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Day 3, Votecount 1

fferyllt [1]

Wake88

TvK [0]

My Milked Eek [0]

Regfan [0]

ICEninja [0]

Garmr [0]

Squirrel Girl [0]

Wake88 [0]

havingfitz [0]

Not Voting [8]

- ICEninja, TvK, Squirrel Girl, havingfitz, My Milked Eek, Garmr, Regfan, fferyllt

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is on December 18th at 7:00 PM PST or in (expired on 2013-12-18 19:00:00)

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V/LA:
Wake88 - Until 12/5/2013 (More LA than V)
My Milked Eek - 12/6 - 12/8

I actually thought i was going to get killed in the night phase because i was hinting at a power role or I was going to get lynched today. Lets pray this is neither.

In post 1351, Garmr wrote:I actually thought i was going to get killed in the night phase because i was hinting at a power role or I was going to get lynched today. Lets pray this is neither.

do me a favor and stop being useless.

Do me a favor and look back through the whole game I have been just as useful if not more so useful than you and that's not including night actions.

In post 1353, Garmr wrote:Do me a favor and look back through the whole game I have been just as useful if not more so useful than you and that's not including night actions.

You apparently missed my question on the previous page. Usefulness would entail answering it.

In post 1346, fferyllt wrote:The part where you voted someone I thought was town, and he flipped town.

Whether or not I was wrong does not mean you should be confused by my read. You also didn't ask the same question of everyone on the wagon, so clearly something is different with me. What is it, and why was this line of questioning needed? You don't even appear to be doing anything with it now that you have it.

In post 1348, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1344, Garmr wrote:

I had my suspicions about fferylt

but I kinda brushed those aside because i couldn't find evidence to cement it.
Also fferylt I saw a scum read was about to be lynched and we went into a stand still what was the point in keeping the wagon going.

Oh?

This was supposed to be a question? Because it was it's pretty open and being clear with your questions is a part of being useful. But I've always had a few suspicions (As street) and the most you have been is a null-town read day 1 (As street.) and even then you I was still cautious of you.

In post 1355, Squirrel Girl wrote:

In post 1346, fferyllt wrote:The part where you voted someone I thought was town, and he flipped town.

Whether or not I was wrong does not mean you should be confused by my read. You also didn't ask the same question of everyone on the wagon, so clearly something is different with me. What is it, and why was this line of questioning needed? You don't even appear to be doing anything with it now that you have it.

It was because of your post inviting players to convince you that you were wrong about TvK. That sounded a minor off note to me when I reread the wagon formation after the thread was locked.

I had planned to give that a shot, but wanted to see Reg's reads first because I was hoping he had found or explained a total slam-dunk, because although I'm more than convinced enough to vote TvK again, I don't know that what convinces me will convince someone who approaches the game differently from me. Sort of like Kid A's tinfoil hat theories about the scum team in this game looked town-crazy to me but apparently not to at least some of the players on his wagon. I've never seen scum simulate that kind of silliness successfully. If you're not typing it with a straight face on your side of the monitor, it shows.

Speaking of at least some of the players on his wagon, where would you scumhunt in that list?

In post 1356, Garmr wrote:

In post 1348, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1344, Garmr wrote:

I had my suspicions about fferylt

but I kinda brushed those aside because i couldn't find evidence to cement it.
Also fferylt I saw a scum read was about to be lynched and we went into a stand still what was the point in keeping the wagon going.

Oh?

This was supposed to be a question? Because it was it's pretty open and being clear with your questions is a part of being useful. But I've always had a few suspicions (As street) and the most you have been is a null-town read day 1 (As street.) and even then you I was still cautious of you.

And this answers my question about why you wanted to end the day early exactly how?

You knew that RegFan wanted to make another post. You and Eek both did.

What was the town-motive in preventing that?

I'm wondering if I'm talking to this guy:

In post 1524, Garmr wrote:Town has won fferylt what don't you understand if your town why are you worried.

who basically told me to shut up trying to solve the on a boat game and eat rope because it didn't matter if I was town or if I'm talking to that guy who won as scum in AA9's game.

I need to take a really good look at your narnia game tonight, I guess.

In post 1357, fferyllt wrote:It was because of your post inviting players to convince you that you were wrong about TvK. That sounded a minor off note to me when I reread the wagon formation after the thread was locked.

Why did it sound off to you? It seemed like an intelligent thing to look into as far as I could tell. You even just said you were apparently planning to respond to the request but decided to let Reg pick up and run with the ball instead, so at least right when it happened you were good, when did it go wonky on you?

In post 1357, fferyllt wrote:Speaking of at least some of the players on his wagon, where would you scumhunt in that list?

Probably TvK, Fitz and Garmr, vaguely that order. Not overly happy with any of the options though. I basically have them all as some degree of town, which means I'm sucking it somewhere.

In post 1358, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1356, Garmr wrote:

In post 1348, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1344, Garmr wrote:

I had my suspicions about fferylt

but I kinda brushed those aside because i couldn't find evidence to cement it.
Also fferylt I saw a scum read was about to be lynched and we went into a stand still what was the point in keeping the wagon going.

Oh?

This was supposed to be a question? Because it was it's pretty open and being clear with your questions is a part of being useful. But I've always had a few suspicions (As street) and the most you have been is a null-town read day 1 (As street.) and even then you I was still cautious of you.

And this answers my question about why you wanted to end the day early exactly how?

You knew that RegFan wanted to make another post. You and Eek both did.

What was the town-motive in preventing that?

Regfan wanted to make a post???

In post 1359, fferyllt wrote:I'm wondering if I'm talking to this guy:

In post 1524, Garmr wrote:Town has won fferylt what don't you understand if your town why are you worried.

who basically told me to shut up trying to solve the on a boat game and eat rope because it didn't matter if I was town or if I'm talking to that guy who won as scum in AA9's game.

I need to take a really good look at your narnia game tonight, I guess.

Ok show you a quick summary of my mind scum/town out of 20

Skills as town Garmr town 6/20
Skills as town Garmr scum 17/20

What I think of you

Skills as town Ferrylt Town 13/20
Skills as town Ferrylt Scum 9/20
From reading other games

Skills as Garmr scum 17/20

Skills as Ferrylt Scum 9/20

fixed

In post 1360, Squirrel Girl wrote:

In post 1357, fferyllt wrote:It was because of your post inviting players to convince you that you were wrong about TvK. That sounded a minor off note to me when I reread the wagon formation after the thread was locked.

Why did it sound off to you? It seemed like an intelligent thing to look into as far as I could tell. You even just said you were apparently planning to respond to the request but decided to let Reg pick up and run with the ball instead, so at least right when it happened you were good, when did it go wonky on you?

In post 1357, fferyllt wrote:Speaking of at least some of the players on his wagon, where would you scumhunt in that list?

Probably TvK, Fitz and Garmr, vaguely that order. Not overly happy with any of the options though. I basically have them all as some degree of town, which means I'm sucking it somewhere.

It sounded a little off in retrospect because of Kid A's flip. You basically abdicated the town task to try to leave no stone unturned, and said "convince me".

I hoped the majority was right and I was wrong when that wagon hit hammer. The flip didn't surprise me, but it did disappoint me. And then I read back over the last couple pages thinking "where are the scum" on that wagon.

The easy answer is "the L-1 vote" because that sometimes looks like a safer place to be than the hammer position. But, I've been town-reading Eek since the interactions I had with him over his reads list on day 1, and I haven't seen a lot to cause a rethink.

What I saw of Garmr in the on a boat game is that as town he's unjustifiably certain of himself and he shuts down and stops thinking when he decides he has the answers. His hammer does look like what I know of his town meta. So has most of the rest of his play. Sloppy, dropping fake-tells, and shallow thought process were all part of his on a boat game.

I don't know about you, but I want to look at every single one of my reads and assumptions today. That includes my town reads.

In post 1362, Garmr wrote:Skills as Garmr scum 17/20

Skills as Ferrylt Scum 9/20

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I"ll agree that my scum game is a hell of a lot weaker than my town game. I try to play in games where I'm out of my league because I learn a lot more and improve a lot faster playing with people who are better than me.

Basically what you're telling me though is that I should be wary as hell about you in this game.

In post 1363, fferyllt wrote:What I saw of Garmr in the on a boat game is that as town he's unjustifiably certain of himself and he shuts down and stops thinking when he decides he has the answers. His hammer does look like what I know of his town meta. So has most of the rest of his play. Sloppy, dropping fake-tells, and shallow thought process were all part of his on a boat game.

I haven't done this in every town game like mini 1510 If i did through I would of nailed 2/3 scum team straight off the bat irony ;/.

In post 1364, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1362, Garmr wrote:Skills as Garmr scum 17/20

Skills as Ferrylt Scum 9/20

fixed

I"ll agree that my scum game is a hell of a lot weaker than my town game. I try to play in games where I'm out of my league because I learn a lot more and improve a lot faster playing with people who are better than me.

Basically what you're telling me though is that I should be wary as hell about you in this game.

No no no not just this game in every game you should be cautious. I mix up my scum games play style to suit the player roster. The Narnia game is the best example and was a ego boost but I am so proud of that game.

In post 1366, Garmr wrote:

In post 1364, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1362, Garmr wrote:Skills as Garmr scum 17/20

Skills as Ferrylt Scum 9/20

fixed

I"ll agree that my scum game is a hell of a lot weaker than my town game. I try to play in games where I'm out of my league because I learn a lot more and improve a lot faster playing with people who are better than me.

Basically what you're telling me though is that I should be wary as hell about you in this game.

No no no not just this game in every game you should be cautious. I mix up my scum games play style to suit the player roster. The Narnia game is the best example and was a ego boost but I am so proud of that game.

Ok.

This is what I mean about not being useless btw. You're not working on solving this game. You're too wrapped up in appreciation of your awesome self.

Were there scum on the Kid A wagon? Where?

@fferylt
Well your probably not going to like my reads at the end of the day and looking back over over day 2 but if there was scum on that wagon it would be TvK and possibly Milked Eek. I still don't like the fact that wake was the only vote on penguin_alien and penguin alien died.

Also wtf is a scoop is that even a real role and does it come with icecream.

In post 1368, Garmr wrote:@fferylt
Well your probably not going to like my reads at the end of the day and looking back over over day 2 but if there was scum on that wagon it would be TvK and possibly Milked Eek. I still don't like the fact that wake was the only vote on penguin_alien and penguin alien died.

Also wtf is a scoop is that even a real role and does it come with icecream.

"scope". Like telescope. Fits that dumb alt thing he was doing earlier.

It's not a real role, and I have no idea what bullshit he'll make up to explain how his "scope" works if he decides to keep this gambit going.

I don't understand why someone would create a fake role like that and call it scope. Your much better saying one shot Inspector and you were saving it till night 2.

In post 1370, Garmr wrote:I don't understand why someone would create a fake role like that and call it scope. Your much better saying one shot Inspector and you were saving it till night 2.

I don't really care why he did this. He backs off this bullshit in his next post or we 1v1.

You at least know that I didn't 1v1 Yates despite my role being exactly what I said it was. I didn't set-up speculate myself into a 1v1 with the town doctor. I looked beyond that and tried to find scum.

Pulling this crap after what he did in that open game, though, that tells me that he doesn't learn from mistakes. If he's scum at least it's marginally in support of a scum wincon. If not, then it's just terrible fucking play.

Pulling this crap after what he did in that open game, though, that tells me that he doesn't learn from mistakes. If he's scum at least it's marginally in support of a scum wincon. If not, then it's just terrible fucking play.

Was this last bit still aimed at me.

In post 1371, fferyllt wrote:Pulling this crap after what he did in that open game, though, that tells me that he doesn't learn from mistakes. If he's scum at least it's marginally in support of a scum wincon. If not, then it's just terrible fucking play.

Meant to quote that

Scope fits with the theme of the game, dummies.

I don't understand this, fferyllt;

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If there's someone claiming to be a cop with a positive on me, I wouldn't even doubt his alignment, that dude is scum. Why are you being so careful? If I were you, I'd go after Wake and I wouldn't try to have him back off on his cop claim. What are you hoping he's going to do? "Oh, right, I see. No, I got a scum result on you, but I'll back down, now that you've put it that way.".


I'm inclined to believe Wake for the following reasons:
- his claim feels really nervous. But not scum fakeclaiming nervous. More like a "first time cop getting scum" kind of getting nervous. It's exactly the same as how I claimed the first time I was cop.
- your reaction to the claim is really wrong. Absolutely wrong.
- your frustration at the beginning of D3 towards the end of D2 is fake. It feels super rehearsed.