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↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:

↑ Spifflop wrote:Dapper Stranger(Fresh & Jaqen hydra) - Looks like Fresh is having trouble using Jaqenspeak. Anyhoo, they're paying attention. A bit fixated on SpiderGwen, but...Lean Town

Aunt Jemina - C'mon, AJ is always Town, isn't she? Isn't she?.

A man is keeping in his normal chat racier so he is t forgetting to sign. He is finding this somehow simpler. Fresh is speaking as he speaks. That one's absence is because of the three r's.

2 of 3 YCBA's are disagreeing with your AJ fallacy, though that is bearing no weight.

You clipped the quote in order to misrepresent what was being said there. Klingon never said AJ was town because she's always town. She came away with the conclusion she's scum. Why would you clip out and distort what she'd actually said? The only purpose there is to misrepresent her. Because there's no town motivation in even just doing it to comment on AJ's record. That's so far outside of the scope of the conversation it's not funny.

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↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

At least one additional name joins in the form of Shiro if it means anything to you.

I'm meh on Shiro.

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And then Jaquen begins to make a Spiffy-scum case based on Klingon being town. Because don't kid yourself, that's exactly what it is.

@Spiffy/Stormy: I will join that wagon if there's no other way. But I don't like how Stranger has approached this. He seemed ready to misrep Klingon and jump on that wagon, but then he formed a counter instead and started WKing her. Something is wrong here.

@gwen, I see the same pattern. I would like you to come to the realization I have, so let's work this out.

Where do you see scum doing that?

What does that tell you about Klingon?

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:
And then Jaquen begins to make a Spiffy-scum case based on Klingon being town. Because don't kid yourself, that's exactly what it is.

@Spiffy/Stormy: I will join that wagon if there's no other way. But I don't like how Stranger has approached this.

He seemed ready to misrep Klingon and jump on that wagon,

but then he formed a counter instead and started WKing her. Something is wrong here.

I did not not this but thank you for bringing that up gives me something to look into.

↑ Shiro wrote:You guys should all come back to voting grapes. He is the best wagon that had surfaced so far.

@Dapper if it wasn't for how horrible all the other votes on spiff are I would be able to consider your reasons but take a look at the wagon and tell me how that is a town motivated wagon.

Grapes a man is having no opinion on or experience with- null

EE is town as fuck- town

PerV lurks regardless of alignment- null

Randommidget is pretty much another grapes- null

I'm town

That's 2 town, three null from a man's perspective. It is extremely unlikely each of the three null are scum, but it is likely one could be. It is rare having any wagon void of scum. Rarer still to have one while all scum are living. If you are getting on, please do so on the merits of the case.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:1255 -

First, for teaching your little brother chess metaphor. You may not beat him, but you're probably familiar with the gambits and openings he likes to start with as both white and black correct? You may not have figured out to beat him, but you know what he does in certain circumstances.

This isn't that and you may as well speak plainly, a man is understanding metaphor.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:
Klingoncelt is

the type of person scum push as a first

or last resort if scum. If she was town, her wagon should have been rapid as fuck. It wasn't. It's a name here and a name there gradually.

And the majority of that one's wagon is growing over about 12 hours.

Fuck reading this game, it's completely self-defeating. I'm sick of catching up, I want to play.

And I am extremely interested in someone talking to me about Alchemist-scum because I'm hearing it in the background constantly and I'm sure someone in the game has a coherent reason for why they think it's true.

↑ Elyse wrote:
@Jaqen
As someone who is "cleared" from a Spiff scumflip, how do you feel that I am against it?

A man is having no feeling actually. If you are town you are KNOWING exactly as much as a man at this point. You are forming your own opinions on players and a man is having no expectations that his will be yours. The only frustration is the amount of effort a man is putting in to find if there is or isn't a case in the first place, the effort taken to keep the case as brief as possible, and the resistance to the wagon Which probably means a man is on the right track (and with as many games as I've played with or watched you guys play that alone should be turning on a massive light house in your mind).

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:

↑ Spifflop wrote:Dapper Stranger(Fresh & Jaqen hydra) - Looks like Fresh is having trouble using Jaqenspeak. Anyhoo, they're paying attention. A bit fixated on SpiderGwen, but...Lean Town

Aunt Jemina - C'mon, AJ is always Town, isn't she? Isn't she?.

A man is keeping in his normal chat racier so he is t forgetting to sign. He is finding this somehow simpler. Fresh is speaking as he speaks. That one's absence is because of the three r's.

2 of 3 YCBA's are disagreeing with your AJ fallacy, though that is bearing no weight.

You clipped the quote in order to misrepresent what was being said there. Klingon never said AJ was town because she's always town. She came away with the conclusion she's scum. Why would you clip out and distort what she'd actually said? The only purpose there is to misrepresent her. Because there's no town motivation in even just doing it to comment on AJ's record. That's so far outside of the scope of the conversation it's not funny.

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↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

At least one additional name joins in the form of Shiro if it means anything to you.

I'm meh on Shiro.

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And then Jaquen begins to make a Spiffy-scum case based on Klingon being town. Because don't kid yourself, that's exactly what it is.

@Spiffy/Stormy: I will join that wagon if there's no other way. But I don't like how Stranger has approached this. He seemed ready to misrep Klingon and jump on that wagon, but then he formed a counter instead and started WKing her. Something is wrong here.

A man clips a quote so when it's read you are knowing to which part he is responding. And no, Spifflop case is built on Spitflop alone. No matter how much this one is trying to misrepping everything a man is doing.

↑ Spider Gwen wrote: But I don't like how Stranger has approached this. He seemed ready to misrep Klingon and jump on that wagon, but then he formed a counter instead and started WKing her. Something is wrong here.

That's just it. A man just about ready to jump on a Celt wagon. Before jumping on a man is going back to check all the facts and evidence. That evidence is leading back not to Celtscum, but rather Spiff scum. A man is saying this until he is blue in the face- he is considering all evidence unobjectively and is landing where that evidence is taking him. Spiff must needs be lynched. If you are needing a man's flip to know his words are true intent, then so be it, but at the end of the day Spiff needs to die.

This is not one of a man's gambits.

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:

↑ Spifflop wrote:Dapper Stranger(Fresh & Jaqen hydra) - Looks like Fresh is having trouble using Jaqenspeak. Anyhoo, they're paying attention. A bit fixated on SpiderGwen, but...Lean Town

Aunt Jemina - C'mon, AJ is always Town, isn't she? Isn't she?.

A man is keeping in his normal chat racier so he is t forgetting to sign. He is finding this somehow simpler. Fresh is speaking as he speaks. That one's absence is because of the three r's.

2 of 3 YCBA's are disagreeing with your AJ fallacy, though that is bearing no weight.

You clipped the quote in order to misrepresent what was being said there. Klingon never said AJ was town because she's always town. She came away with the conclusion she's scum. Why would you clip out and distort what she'd actually said? The only purpose there is to misrepresent her. Because there's no town motivation in even just doing it to comment on AJ's record. That's so far outside of the scope of the conversation it's not funny.

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↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

At least one additional name joins in the form of Shiro if it means anything to you.

I'm meh on Shiro.

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And then Jaquen begins to make a Spiffy-scum case based on Klingon being town. Because don't kid yourself, that's exactly what it is.

@Spiffy/Stormy: I will join that wagon if there's no other way. But I don't like how Stranger has approached this. He seemed ready to misrep Klingon and jump on that wagon, but then he formed a counter instead and started WKing her. Something is wrong here.

↑ T S O wrote:And I am extremely interested in someone talking to me about Alchemist-scum because I'm hearing it in the background constantly and I'm sure someone in the game has a coherent reason for why they think it's true.

All a man is noticing is that one's thoughts and actions aren't always meshing with each other. A man is asking AJ of that one and she is saying he is solid town so a man is back burner img him.

Klingon can definitely die, though. That's a given.

Are you talking to me, Jaqen? If so - I see absolutely nothing wrong with voting someone I feel is scum while inquiring about another person who I feel could be.

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:

↑ Spider Gwen wrote: But I don't like how Stranger has approached this. He seemed ready to misrep Klingon and jump on that wagon, but then he formed a counter instead and started WKing her. Something is wrong here.

That's just it. A man

was

just about ready to jump on a Celt wagon. Before jumping on a man is going back to check all the facts and evidence. That evidence is leading back not to Celtscum, but rather Spiff scum. A man is saying this until he is blue in the face- he is considering all evidence unobjectively and is landing where that evidence is taking him. Spiff must needs be lynched. If you are needing a man's flip to know his words are true intent, then so be it, but at the end of the day Spiff needs to die.

This is not one of a man's gambits.

And to add- a man isn't ready to misrepping anyone or anything. It's against his wincon so piss off with these unfounded accusations. Show where a man has even once solidly done this. Put up or shut up. And snipping a quote to respond to one thing isn't that.

↑ T S O wrote:Are you talking to me, Jaqen? If so - I see absolutely nothing wrong with voting someone I feel is scum while inquiring about another person who I feel could be.

Your vote is bad, but a man isn't condemning you for it. He isn't even asking you about it. You wanted someone to talk with you about alchemist and a man is trying to do so. The Gwen quote above yours is a ghost from a man's previous post and he isn't knowing why it popped up when he is quoting you.

I think my vote's fine, but I know you disagree on that.

I appreciate your thoughts on Alchemist - however, I currently feel that the best way for me to decide my feelings there is to actually converse with someone who's calling him scum and is willing to back that up.

↑ Spifflop wrote:EE, you're better than this.

Btw, I really appreciate all the blessings given. You guys are awesome. Love this site/playerlist

Let go of your hate.
I love you!

↑ Elyse wrote:
@EE
Jeanne is incompetent. Don't hold your breath. I also don't understand how I haven't been "getting dirty" - I've pushed Kling and was the first to call out randomidget. I've called Jaqen's case bullshit and dismantled your case before it got so full of misreps that no one was taking it seriously and I didn't bother trying. You literally make things up to fit your narrative.

You started mafia knowing exactly how to play? I've read some of her previous play. I know at least a little bit who I'm talking to. Give her room and space to grow and work with her. Or you can ask her if maybe you can make a deal in which you don't play together until you see growth. Either of these options are helpful and respectful of the fact that Jeanne, is, in fact, a human being just like the rest of us and deserves the same kind of respect. Attacking people personally simply hurts that person more and makes it harder for them to overcome their adversity. Please speak no more harm of her in this game. It's rather rude and hurtful and I don't expect you would enjoy hearing the same from another.

Getting defensive is not getting your hands dirty, it's trying to stay alive. It's also relatively scummy, and increasingly so when the only cases you deal with are those of others.

Anyone can point out something wrong or a possible other side of a case against a town player, since town can never know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the player they make a case against is scum. This takes no such talent, and tearing cases down, I've found, is also a tactic more commonly used by scum. A good town player criticizes constructively and builds on a case or explains why they disagree. Because every case will simply be a point of view, an addition to the picture. Tearing people down and intimidating them out of sharing their cases is scummy because it keeps town reinstating the whole picture.

So because of this, your entire post is a scum claim, in my eyes.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ Elyse wrote:
@EE
Jeanne is incompetent. Don't hold your breath. I also don't understand how I haven't been "getting dirty" - I've pushed Kling and was the first to call out randomidget. I've called Jaqen's case bullshit and dismantled your case before it got so full of misreps that no one was taking it seriously and I didn't bother trying. You literally make things up to fit your narrative.

So because of this, your entire post is a scum claim, in my eyes.

I apologize, this was in reference only to the quoted portion of your post.

That most definitely was not a scumclaim.

@TSO

↑ Spifflop wrote:

↑ Alchemist21 wrote:Anen seems snarkier than I remember him being in the past.

VOTE: Anen

This vote is shit. How is that scummy?

↑ Spifflop wrote:

↑ Alchemist21 wrote:Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

I don't like this explanation either. I don't get how the first sentence is even a bad thing. And it's a huge jump to base a meta argument off of what looks to me like RVS trolling. Especially when it's as basic as "X didn't do this in a previous town game therefore scum".

These are some of the reasons I'm scumreading him. Not nearly as confident in this as the Klingon and randomidget scum reads though. Why the fixation on Alchemist?

Also, you are doing God's work with your vote.

~Spiffy

It's a scumread that multiple people have expressed interest in, but that no-one has pursued. That's usually a good sign that the player in question is scum.