Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[Mathdino]

If Paradox or Creature claimed VT would you be saying they would have to be lynched at some point? Of course you wouldn't.

creature is just gonna get NK'd

paradox i guess is policyviggable, i wouldn't mind a vig there if he just claimed VT out of nowhere (which would be inherently scummy)

[pinturicchio]

I replied to your case point for point and you dropped it.

Another point Math ignored.

I have given you the opportunity to show exactly how they are predatory rather than genuinely trying to sort people, but you chose to disengage. Others have asked similar questions - I pointed out one Gamma asked me earlier which was would qualify as '

predatory

' by your definition, but again you ignore it.

You just ignore every point I make against you anyway.

I pointed out how groundless this was, which you of course ignored.

you overuse the word misrep

This proves my point: you say you want to disengage, but you keep answering shit. And YOU KNOW he will answer. "This game lost it's momentum because of wall posts" my ass

[JaydragonKing]

1: I'm entirely positive he's town, so shooting him is stupid.

2: I'm helping the Vigilante have a valid reason so she can shoot whoever she wants and not have to be shit on by you, Dino.

3: yeah this won't go anywhere any further with only five of us on Anen.

VOTE: Aneninen

L-1.

[pinturicchio]

If Paradox or Creature claimed VT would you be saying they would have to be lynched at some point? Of course you wouldn't.

creature is just gonna get NK'd

paradox i guess is policyviggable, i wouldn't mind a vig there if he just claimed VT out of nowhere (which would be inherently scummy)

So now you're saying that you wouldn't mind to vig your locktown (as said by you)... I don't really know why the fuck I trusted you

[Luca Blight]

Blatantly stripping away context again, Math.

The first, if you quoted the whole thing, would show it was in relation to you wanting

me

lynched, not the other way around.

The other points are basically the same, or refer to you using the same points against me which I have already refuted.

I

never

said you were scum for disengaging. That

is

a misrep.

[pinturicchio]

Oh look, Luca replied, who would have known.

[JaydragonKing]

It's turning into a shitfest and Gamma bailed out. Great.

[Luca Blight]

I'm not going to aplogise for pointing out blatant misreps against me, Pin.

My quote was

"I replied to your case point for point and you dropped it. If you genuinely want to get me lynched perhaps it would be in your interest to try and show why my questions are of a predatory nature"

But he cut out the second bit to make it look like a reason I was scumreading him, which is just a lie, and I'm suppressing the urge to vote him for it.

[pinturicchio]

It's turning into a shitfest and Gamma bailed out. Great.

What do you mean by "bailed out"? (English barrier question)

[JaydragonKing]

"bailed out" - an English slang I am using to describe the horrible timing that Gamma decided to get off site when everything started to heat up.

[pinturicchio]

"bailed out" - an English slang I am using to describe the horrible timing that Gamma decided to get off site when everything started to heat up.

Oh I know the word, I didn't know what you meant with it: thought he said something stupid on another game and was getting banned lol

[Luca Blight]

I encourage everyone to actually click on the posts Math quoted and see them in full context to see the extent of his misrepping.

[Mathdino]

If Paradox or Creature claimed VT would you be saying they would have to be lynched at some point? Of course you wouldn't.

creature is just gonna get NK'd

paradox i guess is policyviggable, i wouldn't mind a vig there if he just claimed VT out of nowhere (which would be inherently scummy)

So now you're saying that you wouldn't mind to vig your locktown (as said by you)... I don't really know why the fuck I trusted you

Does it look like he claimed VT out of nowhere
Because that's the entire premise behind this scenario

[Luca Blight]

But Pin didn't claim VT out of nowhere...

If Paradox was run to L-1 and claimed VT, would you want him vigged?

[pinturicchio]

That scenario isn't happening and you know it, what's the point of even mentioning it

[Mathdino]

But Pin didn't claim VT out of nowhere...

If Paradox was run to L-1 and claimed VT, would you want him vigged?

yes obviously

[Mathdino]

guys if someone manages to get to L-1 and claims VT
- what's the chance that scum ever thinks "yeah that seems like a good nightkill"
- what's the chance that that person doesn't just become an automatic topic of discussion for every remaining day they're alive

if paradox got run up to L-1 and claimed VT, hell yes i would vig him even if i'm townreading him

[pinturicchio]

The thing is, if you were townreading someone, there's no chance he would get to L-1 because "we are not lynching him today guys", so let's cut the hypothetical crap?

[JaydragonKing]

... But wouldn't you rather Lynch Paradox in that situation?

Why the hell do you keep asking the Vigilante to shoot the VTs? Let the Vig take some risks and make smart plays. Don't make us literally make her shoot someone we don't care enough about to Lynch.

[Luca Blight]

Sure, go ahead and vig your strongest townread, but at some point in the game you're going to have to trust in your reads, so that just seems counter-intuitive to me.

Who would you rather have in LYLO, for example - your strong townread Paradox who claimed VT, or Jay who is unreadable and will claim anything to save himself?

[JaydragonKing]

Oh, looks who's doing a misrep of me now. I get your pissed at Dino but don't bring me into it. You don't even know the complete context between my claims.

[Luca Blight]

I also fake claim to save my ass no matter what, so believe me at your own risk..

[Mathdino]

The thing is, if you were townreading someone, there's no chance he would get to L-1 because "we are not lynching him today guys", so let's cut the hypothetical crap?

i guess that would depend on how much influence i have over the gamestate
the hypothetical point is to drive in the idea that good vig play is to policy shoot anyone that either should have already been lynched or is basically going to get lynched tomorrow anyway
the point of getting 2 claims today is to ensure vig doesn't shoot PR

... But wouldn't you rather Lynch Paradox in that situation?

Why the hell do you keep asking the Vigilante to shoot the VTs? Let the Vig take some risks and make smart plays. Don't make us literally make her shoot someone we don't care enough about to Lynch.

- we have a vig and a lynch; it wouldn't really matter to me which was vigged and which was lynched

- because i have played many games with vigs, and have not ONCE seen a vig make a smart play by shooting their personal scumreads

i have seen vigs shoot power roles
i have seen vigs shoot cop innos
i have seen vigs shoot the most active player on a vanity scumread
i have seen vigs policy shoot a doctor the first chance they got

and oftentimes what happens is the vig becomes insanely obvious by the shot alone

i'm thinking like scum here, thinking "what do i most want town to do?"
this is basically what scum wants:
- Vig shoots their personal scumread, flipping town, rather than someone that the rest of the town scumreads.
- That universal scumread either wastes a day getting lynched or is a constant source of paranoia until endgame.
- Scum can easily find the vig just by NKA, because scum is the only one (besides the vig) who actually knows who killed who.

i always design my strategies around what i would NOT want scum to do
hell i'd argue i'm town by pro-town setup shit alone but that would be pretty cheesy because it's fakable

[JaydragonKing]

I also fake claim to save my ass no matter what, so believe me at your own risk..

Oh, looks who's doing a misrep of me now. I get your pissed at Dino but don't bring me into it. You don't even know the complete context between my claims.

[pinturicchio]

The problem with your strategy is that you are getting claims just for the sake of it, not because a "universal scumread", because the wagons were shit. If you really dislike vig killing his scumreads, then ask the vig to not kill anyone at all on D1