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grrr...

I am wanting to talk about the dekes wagon

no I did not skip your reads

Oh dekes. The "god i am being wagoned the fuck out of lemme go away and get replaced" kid. Sounds like killer apple minus the being obvtown part. I seem to recall making a post super early this game day about how I thought that we should make sure to independently look at dekes, and now that (XENOBLADE IS OVER FUCK YOU ORCITEAM) I can explain that this is giving me AJ the Epic vibes.

So you wanna do dat?

what are you wanting to do exactly

ohhhh nexxxxxuuuuuusssss

Go back and look at the cases peeps made and see if they're still true? lots of mindless "herpaderp sheep dead town" votes disturb me.

Who besides nacho made a serous case on dekes? Anyone?

why aren't you pushing a reck case?

This game's been on the backburner today and yesterday, because of other games taking time and effffffort.

Also not even sure if I want a reck case anymore given how today has played out.

I'll make my vote useful in a minute.

then why were you trying to steer me to your reads if you no longer felt confident about them?

Because the reck one is getting less awesome given the stuff that happened after i posted it and me re-reading him again with those few new posts in light, but the others stand pretty safely?

Also that reminds me I gave myself homework in that post, so i should do that.

hhmmm....

In post 1346, Venmar wrote:Amrun you're blowing things out of proportion... and you should seriously stop flailing shit at me like I took your favourite barbie doll. In fact, you're just flailing in general.

Confirm Vote: Amrun

This is exactly what I mean. You could say this to ANY response in general that I gave you -- it doesn't mean anything at all. In fact, my behavior towards anyone but perhaps Tierce could NOT at all be considered "flailing." Either way, flailing isn't a scum tell.

Saying super generic things about me that aren't even true doesn't make a case. I know for a fact you're capable of better, so why aren't you giving it?

Super generic?

You flatter me amrun

In post 1361, Generic wrote:Super generic?

You flatter me amrun

Remember kids, real superheroes do drugs. Lots and LOTS of drugs.

GENERIC drugs, though.

>.>

The desp vs macmollie bitch slapping text really messed the flow. Where are we at? Still no dekes, I still can't decide if desp vs macmollie is town vs scum or town vs town.

And yeah that's where I'm at.

Desperado and macmollie, what is your read on dekes?

Okay... I really dislike wall posting, especially when it's back and forth and back and forth. If you're going to wallpost, fine, but do me a favor and summarize it as succintly as possible afterwards or in a separate post so that I can read the wall for context if need be, but can get the gist without doing so.

That being said... what was the thrust of the whole macmollie clusterfuck the past few pages?

In post 1326, tsunami wrote:So the situation here goes mollie thought playing on the seesaw would be fun, and asked for desperado to give him some cotton candy. Mollie ate the cotton candy, but did not say thanks or sit on her end of the seesaw. Day two comes around, and desperado sees mollie at the seesaw promising fun and cotton candy to other people and feels slighted that she forgot all about desperado whom she left waiting all day and night. So when he goes up to mollie and says what about the cotton candy I gave you yesterday, didn't you like it, aren't you going to sit on the seesaw and have fun with me? Mollie replies that a new day comes with new friends and she doesn't care about day old cotton candy and to even ask is horrible of him.

Mollie just say thank you for the damn cotton candy, and take your turn on the see saw. Desperado made a very reasonable request and its pretty just twilight zone your response.

As for the meta discussion - desperado you are misunderstanding mollie. When she says things like wow your terrible at scum, she's meaning that she's reading you as scum right now and thinks you're terrible at it. She doesn't mean she metad you and learned that.

There were a few posts by generic that are having me doubt my scum read there a little. I need to look back because it could just be me liking anyone who sounded reasonable during that argument.

This is a pretty accurate summary IMO -- however, it doesn't draw any alignment conclusions, which is best since you really should draw them for yourself.

The crux of it is that desperado felt that mollie was ignoring him/being inconsistent and in their talks about this, he thought she was positing an impossible meta read on him and therefore lying scum. Mollie disagrees and thinks he's scum.

It's clear that Mollie's post can be interpreted as NOT a meta read and calling it such is a stretch, but if desperado believed what he was saying and vice versa is up for you to decide.

Personally, I think they both believed their arguments, but I don't think that's alignment relevant for Desperado and the fence is currently giving me splinters on him right now. Mollie is town.

Hello everyone, I am currently VLA until Sunday, so when I can I will read to catch up. I am also UCT +4, see you Sunday.

In post 1365, Generic wrote:The desp vs macmollie bitch slapping text really messed the flow. Where are we at? Still no dekes, I still can't decide if desp vs macmollie is town vs scum or town vs town.

And yeah that's where I'm at.

Desperado and macmollie, what is your read on dekes?

well since I am the one who started the dekes wagon what does that tell you

In post 1366, xRECKONERx wrote:Okay... I really dislike wall posting, especially when it's back and forth and back and forth. If you're going to wallpost, fine, but do me a favor and summarize it as succintly as possible afterwards or in a separate post so that I can read the wall for context if need be, but can get the gist without doing so.

That being said... what was the thrust of the whole macmollie clusterfuck the past few pages?

meh, I think I am over it. desp stepped in when I was pressuring inhim who was rolefishing like a mofo to fos me cos apparently I was neglecting him or something. I read him as scum for that cos the timing seemed a bit opportunistic to me.

so far here is a list of my reads:

inhim - rolefishing, he isn't scumhunting I mean he is sneakily sneaking around in very sneaky ways and everyone is letting him get away with it. he promised something flashy and shiny and I am still waiting for it. nacho had bro guy as scum and I understand why; bro's play in this game was very very different than in xeno. I think it bugged nacho that bro trusted my reads over his but there is a good reason for that i.e. xeno. so I didn't see it as scummy, but there are some things that he did that made me go a little hhhhmmm. but inhim is really scumming up that slot. he is in the upper tier of my scum list.

desperado - going on a desp diet for the mo, but I find it weird that he misunderstood what I was saying I did like however his "wtf?" when inhim tried to justify his rolefishing by "oh at the end of the game you want only vts alive cos that is how town wins" cos I mean really, anybody who remotely thinks that is town motivated should probably fall on their sword or something it will be the only way they can regain their honour.

amrun - she is posting exactly what I am thinking at the time I am thinking it. <---- town tell for me. it has happened multiple times, enough that I have her down as town.

cabd - <----- must not lynch ever ever ever if you guys even about it I will hunt you down and sneak into your bedroom window while you sleep and hold a pillow over your face until you are no longer breathing. I will do this even though according to him

tierce/tsunami - not liking either of them tbh. I don't buy for a second that nacho was just trolling tierce. I mebbe he was just poking for a reaction but I don't like how they are both dismissing it and trying to ride on nacho's town read on them. tierce bugs me more than tammy.

venny - unsure. I think I am leaning town though.

generic - I think he is probably town but he is whiny.

cdb - I still think he is town. strongest town read.

nexus - I think he might have been eaten by direwolves or something I mean where did he go. he also isn't doing much so back to unsure but I am trusting cdb on this.

reck - hasn't done much but I think is probably town.

dekes - okay lets see what his replacement does I guess. still not a fan of him and I lean scum.

if I have not mentioned you it is probably cos y'all are boring or lurky scum. will probably be pushing those staying away from the activity in the game I mean it isn't like there isn't a whole bunch of stuff to comment on.

In post 1369, Smudger wrote:Hello everyone, I am currently VLA until Sunday, so when I can I will read to catch up. I am also UCT +4, see you Sunday.

aaaaaaand this does not make me feel one iota better about this slot

Mollie:

Have I been huffing glue because I am confused on your cabd read. I thought you thought killer apple was totally scum? What changed? I kind of forgot that whole shitfest happened.

Personally I had KA as town in the end but cabd has been meeeh for me. I tried to engage tierce on this subject but I can't remember if she had posted since -- either way no response as of yet.

In post 1365, Generic wrote:The desp vs macmollie bitch slapping text really messed the flow. Where are we at? Still no dekes, I still can't decide if desp vs macmollie is town vs scum or town vs town.

And yeah that's where I'm at.

Desperado and macmollie, what is your read on dekes?

I didn't have one. I'll get back to you once Smudger moves the needle one way or the other.

In post 1370, macmollie wrote:desperado - going on a desp diet for the mo, but I find it weird that he misunderstood what I was saying that much. I did like however his "wtf?" when inhim tried to justify his rolefishing by "oh at the end of the game you want only vts alive cos that is how town wins" cos I mean really, wtf? anybody who remotely thinks that is town motivated should probably fall on their sword or something it will be the only way they can regain their honour.

It was the comment about "you're so easy to read" and "this isn't town desp." Both of those read to me like you were basing your read on more than just this game. I've already squashed it in my head.

In post 1370, macmollie wrote:inhim - rolefishing, he isn't scumhunting I mean he is sneakily sneaking around in very sneaky ways and everyone is letting him get away with it. he promised something flashy and shiny and I am still waiting for it. nacho had bro guy as scum and I understand why; bro's play in this game was very very different than in xeno. I think it bugged nacho that bro trusted my reads over his but there is a good reason for that i.e. xeno. so I didn't see it as scummy, but there are some things that he did that made me go a little hhhhmmm. but inhim is really scumming up that slot. he is in the upper tier of my scum list.

I think CDB put it best when he called him weird. inHim is clearly playing by a different set of rules, and not necessarily alignment wise. I'd probably compromise on him at deadline but Nexus is much scummier.

In post 1370, macmollie wrote:nexus - I think he might have been eaten by direwolves or something I mean where did he go. he also isn't doing much so back to unsure but I am trusting cdb on this.

Why? CDB's read is "I know he's town because I know."

And Nexus asking me "Is a fake dayvig ALWAYS the worst thing?" when he knew damn well what the answer would be doesn't make any sense to me. His responses to my questions weren't very satisfying either.

In post 1370, macmollie wrote:tierce/tsunami - not liking either of them tbh. I don't buy for a second that nacho was just trolling tierce. I mebbe he was just poking for a reaction but I don't like how they are both dismissing it and trying to ride on nacho's town read on them. tierce bugs me more than tammy.

I feel really good about tammy being town. What's the scum motivation for her assessment of our argument? Not only did she read it, she had a reasonable and concise interpretation that calmed everyone down and moved the game forward. I don't lean either direction on tierce.

In post 1370, macmollie wrote:generic - I think he is probably town but he is whiny.

Do you think it could be whiny scum? Of the people who complained about our argument I think his contribution was scummiest. And I still don't like his treatment of my Nexus vote early in the day.

Speaking of which,