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BM has posted a lot. I think he's handling the pressure well if scum and seems fairly confident he's town this game.
I understand there's a lot of ground to cover but could you brain spew about someone you'd find easy to read?
I don't know your level of mafia experience, can you share so I can have an idea of my expectations in regards to your hunting ability?

In post 1339, Akarin wrote:I think the most frustrating thing about mech talk is it's completely necessary in setups like this, but people's eyes glaze over when it starts.

I think there's plenty of AI stuff in there. Specifically in MurderCat's

approach

to sort-of agreeing with stuff but not pushing it. As their responses to me trying to point that out where they got into "well I was among the first to claim" as a defense. Why do you think that's totally irrelevant to alignment?

I guess, but if people don't want to do a specific plan, I don't see the point in discussing much further.

I'm pretty solid on my approach with the setup.
No lim decision is delayed a little latter D1.
I want to group but I don't think everybody should, especially if they'd rather not.
Claiming rooms is up to the person but I think it helps the above two setup takes more.
Do you want to group with somebody for your room today? I made a requote post-chain that never went beyond ...

As for , I didn't see the or the context around it? But I don't think is AI as a principle because there's 16 slots to sort in 7 days with a lot of focus on mechanic discussion. So I'm not convinced of your read here unless you give tangible examples...

also, do post links instead of quotes if you must. That's easier for me to look at, please.

Blitzo wrote:@Taly - dcan you go more in-depth on that barter statement?
Why is that scummy?
Who are your other scumreads and why?

Because for votes - until mine - have been onto more popular wagons and I can't tell if they're trying to push people off reads or to upstart a wagon that threatens to lim.

I can't tell the sincerity behind their posts and I feel like they're dismissive to anyone they think is scum, which is usually more annoying than scum, but I want to push it right now.

is someone I'm sorting heavily because I don't know what to make of that OMGUS take of my vote on and I want to gauge their POV over the no-lim vote just yet.

I honestly don't have many scumreads at the moment. Not something I want to admit, but I'm working to rectify this.

DrippingGoofball wrote:@Taky My votes are to make the game move forward, not to barter. To create alignment indicative content. Pressure people, force them to take stances, inspire them to participate. Yeet scum if I do it right.

Then what changed your mind on ?

SirCakez wrote:

In post 1331, Taly wrote:mainly just pissy because i am giving content and im upset with the handwave dismissal i sense from 1/3rd of the plist. ill get over it soon.

I am reading your posts but I am struggling to get a ton from them
Thus my post

I don't know what to say other than... just tell you to ask what you want to know? Uh.

It's definitely more in-good-faith to just ask if I'm not clear about something rather than perpetuate the narrative that I'm convoluted, which I feel others have done.

I don't know what else to do for you.

Can someone explain to me why TGP is town?
Akarin's read is probably the third or fourth person that has stated such in yet I see no reasons for any of them.
Why is it so hard to get people to explain things this game?

In post 1349, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1335, Bell wrote:This is town Bell speaking, yes. Yes, Hello, thank you.

hmmm

hmmm?

I like Bell

@Bell - I'm assuming you're talking to me or Taly?
I actually can't tell.
I'm also not really sated with either answer and definitely need more elaboration on, like, everything.

In post 1352, Blitzo wrote:Can someone explain to me why TGP is town?
Akarin's read is probably the third or fourth person that has stated such in yet I see no reasons for any of them.
Why is it so hard to get people to explain things this game?

Gunna put you down as inexperienced on mafiascum.net meta.

@Blitzo to you. It's a bad habit where I don't really remember to address people half the time.

In post 1355, MURDERCAT wrote:I like Bell

Dogs Cats? Bears.

In post 1352, Blitzo wrote:Can someone explain to me why TGP is town?
Akarin's read is probably the third or fourth person that has stated such in yet I see no reasons for any of them.
Why is it so hard to get people to explain things this game?

I'd like be discussed more. I don't have a good grasp on them and I didn't care much for their posts as I recall my last impression of them.

Bell wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 1352, Blitzo wrote:Can someone explain to me why TGP is town?
Akarin's read is probably the third or fourth person that has stated such in yet I see no reasons for any of them.
Why is it so hard to get people to explain things this game?

Gunna put you down as inexperienced on mafiascum.net meta.

@Blitzo to you. It's a bad habit where I don't really remember to address people half the time.

Honestly, I've been on MS for years on/off and I still feel pain here.

I've played a few games of mafia, if that's what you're asking.
As for spew, I still don't really understand what you're looking for?
I feel like I've explained the majority of my reads so it's not like I'm keeping anything secret, so if there's something specific you want on someone specific I might need you to point fingers.
As for BM, I don't see how he's handling the pressure well or how you can confidently read him town?
I actually feel like that idea is sort of wishy washy and needs more elaboration.

In post 1343, DrippingGoofball wrote:@Taky My votes are to make the game move forward, not to barter. To create alignment indicative content. Pressure people, force them to take stances, inspire them to participate. Yeet scum if I do it right.

@Blitzo. This is a good enough explanation for you in regards to early play in this game state. That plus, you know, intuition/scum bullshit.

Spewing: Basically saying whatever comes to mind about a player to demonstrate some level of analysis of their play and so that we can see if you're trying to determine other people's alignments or whether you already know who the scum/town are cause you're scum.

ill get to better explanation better but mainly i dont see scum-him interacting with the people who has voted him as he does.

as for spew, don't worry about that , you're already doing it by just chatting real-time.

and read is not wishy-washy



what do you think of latest posts and rationality in the post you just quoted?

In post 1346, Bell wrote:Could you explain Gamma, Titus, and if you have time (you can half ass it) Pooky?

In brief, I don't agree with all Gamma's reads, I think some of them are kind of ridiculous, but I kind of see where most of the stuff he says is coming from and it seems very actively solvey. Posts like 516 or 1029. Or the "scumslip" argument on Reck and then dropping it and thinking Reck was stubborn town rather than getting tunneled on it.

Titus it's partly that she's sitting stubbornly on No Elimination despite wanting the wagons for scumhunting. She could be pushing a wagon on town if she were scum, it's reasonably likely, and if she were scum, having more wagon analysis for BS later would be useful, but she's stubbornly sticking to what she thinks is best for town. Is it that impossible that she could have agreed with Alisae "for the wagon analysis" or something?

Also her mini argument with me yesterday, I thought she resolved in a very pro-town way when it would have been trivial to make that more anti-town.

Pooky it's the joy of trying to solve the setup stuff and how I feel we're kind of mind-melding on parts of it and I feel some frustrated-bear at places when I was feeling frustrated too. Not in the way that tons of people just want to whine about too much mech talk or "still being in RVS" (which yes, I know was Titus, but I don't think it's a scum thing, just a counterproductive thing that happens in a lot of games). Pooky feels like he's having the same thought process around some of this stuff in a way that I don't think is easy to fake.

going to sleep. night

@Taly:
1. I think Blitzo's most recent is better but still low content. Him not being an alt/lying about not being an alt provides some context to why he seems to be floundering, but meh.
2. I think she'd play like this as either alignment

In post 1351, Taly wrote:>I want to group but I don't think everybody should, especially if they'd rather not.

What's the point in this. If there are 2 scum NKs but you aren't among them, how is that better than having just one NK?

Blitzo is an alt of a player with limited experience I thought

That was a very frustrating response, Taly. I'll come back later. But I did post a lot of stuff before.

Feels like you aren't really looking at what I'm saying about Murdercat at all.

In post 1368, MURDERCAT wrote:Blitzo is an alt of a player with limited experience I thought

Not actually confirmed to be limited actually

@Bell - I am an alt?
I'm not really sure what you're saying here.
@Taly - my statement about TGP was aimed at Bell, not you.
PEDIT - MC is correct that I have claimed to be an alt in another game, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm lying about it.

In post 1364, Akarin wrote:

In post 1346, Bell wrote:Could you explain Gamma, Titus, and if you have time (you can half ass it) Pooky?

In brief, I don't agree with all Gamma's reads, I think some of them are kind of ridiculous, but I kind of see where most of the stuff he says is coming from and it seems very actively solvey. Posts like 516 or 1029. Or the "scumslip" argument on Reck and then dropping it and thinking Reck was stubborn town rather than getting tunneled on it.

Titus it's partly that she's sitting stubbornly on No Elimination despite wanting the wagons for scumhunting. She could be pushing a wagon on town if she were scum, it's reasonably likely, and if she were scum, having more wagon analysis for BS later would be useful, but she's stubbornly sticking to what she thinks is best for town. Is it that impossible that she could have agreed with Alisae "for the wagon analysis" or something?

Also her mini argument with me yesterday, I thought she resolved in a very pro-town way when it would have been trivial to make that more anti-town.

Pooky it's the joy of trying to solve the setup stuff and how I feel we're kind of mind-melding on parts of it and I feel some frustrated-bear at places when I was feeling frustrated too. Not in the way that tons of people just want to whine about too much mech talk or "still being in RVS" (which yes, I know was Titus, but I don't think it's a scum thing, just a counterproductive thing that happens in a lot of games). Pooky feels like he's having the same thought process around some of this stuff in a way that I don't think is easy to fake.

Good stuff.
1. I don't get Gamma's confidence or where it comes from in regards to his reads. Normally I would think scum faking conviction if I didn't have peripheral and direct experience with him playing this way as town. Mostly, it's just weird and not very convincing.
2. I don't think titus is the only player that gets at least a little something from VCA, if anything it doesn't make sense that she wants to end the day with less information than we would've gathered through normal play.
3. Sure.

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