this is a tough choice though. No-lynch is the obvious best move.
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:01 pm

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Oh, and if it wasn't obvious, don't hammer the no-lynch vote yet, so we can use today to talk things out. In fact,
Unvote: No-lynch
for now but this is definitely what we should do today. No one vote anyone, or scum WILL hammer.
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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:35 pm

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If I were scum I wouldn't have killed me either. Basically the scum have a pass to mow down the confirmed townies, so there's really no need to kill me.

As far as the NL today:

0-2 Investigative Roles (Cop, Gunsmith, etc.)

farside22, Town Cop, known as Investigative A
rajrhcpfreak, Traitor Cop, known as Investigative B

0-2 Protective Roles (Doctor, Bodyguard, etc.)

ICE: doctor
EK: Mayor

0-2 Killer Roles (Vigilante, Serial Killer, etc.)

Wall-E, Town Vigilante, known as Killer A
???

0-2 Manipulator Roles (Roleblocker, Bus Driver, etc.)

???
skitzer, Town Jailkeeper, known as Role Manipulator B


So there's a possibility that CF or dahill are either the roleblocker or the SK. I know its unlikely there's a SK because of the lack of NKs, but its still a possibility. I think we ought to think about whether we really want to NL today - its probably the best choice, but I'm glad you removed your vote, CF.
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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:54 pm

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correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't 0-2 mean there could still be 1 of the role?
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skitzer wrote:Jailkeeper. I jailkeeped IcemanE Night 1 and rajhrcpcfreak Night 2.
Both Raj and Ice claimed to have been RB'd D3. Skitzer said he blocked Raj. Either Ice straight up lied or EtT/Dahill is a maf-RB. Or EK is scum, which I don't think at all, but if she is I'm going to cry.
see this is the kind of info i need you guys to tell me that i might have missed. thanks for telling me this as it confirms (from my perspective) iceman as scum.

about nolynch: i agree it is the best move for today although i think i know what will happen, but there's not outstanding reason why we shouldn't.
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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:05 pm

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correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't 0-2 mean there could still be 1 of the role?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:17 pm

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dahill1 wrote:this . . . confirms (from my perspective) iceman as scum.
Why?
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:04 pm

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CF Riot wrote:
dahill1 wrote:this . . . confirms (from my perspective) iceman as scum.
Why?
as you said...either iceman was lying about being blocked or i'm the mafia RB. as i know i'm not the mafia RB, it confirms iceman as scum since he would have no reason to lie about that as town.
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:13 pm

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What if I'm the maf-RB and I blocked Iceman? You don't consider that as a possibility?
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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:20 pm

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What if I'm the maf-RB and I blocked Iceman? You don't consider that as a possibility?
That's what I'm weighing most in my mind - thinking either CF or dahill is the RB. Dahill's immediate acceptance of the two possibilities CF suggests makes me think dahill is scum looking for an easy pick.
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:33 pm

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argh sorry guys my brain's been garbled and i'm overthinking things
for some reason i had blocked out CF as a possibility
of course i don't expect you to accept that as an excuse but that's what i get for not really reading the game

that being said, at the moment i still do think iceman is more likely scum for a couple reasons. 1) this is just from what i've played with this mod (SL). i know he likes to usually include 1 lone mafia member that doesn't know his partners with some traitors that are usually power roles of some sort. see FACE mafia in marathon day as an example. secondly, the reasons i mentioned in my previous post about likely distancing by roffman. i do still need to reread the other and will get on that in the next couple days
icemanE wrote:That's what I'm weighing most in my mind - thinking either CF or dahill is the RB. Dahill's immediate acceptance of the two possibilities CF suggests makes me think dahill is scum looking for an easy pick.
what makes you think your the "easier pick", so to speak?
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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:43 pm

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I didn't say easier, I said easy. Thus far I haven't really made a case on CF, so it's easy for you agree and run with CFs case just by virtue of it existing.
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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:21 pm

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icemanE wrote:I didn't say easier, I said easy. Thus far I haven't really made a case on CF, so it's easy for you agree and run with CFs case just by virtue of it existing.
fair enough

another point i thought of: even if there is a mafia RB, i doubt there is cop/doc/vig/jailkeep/bulletproof/mayor against traitor/cop/RB, in terms of power roles. it just seems like the town would be overpowered if that was the case
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:45 am

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icemanE wrote:If I were scum I wouldn't have killed me either. Basically the scum have a pass to mow down the confirmed townies, so there's really no need to kill me.

As far as the NL today:

0-2 Investigative Roles (Cop, Gunsmith, etc.)

farside22, Town Cop, known as Investigative A
rajrhcpfreak, Traitor Cop, known as Investigative B

0-2 Protective Roles (Doctor, Bodyguard, etc.)

ICE: doctor
EK: Mayor

0-2 Killer Roles (Vigilante, Serial Killer, etc.)

Wall-E, Town Vigilante, known as Killer A
???

0-2 Manipulator Roles (Roleblocker, Bus Driver, etc.)

???
skitzer, Town Jailkeeper, known as Role Manipulator B


So there's a possibility that CF or dahill are either the roleblocker or the SK. I know its unlikely there's a SK because of the lack of NKs, but its still a possibility. I think we ought to think about whether we really want to NL today - its probably the best choice, but I'm glad you removed your vote, CF.
I shouldn't be down there under protecive roles. I'm not protective a or protective b. I'm just the mayor, and don't fit into the power roles that have night actions groupings because I don't have a night action.
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:50 am

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E_K you're killing me. Please tell me there's more running through your head than what you just posted. What do you think about no-lynch today? What are you doing to decide on the last scum?

Another thing I thought of Ice, if there is a SK still (there's not), then even if we lynch correctly today instead of no-lynching, we go into night with 2 town 1 "scum" and the NK leads to town loss tomorrow morning. So even if there is a SK, no-lynch is still the best option. Just cross your fingers and hope for a double cross-kill.
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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:43 am

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EK wrote: I shouldn't be down there under protecive roles. I'm not protective a or protective b. I'm just the mayor, and don't fit into the power roles that have night actions groupings because I don't have a night action.
Why did you never say something like this before?
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:12 am

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CF Riot wrote:E_K you're killing me
lol

I know. I just haven't had time to think about any of this. I will do it tonight or tomorrow.
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:12 am

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icemanE wrote:
EK wrote: I shouldn't be down there under protecive roles. I'm not protective a or protective b. I'm just the mayor, and don't fit into the power roles that have night actions groupings because I don't have a night action.
Why did you never say something like this before?
I've said it all along.
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:29 am

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From page 25. D1 was looong in this game.

Iceman, should we no-lynch or try for scum today?
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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:26 pm

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CF wrote: Iceman, should we no-lynch or try for scum today?
In theory no lynch is the best idea. We just have to hope we don't have an extremely smart SK in our midst, or SK and mafia, and one of the groups has targeted who I've blocked (or no killed(unlikely)).
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:36 pm

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CF Riot wrote:
skitzer wrote:Jailkeeper. I jailkeeped IcemanE Night 1 and rajhrcpcfreak Night 2.
Both Raj and Ice claimed to have been RB'd D3. Skitzer said he blocked Raj. Either Ice straight up lied or EtT/Dahill is a maf-RB. Or EK is scum, which I don't think at all, but if she is I'm going to cry.

Ice being scum explains why a Doc lived so long. The scum having a RB also explains why a Doc lived so long because he effectively couldn't do anything.

Vote: No-lynch.
This would put us at 2 town 1 scum tomorrow instead of 3 town 1 scum. Remember in this set up 2 is a majority not 3, so any vote by anyone puts that person in hammer range. I don't think this is a tough choice though. No-lynch is the obvious best move.
I also am leaning Iceman being scum. He's being nice to me and saying he's been protecting me for a few nights which makes it hard for me to suspect him. I have a really hard time suspecting people who buddy up to me. I know it makes no sense especially because I know I have this problem. But logically... it does look like iceman is scum, unless there is a mafia RB.

Not sure about no-lynching.
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:40 pm

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EK wrote: I also am leaning Iceman being scum. He's being nice to me and saying he's been protecting me for a few nights which makes it hard for me to suspect him. I have a really hard time suspecting people who buddy up to me. I know it makes no sense especially because I know I have this problem. But logically... it does look like iceman is scum, unless there is a mafia RB.
Lol! More so than being nice I protected you because I considered you confirmed town - I was iffy on Wall-E up till he was revealed. I was definitely RBd one way or another from protecting roffman, and I doubt the JK would lie, so the only possibility I see is that there's a RB.
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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:40 pm

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Oh meant to ask what don't you like about no lynch
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