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It is a murky field, and I didn't say all the scum are driving the wagon. But look at the composition of it...Vonflare, Magua, Drixx...those are not votes we should be following to a lynch right now.

"Also, Lucian, when you say it's a 1-shot Vengilante, does that mean that if you use your vig you cannot be vengeful and vice versa, or is it a one shot vengeful AND a 1-shot Vig and you're contracting/portmanteauing them for convenience?" -BBC

I'm a hybrid. I have a gun that I can use at any time, and if I died, then I'd still be able to use that one-shot gun within 48 hours of my death.
It's quite a useful role.

TPTG basically missed the part where I'm either conftown or obvscum. ActionDan and I have claimed basically the same role (although I assume our protections are against opposite factions). Bulletproof is usually used in games with multiple kill shots as a balance measure. The most simple explanations for us both having bulletproof are as follows:

1.) We're each scum immune to the other scum team. This depends on there being two scum teams (which is mod confirmed according to some people, although I read the post as not quite confirmation). This also doesn't make sense in light of how the day played out. Why would a single scum team have two BP members? Positing us being on opposing teams, why would an opposing scum member out himself as having the same role as me as a reason to back my claim and say that I'm town? If I flip scum, doesn't that immediately put him in the gallows? While this explanation is one of the two most simple explanations for having two BP roles, it doesn't make a lot of sense given how the day unfolded.

2.) We're both town and immune to separate factions. This is much more supported by the way the day played out.


Having one town and one scum BP also seems like a possibility. If that's the case then AD will get town points if/when I flip and my claim is proven true. If he flips first and is scum I'll be mislynched. So I can conceive of a scum AD having faction specific BP; however, he doesn't read scummy at all, and if he were scum, why would he have put his neck on the line to save me?

So perhaps the penis obsessed hydra might want to re-evaluate its read on me.


Finally, Toon has been in the game and hasn't responded to questioning. Votes are the most effective way to get someone to take a push seriously and respond (See {Drixx} earlier this day phase).

↑ LucianRoy wrote:Chivri, you might like to know, I don't like your ISO.
There's a solid combination of arguing, sheeping, and slight buddying that seems to create a concoction of scum to me.

Hypocrite.

"Oh no you claimed Bulletproof! Which as we all know if very easy for town to prove...oh wait..."

↑ ChriVi wrote:

↑ LucianRoy wrote:Chivri, you might like to know, I don't like your ISO.
There's a solid combination of arguing, sheeping, and slight buddying that seems to create a concoction of scum to me.

Hypocrite.

Hehehe.

I could prove it right now, if the need arises, but I really want to get the town's approval, and also a claim.
I'm thinking of going the smart route by forcing a claim on toon. If we find his claim to be scummy, I could shoot him, and everybody would get off that wagon, but if we found it to be town, then everybody would get off that wagon anyway.

I still don't see the extreme scumminess of toon...

↑ Drixx wrote:TPTG basically missed the part where I'm either conftown or obvscum.

I mean, did that sentence really get typed?

...

Oh...OH it did.

What the hell? What does that really mean?

"I'd like to take What Does That Really Mean for 100 points, Alex"

Well alright. For 100 points. Drixx claimed factional bulletproof. What does that really mean?

*doo doo*

Answer?

'Uhh what is nothing?"

That is CORRECT! 100 points and control of the board!

Vonflare and Toon are basically interchangable for me as far as scumminess goes, I have no idea what alignment both are and I dislike their playstile which if scum makes it hard to read them and if town makes them easy marks for lylo losses, so unless there is a role related reason to keep them in the game I'd do away with both based on what they have shown till now and I at least have Marquis whom I believe to be town pushing for Toon (I do think some of Marquis's reads are pretty bad though so there's that...).

I'm feeling a bit better about Drixx and Magua's posts themselves are not bad, it's more the Soren legacy which I question because his own description of his scumplay fits what he did this game but it also looked like he was getting swamped by the pace of the game so replacing out could also be completely unrelated, I am not prepared to base my reads on what Magua does under these conditions.

Your current scumread I disagree with, Lucian is right when he says that deathfisaro's scumgame was a bit submissive, it took us the whole day to win a lylo that was already a done deal because he did not want to be the first to commit so I had to force the issue, I don't see the same kind of attitude from him this game, if he managed to fool me props but based on what I know I don't think he is scum and if we believe the claims my reads on the players I know have been pretty accurate to date.

↑ LucianRoy wrote:

↑ ChriVi wrote:

↑ LucianRoy wrote:Chivri, you might like to know, I don't like your ISO.
There's a solid combination of arguing, sheeping, and slight buddying that seems to create a concoction of scum to me.

Hypocrite.

Hehehe.

I could prove it right now, if the need arises, but I really want to get the town's approval, and also a claim.
I'm thinking of going the smart route by forcing a claim on toon. If we find his claim to be scummy, I could shoot him, and everybody would get off that wagon, but if we found it to be town, then everybody would get off that wagon anyway.

I still don't see the extreme scumminess of toon...

Because the scumminess is manifactured? Like, it's honestly obvious from a mile away that this is a terrible lynch and a worst vig-shot. I'm with you, you had a list earlier that included what, Ogzin, Drixx, Jackel, Reubus, if I remember correctly? That is something.

↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:It is a murky field, and I didn't say all the scum are driving the wagon. But look at the composition of it...Vonflare, Magua, Drixx...those are not votes we should be following to a lynch right now.

hi there!

↑ Marquis wrote:neighbor claims

the context is right there why are you ignoring the context

Why the fuck are you pushing so hard for neighbor claims? Knowing who all the neighbors are is more helpful to scum than town.

↑ LucianRoy wrote:

↑ ActionDan wrote:

↑ Marquis wrote:i think i've gotten enough neighbor information to figure out that some neighbors are lying about not being neighbors

My assumption is that Chivi will eventually tell who is/are his neighbor(s). because why not

IF dual scum neighbors exist that'd be funny.

Wait until they claim they aren't neighbours.

My neighbor hasn't claimed because unlike you we realize that having scum know who all the neighbors are is a shitty idea.

Great! Well, trust us on our reads too and lets talk about some other players.

ChriVi wrote:

↑ Marquis wrote:neighbor claims

the context is right there why are you ignoring the context

Why the fuck are you pushing so hard for neighbor claims? Knowing who all the neighbors are is more helpful to scum than town.

No, no it's not. Oh HOW terrible, players who can talk outside the thread? The scumteam is quaking in their boots...or just as likely, the scumteam have a member in one. Why would we not give our claimed neighborhood cop an accurate pool with which to search through?

On that note Marquis, and you can check with the Mods, we asked, and if your role exists, we do not count as neighbors for the purpose of your role.

"Ogzin, Drixx, Jackel, Reubus" -tptg

Ogzin might be scum, I agree with you there.
There's a chance Drixx is town, and I'm inclined to believe that's the case if he had a better vote.
Jackal's a world-class inactive.
Reubus as well.

@TPTG
I am all for it, fire away about who you want to talk about.

@ChriVi
What do you think scum can do with the information Marquis is asking for that is so bad for town?

Lucian, can you vig Marquis?

I don't like rolefishers.

P-EDIT: copper, if all neighbors are known about, scum will kill one of each neighborhood to get rid of people who are practically conf-town to eachother.

I don't see how they are practically confirmed town to each other.

EBWOP: It's very similar to rolefishing for PRs, though since everyone is a PR in this game the rolefishing is coming in the form of neighborhoods.. From what I understand, my neighborhood buddy says they got conf-town on me when they were told we were in a neighborhood. I don't have conf-town on them, but from what I've seen I find it highly unlikely that they are scum.

P-EDIT @Narninian: See above. His role gives him conf-town on me, and I trust him from what I've seen.

I mean, we can debate this in mafia discussion post game, but you already know that we believe shooting a less active player is the most protown use of a town-aligned kill. At this point you've claimed a kill for us to use pretty much as a second lynch. Getting out a player who could at best be lurking scum and at worst a mislynch later in the game is a great move. I don't want to debate this here and get off track. I was using your list as an example, personally if we had the shot we'd shoot Jackel at this stage. Low content and was is there isn't anything that jumps out as town. If Ogzin is scum we'll catch him in thread, Drixx is a player we have to deal with sooner rather than later, but he's active, and active scum give away their partners, and I thought Reubus was alright in the one or two posts he made.

No ChiVi, unlike Masons neighbors are NOT confirmed town to each other. Let's not get them confused. Neighbors are essentially the vanilla town in this set-up, with the added uncertainly of scum...

As they put it, "we're part of a 1-way mason team"

↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:No ChiVi, unlike Masons neighbors are NOT confirmed town to each other. Let's not get them confused. Neighbors are essentially the vanilla town in this set-up, with the added uncertainly of scum...

I am a PR as well as being in a neighborhood.

↑ copper223 wrote:@TPTG
I am all for it, fire away about who you want to talk about.

We'd really like to talk about deathfisaro more as a lynch.

↑ ChriVi wrote:

↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:No ChiVi, unlike Masons neighbors are NOT confirmed town to each other. Let's not get them confused. Neighbors are essentially the vanilla town in this set-up, with the added uncertainly of scum...

I am a PR as well as being in a neighborhood.

Well that you should have lied about...

↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:

↑ ChriVi wrote:

↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:No ChiVi, unlike Masons neighbors are NOT confirmed town to each other. Let's not get them confused. Neighbors are essentially the vanilla town in this set-up, with the added uncertainly of scum...

I am a PR as well as being in a neighborhood.

Well that you should have lied about...

Why? Everyone is already a PR.