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Faraday wrote:Also Yos Scumgroup A tried to kill andy and scumgroup B roleblocked him is another posibillity isn't it?

Sure. I think I mentioned that in my paragraph, but yeah, that's certainly possible.

Vez wrote:
I am not a watcher.

Ah, interesting. Well, you don't have to tell us what your role is. In fact, if you could go back in time and give us much less information on day 1 then you did, that would be awesome.

Yosarian2 wrote:

Andrius wrote: Hey dumbass, dramonic died protecting me.

Do you actually know if that's true?

No.

Yos2 wrote:

Andy wrote: I get the feeling I'd be killed/ maimed if I target a Son.

Interesting.

I mean, its not like its going to be a good thing. If I don't die or am injured then they probably are just aware of me/my powers, which is kinda' useless at this point.

predit2: Hi Yos. You ninja'd me. And there's no 'e' in my name, so you can call me 'Andy' if its easier for you. XD

TO be fair, I never spell anyone's name right, heh.

No big.

Wow, POSTS HAVE BEEN HERE. Heh. I read through, and I def. Agree with the ooba thing. IMO, ooba is flailing like a flag in the wind.

Also, @ooba:

What makes you so sure that there is no mafia recruiter? IMO, while it may not be likely, is still possible.

singer backing ooba's role details is good enough for me. If he was recruited N0 then Andy should have got a guilty result on him, surely?

I'd like to say that zwet wouldn't have vigged dram last night, but my experience with him makes me think it's possible. Leaving the cop alive for another day might be seen as a low risk by the scum if they weren't on his radar. Still can't wrap my head around the lack of result, but it doesn't seem to be a result of ooba's role.

animorpherv1 wrote:Also, @ooba:

What makes you so sure that there is no mafia recruiter? IMO, while it may not be likely, is still possible.

I don't think he said that?

I don't like it simply because in a game where the flavor dictates to Andrius that he knocks somebody out and then searches their room, the same would also be true that the mafia might just kill a guy, and search their room, learning exactly what they were capable of. Not to mention there is probably a rolecop or two floating around in the scumcults. Obviously thats not very far-fetched considering the mechanics we've experienced thus far (that the don's sons must recruit their power roles, just like in The Godfather Part II video game or some other mafia video game).

ooba: have you asked the mod if your doublevotes will show up in the vote count? If so, I am gonna need more than just a backed claim to prove that you're not scum. and that seems like something you'd ask the mod, as a smart player playing a vig/doublevoter.

singersigner: did it not occur to you that my first paragraph might hold true and ooba might still be scum, who saw both an opportunity to reinforce a fakeclaim AND draw out an unwitting counter-claim?

Remember, there were no deaths on Night 0. I wouldn't put it past Flay to give the don's sons both a RECRUIT power and a ROLECOP power (so they could know who to recruit for the next night, if they wanted). ooba could easily have been setting up a falseclaim for himself with that post about TheLonging, if he'd rolecopped any of the loose cannons on Night 0. Once zwet flipped, it would have been the perfect time to lay the claim, and reveal the breadcrumb only AFTER drawing out a counter-claim from another pro-town person.

This is all too fishy.

So I'm thinking about the possible causes that Andrius would get that result on ooba. It has to be either:
- it's a product of Andrius' role.
- it's an effect of ooba's role.
- it's an effect of a factional action (block, etc).

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And on a different subject:
How many people believe that by Night 1, when there have been 4 chances to recruit Yos2, that he hasn't been recruited by now? Anyone?

ReaperCharlie wrote:I don't like it simply because in a game where the flavor dictates to Andrius that he knocks somebody out and then searches their room, the same would also be true that the mafia might just kill a guy, and search their room, learning exactly what they were capable of. Not to mention there is probably a rolecop or two floating around in the scumcults. Obviously thats not very far-fetched considering the mechanics we've experienced thus far (that the don's sons must recruit their power roles, just like in The Godfather Part II video game or some other mafia video game).

ooba: have you asked the mod if your doublevotes will show up in the vote count? If so, I am gonna need more than just a backed claim to prove that you're not scum. and that seems like something you'd ask the mod, as a smart player playing a vig/doublevoter.

singersigner: did it not occur to you that my first paragraph might hold true and ooba might still be scum, who saw both an opportunity to reinforce a fakeclaim AND draw out an unwitting counter-claim?

Remember, there were no deaths on Night 0. I wouldn't put it past Flay to give the don's sons both a RECRUIT power and a ROLECOP power (so they could know who to recruit for the next night, if they wanted). ooba could easily have been setting up a falseclaim for himself with that post about TheLonging, if he'd rolecopped any of the loose cannons on Night 0. Once zwet flipped, it would have been the perfect time to lay the claim, and reveal the breadcrumb only AFTER drawing out a counter-claim from another pro-town person.

This is all too fishy.

So I'm thinking about the possible causes that Andrius would get that result on ooba. It has to be either:
- it's a product of Andrius' role.
- it's an effect of ooba's role.
- it's an effect of a factional action (block, etc).

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And on a different subject:
How many people believe that by Night 1, when there have been 4 chances to recruit Yos2, that he hasn't been recruited by now? Anyone?

My result on ooba doesn't come from an excess "product of my role" unless its a mod note or sanity issue (like the recruiting doesn't screw with me enough .

I see what you're trying to say, RC, in regards to Yosarin2 being the best player here, but I have meta to prove this. (Greek Mythology.) XD Also, Yos could just be a VT. I feel like pushing a wagon on Yos2 is a heavy gamble, BUT something that we shouldn't throw aside.
I actually like playing with him, tbh, as he's rational and isn't some asshat-VT or a infrequent poster.

ReaperCharlie wrote: And on a different subject:
How many people believe that by Night 1, when there have been 4 chances to recruit Yos2, that he hasn't been recruited by now? Anyone?

I understand where you're coming with this. I can only speculate about why they haven't recruited me, of course, but I will say that if scum can recruit power roles, when we had 4 people claim (or mega-uber-softclaim) major power roles yesterday (Andrius, Dramonic, TheLonging, Vez), I would expect them to have been a much higher priority last night. And, of course, there's always the WIFOM factor (do you recruit the obvious choice, knowing that he's the obvious choice and will therefore draw more investigations/vigs/watchers/attention/ect, or do you not recruit him and hope he gets mislynched for being the obvious recruit choice,ect).

It's basically the same as in a normal game; if you're scum, do you shoot the most experienced player night 1, and risk him being doc protected, or do you let him live and then try to bring up the fact that he's still alive as an argument against him later? Which way they go depends on the scum group. For example, I never got recruited in the last cult game I played (Lost Boys, also a Mr. Flay game) even though I survived for several days (and eventually got mislynched).

But, yeah. Logically, if scum can recruit power roles and keep the powers, the most obvious choices for scum recruitment last night would have been Andy or Vez (Turn the claimed information roles, remove threats and manipulate the town with them later) or TheLonging (turn the claimed one shot vig, save the shot for endgame). I don't think we should really be looking for recruits until after we get the recruiters, but we are going to have to hunt down all the cult members eventually, so it's worth keeping in mind.

ITT we eat fed to us by Yosarian2.

Om nom nom.

Haha. That's hilarious, RC. You made that wiki page?

Anyway, yeah, the argument you raise, the question of "would scum target the most experienced player, would town protective roles protect the most experienced player, would townies expect the scum to target the most experienced player, would scum intentionally plant the idea that they would target the experienced player", ect, is a very old one, and inherently very WIFOMish.

If Vezo hadn't already softclaimed a PR, I'd seriously consider him a prime candidate for lynching. However, Vezo is unlikely to be recruited, due to general VI-ness and better targets. Such as Yos2. (I probably fit into the "Unlikely to be recruited" category myself - I know I wouldn't recruit me if I had the choice, and I me)

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Theory: Andy was recruited last night. So he's giving a 'No Result' instead of claiming guilty on scum on his team. [/wifom]

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I don't really think, given the recruiting nature of the game, that we can play follow the cop. Especially given that Scum may have gotten a roleblocker already.

The ooba wagon is absurd.

Regarding the Yos thing: RC has been pushing this wagon too hard and too long without any analysis of play. It would be interesting if he were a recruiter and chose to push this wagon early in the hopes that the other team would recruit him. I just think he's scummy and prefers to lynch someone based on their reputation rather than his play. I'm up to lynch him.

I'm always up for a Friend lynch.

Has no one considered that the scum would recruit someone likely to be lynched the next day? They are trying to beat each other, not just us you know. The multicult game that I ran ended up being a fight between cults, and that's what I expect to happen here. The one with the most votes win. In the end, while having Yos on your team is really great in theory, when everyone presumes he's scum, he doesn't add much to your team. A cult wants investigative roles and killing roles, in order to outfight the other team, not people that will be suspected.

Of course, if he's the recruiter it's all meaningless anyway.

The sum point is this: Expect that the cults will be exhorting to lynch one another, not to be conspiring together to lynch us.

ReaperCharlie wrote:singersigner: did it not occur to you that my first paragraph might hold true and ooba might still be scum, who saw both an opportunity to reinforce a fakeclaim AND draw out an unwitting counter-claim?

Actually, no. I don't think he would've gotten all the details right with the fakeclaim, just after having seen the flip of zwet. And if you're talking about me counter-claiming...well, my partner soft-claimed several times during D1, so it's not like I could've CC'd...

Yosarian2 wrote:Haha. That's hilarious, RC. You made that wiki page?

yeah haha

Lord Gurgi wrote:The ooba wagon is absurd.

care to explain why?

Lord Gurgi wrote:Regarding the Yos thing: RC has been pushing this wagon too hard and too long without any analysis of play. It would be interesting if he were a recruiter and chose to push this wagon early in the hopes that the other team would recruit him. I just think he's scummy and prefers to lynch someone based on their reputation rather than his play. I'm up to lynch him.

Pushing which wagon? ooba? or Yos2?

Lord Gurgi wrote:I'm always up for a Friend lynch.

noted.

Lord Gurgi wrote:Has no one considered that the scum would recruit someone

not

likely to be lynched the next day? They are trying to beat each other, not just us you know. The multicult game that I ran ended up being a fight between cults, and that's what I expect to happen here. The one with the most votes win. In the end, while having Yos on your team is really great in theory, when everyone presumes he's scum, he doesn't add much to your team. A cult wants investigative roles and killing roles, in order to outfight the other team, not people that will be suspected.

cool story bro.

Lord Gurgi wrote:Of course, if he's the recruiter it's all meaningless anyway.

nice footnote: "of course, everything I just said might mean nothing. disregard it if it's all wrong."

glad to know you stand behind what you're preaching.

singersigner wrote:

ReaperCharlie wrote:singersigner: did it not occur to you that my first paragraph might hold true and ooba might still be scum, who saw both an opportunity to reinforce a fakeclaim AND draw out an unwitting counter-claim?

Actually, no. I don't think he would've gotten all the details right with the fakeclaim, just after having seen the flip of zwet. And if you're talking about me counter-claiming...well, my partner soft-claimed several times during D1, so it's not like I could've CC'd...

So if ooba flips a scum role other than loose cannon, do you suggest that we lynch you?

Or do you suggest we WIFOM away about whether you were dumb enough to reveal yourself for no reason except to protect probscum?

And you do realize that you just painted a target on your back for recruitment/killing, right?

*facepalm*






This game.

Let's see what other stuff happens.

- in the limited time we've had since daybreak, I'm convinced he has been recruited.

ooba (ReaperCharlie, Chronopie, gandalf5166, vezokpiraka, animorpherv1)
ReaperCharlie (Friend, inHimshallibe)



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Erg0 wrote:

animorpherv1 wrote:Also, @ooba:

What makes you so sure that there is no mafia recruiter? IMO, while it may not be likely, is still possible.

I don't think he said that?

He said that he doesn't think that mafia can't recruit and kill. That is just my interperation of it.

vezokpiraka wrote:

aim ooba

Let's see what other stuff happens.

I'm pretty confused by you at this point, Vezo. Can you explain what thought process led you to this vote?

Well.
He probably is a scum brother.
Andrius no result pretty much means that.
And he has been acting scummy all of yesterday.
He probably recruited a loose cannon.

inHimshallibe wrote:

Aim: ReaperCharlie

- in the limited time we've had since daybreak, I'm convinced he has been recruited.

What specifically leads you to believe that?
Was I not also touting ooba-scum on Day 1?

For the record I am still quite suspicious of Faraday, Yos2, and I'm getting more itchy about Lord Gurgi.

But ooba needs to be swingin', prontostyle.

Look, the Furcolow wagon was obviously (to me, at least) scum-driven. He was a VI, an easy target, and for people that don't have experience with him, always scummy.

I am almost sure one of these 4: {Porochaz, Erg0, Lord Gurgi, Yosarian2} is scum based on that assertion.

Erg0 is the towniest of the four, followed by Yos2, LG, Porochaz, although it gets pretty close between those three.

I feel like Porochaz/LG are also using the "try to lynch easy targets" approach on me. Through not being helpful and explaining my reads, I agree I've painted myself as somewhat scummy. The case Poro made on me was never based on any concrete evidence; just me being difficult.

In addition, here he calls furc a VI, not scum:

Porochaz wrote:Scum
Friend
RC/Inhim
ani
vezok/Frank
VI

Im not counting you and I havent noticed gandalf tbh.

But then starts a wagon on Furc based on "terrible posts." VIs make "terrible posts" ALL the time, and he had furc down as a VI before his vote. The switch is unexplained and scummy.

In conclusion...

ReaperCharlie wrote:

singersigner wrote:

ReaperCharlie wrote:singersigner: did it not occur to you that my first paragraph might hold true and ooba might still be scum, who saw both an opportunity to reinforce a fakeclaim AND draw out an unwitting counter-claim?

Actually, no. I don't think he would've gotten all the details right with the fakeclaim, just after having seen the flip of zwet. And if you're talking about me counter-claiming...well, my partner soft-claimed several times during D1, so it's not like I could've CC'd...

So if ooba flips a scum role other than loose cannon, do you suggest that we lynch you?

Or do you suggest we WIFOM away about whether you were dumb enough to reveal yourself for no reason except to protect probscum?

And you do realize that you just painted a target on your back for recruitment/killing, right?

*facepalm*






This game.

Uh, so you realize that I didn't claim. I only clarified what my predecessor had already claimed. So blame him for "being dumb enough" to paint that target on my back, kthx.

kyw ^_^

Friend wrote:Look, the Furcolow wagon was obviously (to me, at least) scum-driven. He was a VI, an easy target, and for people that don't have experience with him, always scummy.

[REDACTED, ONGOING GAME] And if he's always scummy, how are we to know if he's actually scum? [MORE REDACTED BECAUSE OF ONGOING GAME].

I am almost sure one of these 4: {Porochaz, Erg0, Lord Gurgi, Yosarian2} is scum based on that assertion.

Erg0 is the towniest of the four, followed by Yos2, LG, Porochaz, although it gets pretty close between those three.

Why is erg0 the towniest? Do you seriously expect to get away with saying this stuff without saying why at all?

I feel like Porochaz/LG are also using the "try to lynch easy targets" approach on me. Through not being helpful and explaining my reads, I agree I've painted myself as somewhat scummy. The case Poro made on me was never based on any concrete evidence; just me being difficult.

Clarify what you mean by '"try to lynch easy targets" approach on me.' Do you mean you're the easy target? Hardly. You're not even one of the leading wagons.

In addition, here he calls furc a VI, not scum:

Porochaz wrote:Scum
Friend
RC/Inhim
ani
vezok/Frank
VI

I'm not counting you and I haven't noticed gandalf tbh.

Are you saying VI's are automatically town?

But then starts a wagon on Furc based on "terrible posts." VIs make "terrible posts" ALL the time, and he had furc down as a VI before his vote. The switch is unexplained and scummy.

Maybe by "terrible", me meant voteworthily(isn't that a cool word?) scummy.

In conclusion...

aim: Porochaz

Bolded mine(except for the aim).