↑Formerfish wrote:God damnit Boon, we've talked about this before. You can not use trust tells in a game. Saying that you've never self voted as scum is even more of a reason to vote you right now.
No one ever explained to me why, though. Absolutely nobody. I asked and I asked, but nobody answered. I wasn't even aware that was what it was people were referring to. I don't see it as anything other than self-meta, which in its own isn't an argument, so I don't see why it is a problem.
Also, @vettrock, how many times did I get lynched the day of? Absolutely none. If I can deter the lynch from being on town, I'm going to do it. It isn't anti-town if it in turns
helps
town. I don't care if nobody else sees it, because it in turn will help unless people are too damn ignorant to follow through.
I know what a trust tell is, but I didn't see the relevancy. I got it now, though because someone finally explained it.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:25 am
by Boonskiies
I just don't get why it's a trust tell if it doesn't confirm an alignment at all.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:55 am
by Formerfish
You are using the fact that you only self vote as town as a reason to believe you are town. That is literally the fucking definition of what you can't do. And I am pretty sure I explained that to you in shinobis game.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:00 am
by vettrock
I get that he is saying that you are using a trust tell by saying you only self-vote as town. Just because you have only done it as town doesn't mean you won't do it as scum.
Despite you not being lynched over it in those other games, it doesn't help town. Just because you were not lynched over it, does not mean it helped town in any way. It just means they chose to ignore it despite it being anti-town.
The other thing it does is draw attention to yourself which lets scum hide. Either your scum partner or just the scum players if you actually are town.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:17 am
by Seohyun
sorry, got sick
reading up on what i missed
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:53 am
by Seohyun
↑Bert wrote:Is that this day phase you've spent all ur postings completely fixated on explaining your role and abilities, and any kind of relevant discussion about who you think is scum has been absent
Weird right?
At least that's the way it seems
They ask question -> I answer
But I'll stop talking about it from here since it has gone on for a while
re:boonskiies
seems rather "lol reactions", but the reason for people voting him also seems to be just based on his playstyle. I'd prefer not to policy lynch.
feelin' nauseous again so i'll be back later
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:17 am
by Boonskiies
↑vettrock wrote:I get that he is saying that you are using a trust tell by saying you only self-vote as town. Just because you have only done it as town doesn't mean you won't do it as scum.
Despite you not being lynched over it in those other games, it doesn't help town. Just because you were not lynched over it, does not mean it helped town in any way. It just means they chose to ignore it despite it being anti-town.
The other thing it does is draw attention to yourself which lets scum hide. Either your scum partner or just the scum players if you actually are town.
Nah.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:01 pm
by Formerfish
Nah? That's the totality of your response to that post? How about to what I said?
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:27 pm
by Boonskiies
I'm just stating facts. What I was saying were cold hard facts.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:46 pm
by Formerfish
Do you see how you are breaking the trust tell rule?
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:55 pm
by pieguyn
cursory meta-dive of Wisdom indicates that he usually handles his buddies by either town reading them or putting them as scum when necessary but never actually hard pushing them. this is based on like 2 games and one of them was Capcom where his partners were Tammy and BRO (-.-), so I don't know how strong this actually is.
I'm also curious to know what ppl think about him replacing out due to apathy. I don't think it makes sense he'd be bussing a partner the whole game, and then suddenly get apathetic for no reason after doing it.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:18 pm
by pieguyn
I have too many town reads :<
I've thought about Marquis more and I think I was wrong re: my initial reason for town reading him. in fact, I'm pretty sure the way he kept playing up the fact he was behind is more a sign of his scum play, plus he did literally fucking nothing except for one list of town reads, none of which went explained. there's also the way he kinda-sorta defended NM at a few points without committing to a hard stance. but then I think vettrock's posts look town and I'm back to square one with this.
assuming nothing went terribly wrong somewhere, I think scum should be within {Flames, vettrock, Boon, TS}, but I need to investigate further
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:06 pm
by vettrock
↑pieguyn wrote:
assuming nothing went terribly wrong somewhere, I think scum should be within {Flames, vettrock, Boon, TS}, but I need to investigate further
I think I could support any of those other than vettrock, with a possible exception of TierShift.
town to scum
pieguyn
formerfish/Bert
Seohuyn/Tiershift
Flames
Boon
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:41 pm
by Boonskiies
↑Formerfish wrote:Do you see how you are breaking the trust tell rule?
I see why people are confused about it. But it isn't a trust tell. If it confirmed me as town, sure it would be. But it doesn't confirm me as town. It's not a thing being considered at all when reading for an alignment, therefore, it is
not
a trust tell.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:30 pm
by Flames682
↑Boonskiies wrote:It's not a thing being considered at all when reading for an alignment
Yet you want us to think that whenever you self-vote, you're town.
↑Formerfish wrote:Do you see how you are breaking the trust tell rule?
I see why people are confused about it. But it isn't a trust tell. If it confirmed me as town, sure it would be. But it doesn't confirm me as town. It's not a thing being considered at all when reading for an alignment, therefore, it is
not
a trust tell.
What the fuck are you on about here? Give us an example of what you think a trust tell is.
↑Boonskiies wrote:It's not a thing being considered at all when reading for an alignment
Yet you want us to think that whenever you self-vote, you're town.
No, I'm very likely to do it as town. Doesn't mean I wouldn't do it as scum, which makes it not a trust tell. People saying that the fact I self-vote makes me scum is just truly incorrect. It's not able to be confirmed what my alignment is, which means it isn't a trust tell. By showing that I self-vote mainly in town games is just a fact. It's self meta. Like how I say that I hammer people at L-1 on Day 1 without much resent when I'm town; I've done it much more as town, but doesn't mean that as scum I wouldn't do it. NOT A TRUST TELL.
↑Formerfish wrote:Do you see how you are breaking the trust tell rule?
I see why people are confused about it. But it isn't a trust tell. If it confirmed me as town, sure it would be. But it doesn't confirm me as town. It's not a thing being considered at all when reading for an alignment, therefore, it is
not
a trust tell.
What the fuck are you on about here? Give us an example of what you think a trust tell is.