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In post 1348, Kagami wrote:Well, I guess rolestopping bert is plausible if the rolestopping blocked nightkills, but that's a very uncommon role. Ascetic seems near certain to me, especially coupled with his general scumminess this game.

Only disappointing part of this theory is that it makes pasch town.

Why are you assuming Pasch is, you know, telling the truth?

Pasch lying seems like an easier conclusion to come to than Bert being ascetic.

The argument I see against brian is that he had that particular fake-claim given to him, and so he intentionally represented that he knew AD to be town. This also explains AD as an NK target to some extent: Levi was a bad-ass, it makes sense he would be a good PR.

The argument for him is basically as you describe.

Pasch lying is obv possible, but it seems like a strange lie to me. I would be really surprised if scum-pasch would do anything other than legit neighborize someone, and I really don't think he would claim neighborizer without being one.

It's in inoffensive claim. Doesn't require having results or targeting people every night. And it's more believable that the scum standby "1-shot BP". I'm not at all surprised that he claimed a PR considering the pressure on him yesterday. Claiming VT would have been a death sentence.

That said, I agree it's odd he'd claim it failed since by this line of reasoning Bert and Pasch are scum together. But I don't see why anyone would roleblock a neighbourizer(not to mention we have a three-person neighbourhood, two people claiming to be semi-confirmed to each other, and now a rather believable one-sided best friend roleclaim as it is.)

So, something has to give.

In post 1353, Kazekirimaru wrote:It's in inoffensive claim. Doesn't require having results or targeting people every night. And it's more believable that the scum standby "1-shot BP". I'm not at all surprised that he claimed a PR considering the pressure on him yesterday. Claiming VT would have been a death sentence.

That said, I agree it's odd he'd claim it failed since by this line of reasoning Bert and Pasch are scum together. But I don't see why anyone would roleblock a neighbourizer(not to mention we have a three-person neighbourhood, two people claiming to be semi-confirmed to each other, and now a rather believable one-sided best friend roleclaim as it is.)

So, something has to give.

I don't think he would have fake-claimed and then come up with this particular way of getting out of it, especially when he had alternatives available to him. He safely could have claimed to neighbor AD or claimed to neighbor a scumbuddy, who could then claim to have used his maneuver gear and thus didn't get neighborized. By claiming to neighborize bert, he would have to expect that we'd come up with something like "bert is an ascetic" rather than "pasch is lying," which is a risky business.

Also, Pasch hasn't exactly inspired me to think he's an evil genius; I think he's telling the truth.

Alright. I'm not quite convinced yet. What do you think about the wagons yesterday? You believe they were both town wagons?

I think mastin is likely scum too, but both wagons would be town. Thinking on it now.

In post 1333, BROseidon wrote:1058 would have been enough time for scum-Brian to decide that AD wasn't getting mislynched before NK'd.

Fine. Iso me and search for Dan's name. Not only does he appear the most in my iso, but I almost always mention him as town. Even higher than Myko, whose reasoning against Falcon I considered stronger than Dan's.

In post 1339, Tammy wrote:Brian - you have that role and it doesn't seem odd to you that two other people are running around claiming they're near confirmed to each other?

Well, obviously. It's not like they ever claimed masons. They're just like "ermahgahd, you're xxxx? but I didn't know your alignment or anything!" :shrugs:

Plus other reasons I'm not allowed to talk about.

...why are you ISOing yourself...?

I'm not. Bro thinks the timing of my crumbs are suspicious. So I told him to iso me and look for Dan's name. It's not like I was being subtle about Dan being town.

Bert/Mastin/?

Bert/Mastin/?

I really don't see Bertscum. Are there any reasons for this besides his hammer?

Are you serious pasch? If you are telling us the truth, shouldn't this be obvious?

There are only three possible events here:

A) pasch is lying about his role
B) bert is lying about his role
C) Some third party blocked pasch or stopped bert.

C is extremely unlikely, because who would block a neighborizer? There were other, better targets to block. On top of that, it implies scum has a roleblocker, which would basically make the 1-shot commuter ability, which is essentially the central mechanic of this setup, trivially neutralized.

In post 1360, Brian Skies wrote:I'm not. Bro thinks the timing of my crumbs are suspicious. So I told him to iso me and look for Dan's name. It's not like I was being subtle about Dan being town.

You basically just said you did. "Not only does he appear the most in my iso...". Not "I bet", not "I guarantee", even. You flat out stated it as fact. Now, for what reason would you ISO yourself?

In post 1361, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Bert/Mastin/?

That's roughly where I'm at. I still want that question mark to be Pasch, though.

In post 1366, Kagami wrote:There are only three possible events here:

A) pasch is lying about his role
B) bert is lying about his role
C) Some third party blocked pasch or stopped bert.

C is extremely unlikely, because who would block a neighborizer? There were other, better targets to block. On top of that, it implies scum has a roleblocker, which would basically make the 1-shot commuter ability, which is essentially the central mechanic of this setup, trivially neutralized.

Or the commuter supersedes the roleblock. Either way, all of this PR speculation just helps scum. If you don't have a case and are just jumping on whoever hammered, say that.

I am sad that you might be town.

In post 1367, Kazekirimaru wrote:You basically just said you did. "Not only does he appear the most in my iso...". Not "I bet", not "I guarantee", even. You flat out stated it as fact. Now, for what reason would you ISO yourself?

To check my ego. Anyhow, I know what I've done this game. I know what my role is. I know that I've stated several times that Dan was town (tried to make it seem organic at first, but it's kind of hard to breadcrumb and not seem blatantly scummy about it when the guy rarely posts and decides to be overly coy with his push against Falcon). The breadcrumbs at the end of Day 1 were to leave, without a doubt in your guys' minds, that Dan WAS town should I have been NK'ed. Iso'ing is just a means to make sure it's there. If you guys don't believe me, then you guys don't believe me. But I don't want to hear "oh the timing of it is bullshit" because I've been trying to make it pretty blatant all game.

I believe you. I'm just trying to understand why you're lying about such silly things. I ISO myself all the time as both alignments.

Yea, I can see that. I didn't intentionally lie. I was just trying to explain that the purpose of my statement was to tell Bro to iso me, because I thought you were mistaken about what I was trying to say.

Brian's probably town. Like really probably town.

And Kthnx and Bro, if either one of them are town should be rethinking their "oh we're both town due to vague non-confirmed things in my role pm" in light of this or they're absolute fools.

Also, and I'm reiterating it that they need to come out with it. I refuse to accept beating around the bush nonsense for this.