In post 1348, Magua wrote:But town should've lost it the point where D3 ended with Darox not shooting.
I'll maintain until my dying day that Darox shooting at that point would have been a bad idea. We had less than 72h until deadline, which is officially the derpiest time for scumhunting. It's not like we had two good candidates for scum, and could shoot one and then lynch the other. Town was ALL over the place.
saulres: Your setup was fine (re: the dead thread). I didn't have all the pieces in front of me and could NOT figure out how it all went together.
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:29 am
by Magua
The only reason it was 72 hours was that for the first 10 days of the Day, apparently no one (including Darox himself) bothered to say, "We should shoot someone" as more than a passing phrase. It was incredibly apathetic.
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:30 am
by Jake from State Farm
had darox shot you flay, I would have known right away scum was NS/NSin.
Gorckat's reaction to my note was town, magua's play was also much better than gorckat's making me feel better about the slot.
p.edit - yeah, Darox should have shot. early in the day would have been better so I am kind of disappointed in him for not doing that.
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:32 am
by NSin
so close
to winning
30 seconds
ugh
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:34 am
by gorckat
I think we suffered a bit from the AA9/Jake personality conflict, TIP's VI-ness and my own inability to put the time needed in (thanks, Magua, for doing the slot better service).
I think there is a worthy title nom somewhere between Jake 'dropping' the hammer and notsci swinging with it.
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:35 am
by Mr. Flay
I have no idea why Darox played the way he did with his role.
I have no idea why TIP played the way he did with his role.
I have no idea why Kid A played the way he did with his role.
I have no idea why ArcAngel played the way she did with her role (though glad to see I was right about the Lovers-as-antitown thing).
I have no idea why I secondguessed Jake as Town, or why he turned on me permanently for worrying about his alignment.
I have no idea why everyone thought this was a no-VT game.
I have no idea why I never got around to suggesting a D1 flavorclaim.
I was also thinking I was the only VT for a minute.
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:39 am
by Jake from State Farm
I dunno if its nom worthy buy magua was an awesome replacement.
P.edit - your refusal to caps post for self preservation I didn't like. I don't see self preservation as town.
P.edit - had Darox shot again he would have been confirmed town IMO
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:40 am
by Mr. Flay
Or SK. I was beginning to think he was NK-immune scum after the lack of kill N2. Turns out scum was just derping as hard as town...
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:10 am
by saulres
Role PMs.
Spoiler: Darox
saulres wrote:You are
020: Library & information sciences
, aligned with the
town
.
Flavor:
That’s right, you’re the Librarian! Your goal is to shush the loud ones.
Ability:
Whenever you see someone “screaming” (using all-caps in a non-normal way) you can PM me a link to that post. I will edit the post with “The Librarian says shhh” or something to that effect. You may not report that post again.
Once per day, if you report someone for the third time this game (not necessarily using a post they made in the current day), they will be ejected from the library. Use of this ability is optional, and unreported screaming will not count.
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: Vigilante
Note: While this role was designed to
limit
the amount of shouting, Darox figured out how to play it to maximize shouting I did rule that the way Flay and Jake used caps most of the time was as emphasis of one word, rather than as shouting; where I would use
italics
for emphasis, others used ALL-CAPS for emphasis That use was not a reportable one, because the flavor is "no shouting in the library". This made Darox sad.
Spoiler: TheIrishPope
saulres wrote:You are
115: Time
, aligned with the
town
.
Flavor:
You know all there is about time and how to control it. But it’s very taxing to do so.
Ability:
One twilight during the game, after a lynch but before the flip, you may turn back time. The day will start again, with no votes on anyone. If we’re more than halfway through the day, the new day deadline will be half as long as the original one. You will have 24 hours (no weekend extension) to decide if you want to overturn the lynch but please try to make the decision as soon as possible, to avoid people questioning the delay in the flip and assuming your role exists. I’ll accept pre-emptive ones to help avoid this (for example, “If <xxx> is lynched, undo it.”)
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: Governor
Spoiler: notscience
saulres wrote:You are
230: Christian Theology
, aligned with the
scum
.
Flavor:
Your main focus is baptism; you've sponsored so many children that many people have called you their Godfather. You've also been asked to do some exorcisms. Two in particular stand out. In the first you failed so utterly that the demon possessed you and turned you into one evil son of a bitch. The other was to try to oust a wolf from a human, Ingrid. But you were so intrigued by his/her desire desire to eat people you decided to help him/her do that. In order to do that, you and she may communicate here at all times. You and she can kill one person a night by posting
Kill: PlayerName
in that QT, which will go public after the game.
Ability:
You're still a Godfather, though. There is a Rolecop in this game. If they investigate you, they will get Vanilla Townie unless,
before the end of Night 1
, you provide me with a fake role you wish to claim. That role must have a Dewey Decimal number, specification, and if it's not vanilla, be based on some existing role on the mafiascum wiki.
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when you control 50% of the town or nothing can stop that from happening.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: VT or fakeclaim if provided
Spoiler: mozamis/Jake from State Farm
saulres wrote:You are
383: Postal communication
, aligned with the
town
.
Flavor:
Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays you from the swift completion of your appointed rounds. You’re an expert at delivering communication.
Ability:
Each night you may PM me a message to send to a player of your choosing. At the beginning of the next day, that player will receive the message, but not know who sent it.
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: Mailman
Spoiler: spicer1209/ArcAngel9
saulres wrote:You are
440: Romance Languages
, aligned with the
town
.
Flavor:
Ah, romance! You are an expert in the subject, and would love to woo another who would be receptive to your advances.
Ability:
Each night you
must
try to woo one other player. If you don't choose one, one will be picked randomly. If you find someone sympathetic to your advances, the
following
night you will become Lovers with that person. You may not target any player more than once, and if you find someone you may not continue searching.
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: Visitor BUT see Mod Note
MODNOTE: If 6xx is targeted, on the night they become Lovers this player will return Lover to the Rolecop. Also send them this new role PM:
You are 440: Romance Languages. Ah, romance! You are an expert in the subject, and have managed to use your knowledge to woo another. xxxx is your Lover. If either of you dies, the other will die as well. You may talk to each other at any time <here>
You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Rolecop investigation returns: Lover
Spoiler: Ingrid/Sundy/NSin
saulres wrote:You are
599: Mammalia
, aligned with the
scum
.
Flavor:
And what a mammal you are! Not just a wolf, but a
werewolf
! Here in a library the only thing to eat is people, so that's what you try to do each night. Oh, except for notscience. He's always talking about Jesus and Heaven and that kind of stuff but in reality he's some kind of sicko who likes to help you eat people. So you work together, communicating here whenever you wish, to help you eat everyone else. You and he can kill one person a night by posting
Kill: PlayerName
in that QT, which will go public after the game.
Ability:
No special ability other than your factional kill. You're so goon-like!
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when you control 50% of the town or nothing can stop that from happening.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: Werewolf
Spoiler: Mr. Flay
saulres wrote:You are
641: Food & Drink
, aligned with the
town
.
Flavor:
An expert in all things food, you can tell the difference easily between flavors such as chocolate and vanilla. Speaking of which, that’s what you are. Vanilla.
Ability:
You? Nope. You're a vanilla townie.
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: Vanilla Townie BUT see Mod Note
MODNOTE: If this player is targeted by 440, the following night they will become Lovers, and this player will return Lover to the Rolecop. Also send them this new role PM:
You are 635, Garden crops (Horticulture). You appreciated the flowers sent to you by xxx so much that you are now Lovers with him/her. If either of you dies, the other will die as well. You may talk to each other at any time <here>
You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Rolecop investigation returns: Lover
Spoiler: Kid A
saulres wrote:You are
792: Stage presentations
, aligned with the
town
.
Flavor:
Stanislavski had nothing on you. Not only can you assume any role, you can tell what role is being played by any other person.
Ability:
Each night you may investigate one person. I will tell you what role their role is based on, but not their Dewey Decimal classification nor any modifications I may have made to the role. For example, if you investigated yourself, I would tell you you were a Role Cop. Protip: Don't investigate yourself.
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: Role Cop
Spoiler: gorckat/Magua
saulres wrote:You are
811: Poetry
, aligned with the
town
.
Flavor:
You are a fantastic poet,
but you are not required to show it.
Here are two letters that sound the same:
V and T, which you are in this game.
Why oh why couldn't you be:
"Lit: Romance Languages, 840"?
Ability:
You have none. You're a vanilla townie.
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: VT
Spoiler: Amrun
saulres wrote:You are
938 History of ancient world; Greece
, aligned with the
town
.
Flavor:
Ah, the day of such luminaries as Alexander the Great. You know what he had? Bodyguards! Just like you.
Ability:
Each night you may PM me the name of another player. If that player is the target of a kill, you will be killed instead of that person.
Vote:
Of course, you can vote.
Win Condition
: You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Details
Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.
Rolecop investigation returns: Bodyguard
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:14 am
by Jake from State Farm
another great game modded by saulres, as always I enjoy playing your games
The only way I thought he could be scum was if he was 1-shot. As a multishot Dayvig, there was no balanced way he could be scum. Which is why all my talk is, "Darox should kill someone, if he fails to kill he gets lynched."
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:17 am
by Jake from State Farm
also magua, had we actually lynched someone instead of NL, we would have lost so while you were mad about the NL, it really helped win the game
In post 1362, Jake from State Farm wrote:also magua, had we actually lynched someone instead of NL, we would have lost so while you were mad about the NL, it really helped win the game
If Darox shot no one and we lynched Flay, it would've lost us the game, yeah.
It was more that, as of the start of D3, Town could control two deaths (Darox kill + lynch). With the NL, mafia got a kill and then Town would get one lynch.
So town gives up a Town-controlled kill *and* lets mafia kill first.
Trying to lynch Flay at the end of D3 was entirely anger on my part, because I could not fathom Flay-town just letting the dayvig shot go unused. That was what pushed me into tunnel mode on Flay. (Then he was all, "I ain't gonna let Darox shoot me!" etc)
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:58 am
by Mr. Flay
*shrug* Darox was so evasive about his role I wasn't even sure I believed him about being multishot. But yeah, D3 was weirdly apathetic. Also while I get the 'letting yourself get shot is optimal' argument, it only makes sense from YOUR perspective, not mine. I know I'm a miskill, and with <72 left I had no faith in town responding to my death appropriately or effectively. Would have rather waited for another Day to figure things out (5 left would have meant we could have Darox shoot during Twilight, for double the chances to hit scum).
In post 1359, saulres wrote:Note: While this role was designed to limit the amount of shouting, Darox figured out how to play it to maximize shouting I did rule that the way Flay and Jake used caps most of the time was as emphasis of one word, rather than as shouting; where I would use italics for emphasis, others used ALL-CAPS for emphasis That use was not a reportable one, because the flavor is "no shouting in the library". This made Darox sad.
Heh. Phoneposting FTW! Tags were too hard...
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:50 am
by gorckat
Yeah- the more I think about it, the less I think setting yourself up for vigging is a good idea.
Isn't town self-hammering bad? Seems the same principle applies.
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:31 am
by Mr. Flay
Anyway, Jake totally gets MVP, but it is a little like winning the consolation bracket... this game was
saulres, you did a very good job on hindsight of putting in roles that would not confirm themselves 100%. That's a lot of what I fell prey to, trying to make the game make sense with partial information. However I'm a little concerned that massclaim+massshout probably would have broken the game for Town, given Darox's full power to kill...
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:36 am
by Magua
Town self hammering in favor of no lynch is generally a good idea.
What's the alternative? Mafia kills someone and then the next Day you're just going to be wagoned again *anyway* for the exact same reason you were already wagoned.
Yes, a town should try to not get shot because they know they're town. But Flay had said, essentially, that he had no town reads, and had no strong scum reads. He didn't say, "Don't shoot me, shoot <someone else>," it was *just* "Don't shoot me." That's the part that rubbed me wrong.
Flay wrote:*shrug* Darox was so evasive about his role I wasn't even sure I believed him about being multishot. But yeah, D3 was weirdly apathetic. Also while I get the 'letting yourself get shot is optimal' argument, it only makes sense from YOUR perspective, not mine. I know I'm a miskill, and with <72 left I had no faith in town responding to my death appropriately or effectively. Would have rather waited for another Day to figure things out (5 left would have meant we could have Darox shoot during Twilight, for double the chances to hit scum).
But then the next Day I'm still fixated on you, and you didn't do anything to try to figure things out (yes, you were on V/LA at Oakland, but you *knew that you were going to be V/LA during D3*).
(And that bit about Darox shooting at 5-player lylo during twilight is kind of b.s., since there was the uncertainty about whether he could shoot at all. Darox needed to shoot first, *then* we could lynch; if Darox didn't shoot, then there's all the "maybe he's lying about his role")
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:07 am
by Mr. Flay
In post 1369, Magua wrote:Town self hammering in favor of no lynch is generally a good idea.
Not when you're at MyLo (and rarely any other time). You're mistaking EV and hindsight for what I was actually looking at - an apathetic playerbase, one more dead Town player, and a rogue Vig/SK/?. Yes, if we'd started talking about Darox shooting at the start of D3, that would be different (and I was even willing to talk about it 5 days from deadline, right after my VLA started). But less than 72 hours to deadline and everyone's favorite lynch candidate is all over the map? No thanks.
Somebody said it earlier - I come from a different meta. One that is unwilling to 'play the numbers' just for 4% better chance of not lynching wrong. You ALWAYS have a chance to talk it out the next Day.
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:17 am
by notscience
Saki if we did it when whoever was voting was offline it would have gone better ;-;
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:29 am
by Mr. Flay
Yeah, with daytalk I would have arranged that for some other time. I thought you were one-linering to find when NSin was going to be on...
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:33 am
by notscience
Read the mafia QT
He was on his other account all the time and I was like bleh we can hammer now without a fight why is he not checking
I did rule that the way Flay and Jake used caps most of the time was as emphasis of one word, rather than as shouting; where I would use 