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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:59 pm
by Best Bird
In post 13399, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 13397, PenguinPower wrote:That's somehwat what I wanted to hear. Did you think his was a good response given your ?
I thought it was possible he is town here, and just forgot he had this thought earlier because this game is very long

but that post didn't sway my read on him because what else can you say as scum
Oh. I don't like that.

But thanks.

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:01 pm
by Cat Scratch Fever
Don't like what?

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:01 pm
by Best Bird
Your response

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:02 pm
by Cat Scratch Fever
Sadge

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:04 pm
by Best Bird
'tis, we had similar thoughts until "long game" became a confounding reason

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:07 pm
by catboi
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Vote Count 6.35 Rad (Best Bird, PookyTheMagicalBear, butterflies, BlueBloodedToffee, Cytosine and Guanine)

1 BlueBloodedToffee (Roden)

1 Cytosine and Guanine (Rad)

1 Best Bird (ProfessorDrapion)

1 MalcolmTucker (Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Yeet, furtiveglance, MalcolmTucker, butterchurn, JohnnyFarrar, Mislim Bait, Off the Hook)

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-28 20:20:00)

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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:09 pm
by catboi
In post 13314, furtiveglance wrote:Aren't there 16 alive?
Fixed, thank you.

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:07 pm
by Rad
@Guanine Why has your read on me changed? I'm writing up some stuff and I started to write about C&G and realized I don't actually know why G reads me scum now.

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:28 pm
by Rad
So I've just wrote this long ass post up and wanted to give a reason why. I wanted to revisit every player and think about them openly. The main reason I wanted to do this was to refresh my memory on each player and do some thought about everyone individually. But also, I feel like my wagon is legit here and I wanted to leave something both interesting to read and eventually provably real. I do not think my reads are top notch. I think I'm probably just wrong in general. But maybe something here will give some townie a new idea or maybe I nailed something and I can point to it later and feel good about it :D End of the day this is a game we've got a lot of interesting players here.

The order is based on the latest VC where I just went top to bottom, left to right.

Best Bird
- One thing I've noticed with BB is that he has become more involved in the game as time passed. I don't think this was just a VLA thing either. Like sure he was pretty absent during his VLA but he didn't just snap into the game hardcore after it. He slowly worked his way in and at this stage (and during the mala push) I feel he's at his most active. I have no idea if that's a more likely scummy thing or a more likely townie way to be engaged with the game, but I think it's probably a more townie thing. All in all I think BB probably leans town for me based on just my impression of how he interacts with people in general, and my belief that the way his thought process evolves feels genuine.

Pooky
- I had a hard town read on pooky for a long time. Even now, pooky's probably just town, yeah? But pooky's also had some of the worst takes on me being scum in the game. Trumped only by Malcolm. Further, pooky likes to just disappear for long periods and come back just to proclaim that he hasn't read the past 30 pages and doesn't care. Then pooky goes on intense tirades against people like Frog (flipped town) and myself (town, but you'll find that out soon perhaps?). This could just be pooky's personality and play style and maybe pooky just has shit reads. I dunno! Pooky's got all the accolades, right there under his name! I feel pretty intimidated by pooky in general. I have no idea if pooky is town or scum here.

Butterflies
- I'll say I kinda like Flea's approach but I can't speak to it much. They really haven't been involved long enough. So I'll speak to Nancy. Ah Nancy... Johnny pointed out that both Nancy and I have a way to just emotionally obvtown and get people to read us town because of it. Yeah, that's my entire read on Nancy. I don't see how she's not town here and the way she interacts with people makes that frustrating as hell. Like if you're town Nancy, get a grip, your reads might not be as amazing as you think. I know you're wrong about me and I bet you're wrong about one of your locktowns. If Nancy is scum, I'm absolutely blown away and have learned my lesson. No one played a better scum game than scum!nancy here. But I think she's just town and has some sort of absurd extreme confidence in her reads and it ends up clashing hard with me because as town I sometimes forget to pull my punches.

BBT
- I find it so hard to read BBT. So difficult... I actually got you completely wrong in Newbie 2098 (I was following it for the first couple days). You were my highest town read lol. I lock towned you. I was like, oh shit this is town BBT for sure! Nice game man. I was correct about you in 2095 (read entire game) but I had you as lowest town read. So this game I feel like I've spotted an actual useful read on you where you jumped off my wagon at a time that scum just had no reason to. I dunno how to read you beyond that. If you're scum here you fooled me again. I will say that you sitting on my wagon has me tilting my head because you're probably good enough to be able to town read me here properly.

C&G
- The hydra dissonance here on how they read me is pretty significant. I guess in a town!C&G scenario G has concluded that I'm probably scum and C has been convinced of it for a while. But it just doesn't feel right. Like I haven't done anything recently different than how I've played all game and if G had a town read on me before... (posted a question to G about this, will update later if I get a response). Beyond that, I don't understand why you wouldn't have been punished for breaking the rule. I mean, if it's a rule, it should have been upheld. That's the point of a rule, not to punish a player, but to maintain integrity. End of story. Otherwise, it just breaks the game. Like I cannot get a solid town read on you because you broke the rule and didn't get punished. In a game of limited information, the information you provided is that you broke the rule and the mod said "meh, whatever, fuck the game's integrity." So I assume you didn't break the rule because the rule didn't exist.

Roden
- Similar to Mala, Roden's town game that I read showed him as a complete bossman. I feel like if Roden's town, his mason role here has robbed town of a good player. I put him in a hero solve with drap + masons. I know that's ridiculous and I'm not going to push it, but Roden's play here does not match what he's capable of as town. Not even close. Neither did Mala's but Mala at least had an explanation for it. That said, this game is long as fuck and maybe town!Roden's just checked out cause he's confirmed town and who cares. But he's been playing that way since before the mason claim and that level of play is the reason he even got pressured enough to claim mason, so I dunno.

Drap
- If Drap's scum here he just deserves the win. I fully believe that if Drap is scum, he concocted this entire plan and it's thrown town into chaos. Hero solve is Drap + masons OR Drap + Pooky + _someone_ (WILD if nancy). One thing I'm pretty sure about here is that Drap's playing a character. He sounds like a different person here than in his other game from this site. He's well spoken and calm and collected in his previous game's mafia PT. I believe Drap's highly experienced and he's playing a fun character here to keep it fresh and enjoyable. Could be a town character, could be scum. I'm ok with just assuming Drap is legit town because I actively fight against my crazy ideas, and shit, who's my biggest cheerleader this game if not Drap?

CSF
- If CSF is scum, she's what I was afraid of scum!Luke pulling off. I think CSF has some of the best analysis in the game. I think scum should be very afraid of a town!CSF here. I came to the same conclusion about CSF as I did about BBT where CSF defended me at a specific time where scum just shouldn't do that. And again, CSF is defending me here and push a Malcolm wagon. Why? When I flip green, you people need to ask yourself why CSF did that if you have any suspicion of her.

Yeet/Taly
- Can't speak to Yeet. As for Taly, I really don't have much to say tbh. I got wrapped up in Nancy's hard defence of Taly that I sort of just ignored them. Just being real here lol. I know Taly read me town so that's cool. I know Taly made some huge posts here and there with lots of colors. I took away very little from those posts. I was one of the people who gave Ceph rankings on the list of 4 and I think I remember listing Taly pretty low, if not lowest. Yeah it was... town to scum... dp, johnny, math, taly maybe in that order? Or johnny first. I forget. I could go check but fuck you! So I just adjusted my read on taly based on nancy's hard defense from there.

Furtive/RCE
- Nothing much from furtive so far. I hard read RCE town. This wasn't RCE's scum game that I played with him, so if he's scum here, RCE has some fucking range. This was an analytical RCE game and I'm comfortable reading this slot town. Mala had RCE in POE though so I'm slightly hesitant. I feel Mala's a strong player that tanked this game for no good reason so I'm taking Mala's reads seriously here (including her c&g read which has me confused).

Malcolm
- OH MALCOLM. Going to be hilarious if you're town man cause that means we just TvT'd nonsense for a month. I think Malcolm's probably just scum though based on how sure he is that every single thing I do is scummy. I pointed this out forever ago and he's still doing it! It's absolutely wild. His deep analysis of my every move is so wrong that I have no choice but to just read this guy as scum. I think C&G pointed out that this isn't the town!malcolm they know and I hope they revist that if I get flipped here. But he's not on my wagon yet??

Butterchurn/Dwlee
- Dwlee is just a policy flip if there wasn't a mason claim. You don't let that level of play move past day 1 or 2 in this large of a game, right? But they claimed mason and Nancy is hyper defending him based on like 1 game where she called him out early as scum or something. So we're left with Butterchurn, which tbh I kinda like his play. But he's also playing it really safe here. He just pops in and makes a reasonable sounding post and pops out. He joined this game July 20 (coming up on 1 month!) and has 57 posts. So basically both masons are just kicked back and not giving a fuck? And butter wants to flip ME or MALCOLM? Pick one of us dude? We're either TvT or TvS. No fucking world where we're SvS. Actually now that I've thought about it and written this out, how the fuck is butterchurn going on a month in game with 57 posts? I'm going to ISO this guy for sure.

Johnny
- I <3 Johnny. I think johnny played a terrible game here though if town, EXCEPT when his other game ended and he came in and started actually playing. That was good! Or johnny's just scum and he had a little ramp up and backed off again. I dunno. Johnny could be either. I know CSF hard reads johnny scum. If I had a bullet and could shoot one, I'd absolutely shoot johnny over CSF. But I'd shoot pooky over johnny :D What a weird way to view a slot. What are you johnny? I think he's probably town and at the same time, I realize I'm probably just wrong and he's scum.

Mislim Bait/Klick
- I had that silly IRL theory about Klick + Bella that probably influenced my read too much. This guy could just be scum. I mean honestly, if I was scum this game, I'd be playing it like him. I felt he made some good points about Malcolm that I was also feeling and I just stuck him in my town read from there. His attack on me felt a little weird but still, I wrote it off as just town being town. Maybe he's town but he's playing like scum here.

OTH
- I feel so confused talking about OTH. I have to ignore GE's outbursts vs Luke/Pooky cause that was probably sincere from the player and NAI. Marci felt like she was trying to pocket me a couple times where she called me out looking for my opinion to direct her when it didn't feel right for her to care about my opinion. And marci's openly stated how she's confused on how to read me. Like it feels both town and manufactured at the same time. I'm fairly comfortable sitting on OTH as town here but I have no specific reason. It's very much like my feelings on BB, but maybe a less townie gut read than I have on BB. I also would not be surprised regardless if OTH flipped green or red, similar to BB.

I think that's it!

VOTE: Malcolm XD

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:57 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i do usually have pretty bad reads but that's never stopped me because confidence is more important than accuracy

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:02 pm
by Rad
Yo confidence all the way man. Prop yourself up in life, you got this shit!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:09 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
thx buddy can't do it without you

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:10 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
[quote=Rad]
Drap
- If Drap's scum here he just deserves the win. I fully believe that if Drap is scum, he concocted this entire plan and it's thrown town into chaos. Hero solve is Drap + masons OR Drap + Pooky + _someone_ (WILD if nancy). One thing I'm pretty sure about here is that Drap's playing a character. He sounds like a different person here than in his other game from this site. He's well spoken and calm and collected in his previous game's mafia PT. I believe Drap's highly experienced and he's
playing a fun character here
to keep it fresh and enjoyable. Could be a town character, could be scum. I'm ok with just assuming Drap is legit town because I actively fight against my crazy ideas, and shit, who's my biggest cheerleader this game if not Drap?[/quote]


I think it was more like at that time I was playing a character and I’m playing as me currently.

I’m trying to self improve and clearly I probably played better in those games your mentioning.
Im sure I’ll get better eventually, my issue is sometimes my posts are a bit barf and I’m trying to not make people feel that.

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:10 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
In post 13411, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:thx buddy can't do it without you
You go out and show everyone who you are!
Show how amazing Pooky is, make the whole city know your name!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:15 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
you can't mock me for being bad at scumhunting and also paranoia me as scum dude

pick one or the other

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:17 pm
by Rad
Lol who are you talking to here pooky?

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:19 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
probably the person who posted above me

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:22 pm
by Rad
In post 13414, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you can't mock me for being bad at scumhunting and also paranoia me as scum dude

pick one or the other
who?
In post 13416, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:probably the person who posted above me
this?
In post 13413, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 13411, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:thx buddy can't do it without you
You go out and show everyone who you are!
Show how amazing Pooky is, make the whole city know your name!
He's joking with you? I was expecting you to say me, and I was writing out my response to you lol

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:32 pm
by Rad
Pooky, you got both Frog and Me wrong. The question is why did you get these wrong. Bad reads or purposeful? "Cop check" on Luke and T-Bone give good reason to NK them, though I do agree if town they were good/scary targets. Did your spreadsheet actually lead to any actual town benefit ultimately? I thought for sure it would but did it? What else have you done this game? Popped in here and there and claimed that you haven't bothered reading? Hard pushed me and Frog. What's your town legacy in this game Pooky?

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:34 pm
by Cytosine and Guanine
In post 13407, Rad wrote:@Guanine Why has your read on me changed? I'm writing up some stuff and I started to write about C&G and realized I don't actually know why G reads me scum now.
It's mainly due to me changing my opinion on your posts from the previous Day. I originally thought that you were Town and Malcolm was scum. But after some rereading, I think that Cytosine's probably right on you and Drapion, especially since your interactions with Drapion today don't look good.
But honestly, my read on you is all over the place.
-Guanine

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:50 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
rad

for someone who writes so much

very little of what you write is actually useful

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:51 pm
by Rad
G has some believable scum play if scum. Let's say prob town here. That means C is just reading poorly. The idea that me and drap are Scum partners is hilariously bad. Flip me though over him to find out. I mean he might be scum but you should clear that team suspicion with my flip and consider him separately. It's possible that he pocketed me but there's objectively zero chance of team, not just because I know I'm town, but because that's fucking stupid. Insane scum gambit play for scum drap to hard defend scum rad this entire game post ceph gladiate.

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:51 pm
by Rad
Pooky is so boring and inconsequential this game that I hope he's scum

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:52 pm
by Rad
Pooky talking shit to a newbie who had completed 2 games. Fucking pro.

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:56 pm
by Rad
Behold me continuing to try to solve and pooky talking shit and being useless. Add more accolades.