Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:48 am
by Marky Mark
Yeah, I really struggled to pick through this. It would've been more helpful to have a concise summary of the key points rather than an extended post, a fair chunk of which is very speculative. We have a reasonably active playerlist, but given the pace of the game, I can't see all of the plist taking the time to read thisIn post 1349, JacksonVirgo wrote:I'm quoting this so I can come back to it once I've finished catching up, as holy fuck this is big.In post 1066, Flea The Magician wrote:*Yeets nora a sandwich to munch while reading this.*
Spoiler: OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!Alright let's drop the act for this one, it's clear to me that anything less blunt and to the point commentary is going to be considered by our sharpened steel friend here.
In post 32, Guillotina wrote:My name is not Joseph! How dare you!Which given these have a nice and chill vibe to them amuses me greatly.In post 36, Guillotina wrote:Yaaaah! I'm here to lighten your days yo!
Make your days grand while killing scum!
Now this is his 4th post, and the game has moved on to page 3, almost page 4.In post 96, Guillotina wrote:New to the forum right?
In post 30, Horsewoman wrote:Yah, new to the forum.In post 25, Noraa wrote:MINE
VOTE: No Elim. But not like the user no elim, like a vote to not elimOk
{. Are you new to the forum or pretending to be new to the forum?
This denotes excitement, wants to get the game going. Horsewoman, it's a 10-day Day phase game.In post 54, Horsewoman wrote:very sad! low energy! lame!
You were bored and you are probably used to fast games.In post 68, Horsewoman wrote:I did want to drive the game forward but I didn't (and don't) have any reads this early so I hoped someone else would do it for me
Yah, you've been fucking around.In post 70, Horsewoman wrote:To some extent, sure. It wasn't entirely serious in tone because I rarely am.
Not necessarilyIn post 72, Horsewoman wrote:Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset
This is fairlysharpshift in tone and seems to be setting up for a SR imo.
Testing the waters maybe? I'm probably stretching here but this is what it feels like to me at the moment.In post 98, Guillotina wrote:Two questions, 1) do you think HW gave up and let others do everything?In post 83, JacksonVirgo wrote:In post 43, Horsewoman wrote:Alright, someone do the protown thing and create something dumb and artificial to get us out of RVSThis is the post of my main read, they're not even trying to post on interactions or anything. The game right now is on page 3, nobody would really have any solid reads at all but it doesn't mean we all just give up and let other's do everything. I first read this as a joke post as I've said, which is why I brushed off Marks read but then when they made that second post I quoted said that it was at least semi-serious and that's plain anti-town behaviour and I'm not going to let that slip regardless if they're Town acting anti-town.In post 68, Horsewoman wrote:I did want to drive the game forward but I didn't (and don't) have any reads this early so I hoped someone else would do it for me
And then when I called it out for being anti-town behaviour they flipped the wording to make them look like they're actively trying to push the game out of RVS and solve and in extension discredit my case, they're blatantly trying to sap the town-cred from RVS. This is just straight scummy behaviour, what Town would twist the wording in this situation for their own self-gain.In post 72, Horsewoman wrote:Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset
2) In your experience, do all town members behave and act upon posts the same?
Me too! Hey look you made a fluff post with no point to it, what's the world coming to, hm?In post 107, Guillotina wrote:Is this an reference I'm supposed to understand? I'm also new here so I didn't get it.In post 99, JacksonVirgo wrote:Of course not, some prime examples of anti-town behaviour includeNot_Mafia, Not_Mafia and Not_Mafia.
If the deep dive goes absolutely nowhere, then you're not doing it right, quite frankly. Your deep dive was a setup for something that hasn't quite panned out and is now making you look bad.In post 177, Guillotina wrote:Nice try at discrediting my way of game solving.
First, if the deep dive goes absolutely nowhere is because the content of it didn't. Thank you.
Two, my deep dive allowed me deduce that you attempted to noobtell and miserably failed.
Three, makes me wonder why you tried to noobtell? Either alignment do this, but why did you?
If you want to call people out for no-contenting, then at least provide some yourself. You can always provide content from nothing.
You could just read yourself and see.In post 178, Guillotina wrote:Have you explained why already?In post 103, Noraa wrote: Ok well im now 99% sure I have soul read on Flea and I think they're scum. Maybe will explain why later. A bit cautious treading in this territory cuz last I SRed Flea, they were town. Gimme some time to think.
Now I like this one. "Hah you thought this point but not this point! Therefore you are scum, my dear!"In post 188, Guillotina wrote:Curious how you fought the noobtell accusation but not the "attempt at discrediting me" one.
VOTE: Horsewoman
This ones also interesting. The context has been left out, potentially leaving it to be twisted for later deeds. It's a strictly out of game comment aimed at Nora when it comes to my personality beyond the game. You then take this moment to prod me on HW.In post 196, Guillotina wrote:AtE?In post 194, Flea The Magician wrote:Also I'll have you know I'm just as fluffy in real life. My queer butt just wants to love, be loved and hug friendos!
And also I will protect those I consider within the boundaries of my inner circle with my life. A truly scary sight to witness a fight or flight instinct be controlled and wielded in such a manner with reckless disregard for all but whom I stand to protect.
But thankfully the world isn't that full of meanies so I don't have to do that ʕ灬￫ᴥ￩灬ʔ
Flea, what do you think about Horsewoman so far?
Not always. If we were children, maybe.In post 206, Guillotina wrote:This is inaccurate. NoobsScum will ignore and evade town that scum read them by instinct.In post 201, Marky Mark wrote:Thinking about it, this feels like an inaccuracy - in my (limited) experience, newbscum tend to panic when people vote them rather than playing it cool like a more seasoned player. Not sure if you are stretching the truth to fit the facts here or have just had a different experience of playing with new players (entirely possible).In post 165, Noraa wrote:barely caring about other people's SRs on you(which is a newbscum tell that says they know the people SRing are right so they are avoiding)
Btw - pagetop without even realising until I'd posted #oblivious #ImJustThatGood
A noob town will panic because in their own perspective, they should be obvious town cause they are being honest, so when they get votes they panic because they dont understand it.
This is setting up for later, it's almost like gut instinct isn't allowed and I'm not allowed have my read without justification.In post 210, Guillotina wrote:If there is nothing significant, why you sus her? Explain please.In post 209, Flea The Magician wrote:Not at all, just reflecting on my mannerisms ^_^ I am the universal parent friendoIn post 196, Guillotina wrote:AtE?In post 194, Flea The Magician wrote:Also I'll have you know I'm just as fluffy in real life. My queer butt just wants to love, be loved and hug friendos!
And also I will protect those I consider within the boundaries of my inner circle with my life. A truly scary sight to witness a fight or flight instinct be controlled and wielded in such a manner with reckless disregard for all but whom I stand to protect.
But thankfully the world isn't that full of meanies so I don't have to do that ʕ灬￫ᴥ￩灬ʔ
Flea, what do you think about Horsewoman so far?
Horsey is sus, but nothing significant as of yet.
Why mention me specifically? This is part of a setup imo.In post 212, Guillotina wrote:Town: JacksonViggo, Nora
Null: Flea
Scum: Horsewoman, LlamaMama
For now
I love this.In post 228, Guillotina wrote:Notes for my future self and my teammates, should I die, they can look into my ISO.In post 213, Flea The Magician wrote:Gut reads and overall tone. Nothing significant and nothing worth building a case on.In post 210, Guillotina wrote: If there is nothing significant, why you sus her? Explain please.
#212 is interesting though, what are you trying to achieve with this reads list?
It's stupidly NAI worded xD
OBEY ME OR I'M GOING TO JUST be kinda lazy... hm.In post 243, Guillotina wrote:Maybe i was wrong townreading you. This is not how town proceeds.In post 233, Noraa wrote:Nah I liked his reply and now TR him. If he starts being scummy again tho, my walls of evidence will come strolling in in some tall high heels like clickety clack clack.
VOTE: Noraa
Evidence of shading or i'll park this vote.
Potential associative? This is an extreme shift though, that pressure vote just *poof* gone faster than a fart in the wind. The vote on Noraa is now serving no purpose.In post 246, Guillotina wrote:Yah i dont think I'm actually God of mafia and found 3 wolves in day 1. But those slots need to get sorted.In post 245, JacksonVirgo wrote:This is about where I’m at as well although I don’t think all three of those are scum together, I think at least one is though if that makes sense.In post 244, Guillotina wrote:Town: JacksonViggo, Mark
Null: Flea
Scum: Horsewoman, LlamaMama, Noraa
Horsewoman is obvscum! I'd yeet her first.
OK fine I can't help myself OK? This is why I said its half and half
Because she's obvscum, obviously. pfft. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
In post 256, Guillotina wrote:Curious again, i never said you did discredit me for any of those things, but if it is in your mind, it's because it's true.In post 253, Horsewoman wrote:Yes, i was attempting to discredit your deep dive because it was dumb. I wasnt trying to discresit you as a person or your slot. I also wasnt discrediting the deep dive because I thought you were onto me - the idea is laughable.In post 188, Guillotina wrote:Curious how you fought the noobtell accusation but not the "attempt at discrediting me" one.
VOTE: Horsewoman
In a couple of hours I will read the game properly and come to conclusionsI like these two posts...In post 257, Guillotina wrote:This is what you are psychologically telling me.In post 253, Horsewoman wrote:Yes, i was attempting to discredit your deep dive because it wasIn post 188, Guillotina wrote:Curious how you fought the noobtell accusation but not the "attempt at discrediting me" one.
VOTE: Horsewomansmart. IWAStrying to discresit you as a person or your slot. I alsoWASdiscrediting the deep dive because I thought you were onto me - the idea isNOTlaughable.
In a couple of hours I will read the game properly and come to conclusions
Literally Guillotina putting words in mouth and trying to force something that I don't think is there.
This is an impressive Deathtunnel, shame about the execution though.
LOOOK AT MEEEEE! I'M MR GUUUILLLLOTIIIIIINA!!!!In post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
Attempt at putting pressure back on Noraa, which I sadly know won't work.
"You're obvscum! And I'mma vote yoooou! except you're not so amma vote Noraa instead because she won't OBEY." (✿˘艸˘✿)
And yet there's an actual post where I literally just OMGUS'd and I got the best interaction in this game yet from itIn post 289, Guillotina wrote:A town wouldn't be afraid to OMGUS me if my pushes on them seemed so aggressive. I was expecting her to woman up and say fuck you! And vote me, cause that's what I'd do. As town i wouldn't just ignore you and let you paint me as scum, if you are framing me, you are going down with me.In post 273, JacksonVirgo wrote:That basis for lock-scumming Horse is kinda weak. Just because you SR them doesn't mean town!them would SR you back.In post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
See this is where I think these constant read lists are a little butt bitey. It's entirely NAI but I find it amusing that these lists are being stuck to like rigidly. There's 3 options and 3 options only. There's no information on town leans and no effort to solve outside these lists IMO.In post 308, Guillotina wrote:Did Noraa froze?
Horsewoman, Llama slot and Noraa is where I'll vote today.
JK, Mark. Whom you'd most likely vote to yeet here?
Two in one.In post 309, Guillotina wrote:Flea, are you town? Your ISO is more fluff than game solving as of now.In post 307, Flea The Magician wrote:Helpful PC User EBWOP for himIn post 305, Guillotina wrote:Townie response.In post 291, JacksonVirgo wrote:They aren't you, not everyone is the same.In post 289, Guillotina wrote:A town wouldn't be afraid to OMGUS me if my pushes on them seemed so aggressive. I was expecting her to woman up and say fuck you! And vote me, cause that's what I'd do. As town i wouldn't just ignore you and let you paint me as scum, if you are framing me, you are going down with me.In post 273, JacksonVirgo wrote:That basis for lock-scumming Horse is kinda weak. Just because you SR them doesn't mean town!them would SR you back.In post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
As I've said earlier, I'm fluffy af as a person.o(〃＾▽＾〃)o
My game policy is "I'm here for good time not for long time!"
You cut past the fluff I post, and you'll find content. You have to be willing to work for it, which to me at this point it's clear you're not and I get a frustrated vibe from you towards me because of all this. Partly why I've dropped most of the persona from this ISO so you can read it and not get pissed offI have quite a developed reads list at this point and have fewer nulls than you
Look inside and be afraid, of this impressive mess I've made. If you take a look now you will fiiiiiiiiind! I have done away with lies, done away with paradise, see whats going on inside my miiieeeeennnnnnnd mwahahaha
Just as a friendly pointer, there's the ISO sections which let you look at players in ISOlation, and there's the Activity overview on the bottom that lets you see how active players are and how long since they last postedIn post 310, Guillotina wrote:Has No Elim posted at all?
As a less friendly note... this be fluff
Oh, my god. You suck.In post 316, Guillotina wrote:In post 312, Noraa wrote:Ur town play is trash then if that's how you think. OMGUSing is something nearly every newbie does but thinking it is optimal play is pretty bad.
The irony.
By the way, you don't get town points for OMGUSing me after I said why I think town would or should.
OMGUS is a term created by wolves to discredit town hunches on votes against them.
Also, next time I would appreciate if you did take quotes out of context, that's a very scummy thing to do. Do not worry though, I will look into the original posts for context.
A term created by wolves to discredit town pushes... but you want people to OMGUS you...
It's not a bad thing to do, honestly. and for some play styles, it's optimal. I use it occasionally because it gives me information I can work with ¡¡¡( •̀ ᴗ •́ )و!!!
But then I'm a weird player
See this is why I love Nora, Nora picks up on this shiz but doesn't call it out like I do.In post 321, Guillotina wrote:Nice try! I did,'t create the term dummy. It's been on existence since way before you started playing this.In post 319, Noraa wrote:you just called urself scum lol.In post 317, Guillotina wrote:By the way, you don't get town points for OMGUSing me after I said why I think town would or should.
OMGUS is a term created by wolves to discredit town hunches on votes against them.
Gulliotina coming in with the strawman defence.
And now we have a full reads list. All nulls included.In post 322, Guillotina wrote:Ok so
Town
Mark
JK
Momrangal
Null
Flea
Nono
DGB
no elim
Scum
Noraa
Horsewoman
LlamaMama
AGamblingPig
Toogeloo
Double contexter, I actually quite like the response to my shade and it's AI IMO.In post 325, Guillotina wrote:Now Noraa, see this? This is shading!In post 324, Flea The Magician wrote:I like this.In post 323, Guillotina wrote:I'll keep my vote on Noraa, but i'm willing to come to a consensus with the people I town read to vote for someone else, as long as that someone else is in my scum list.
"You can work with me but I'll only work with you if its in my interests!"
Flea, would you rather if i negotiated for a yeet in my town read list? How about in my null list? And why?
To answer the question, town reads not at all, null reads, yes. Absolutely yes. Your nulls should be a main focus IMO. Those are slots you need to sort. Given I've been specifically placed in your null list that means I've done something worthy of your attention, meaning I should be sorted by now. You've at best been idlying playing with your scum reads at this point and I get a lazy cat vibe from you overall.
This is not a valid read to increase the read on someone.In post 337, Guillotina wrote:I agree.In post 329, Toogeloo wrote:I can't not say I won't read fae not aligned with anti-town.
Faer fluffy.
You went up to null, because you are either a smartass town or God Level WIFOM Mafia.
You don't improve a read based on WIFOM drops or someone being a smartass. WIFOM is the weapon of the foul and low.
Now we have some meat. Me and Toogs have swapped places. All I did was yeet some shade, and now I'm scum. Toogs was a smartass/WIFOM-bomber and moved up.In post 342, Guillotina wrote:Town
Mark
JK
Momrangal
Null
Nono
DGB
no elim
Toogeloo
Scum
Flea
Noraa
Horsewoman
LlamaMama
AGamblingPig
This progression is WEEEEERRRRIIIIIIDD!
Which is manifested here. Now my posts are fluff after fluff after fluff. That lazy cat vibe is back again. I know there's content in my posts, and so do others. You just have to effort it to find it.In post 345, Guillotina wrote:I’m aware i can be wrong and I’m willing to be proven wrong.In post 343, Flea The Magician wrote:These posts are going to be your downfall... Your progression on me feels a lil weird.ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Do that instead of posting fluff after fluff. Help me townread you if you are town. If you are wolf, keep doing what you are doing, i love it!
It's then the "Help me help you!" line... of laziness. This is more refusal to do anything and condemning me because of how I play the game. It's another case of "OBEY ME OR ELSE (i'm just going to be lazy and just like.. fluff push you I guess?)".
I still find it odd I was mentioned and looking at it, it looks like a setup for later to me.In post 351, Guillotina wrote:In post 347, Marky Mark wrote:Confused why you would pick out Flea specifically as being null (as opposed to the other 9 players implicitly null by not being in your list)?In post 212, Guillotina wrote:Town: JacksonViggo, Nora
Null: Flea
Scum: Horsewoman, LlamaMama
For now
At the time i had no impressions about others. Only those names.
Flea gave me mixed feelings then, so null.
IIoA-ish. Also I'm glad you know what you meant with the second bold, because I don't.In post 354, Guillotina wrote:First bold, if it is a pocket, it’s a town pocket so do not worry. Unless you are wolf, then you should worry as town do pocket wolves too.In post 348, Marky Mark wrote:+1In post 229, Guillotina wrote:Who is the LHF here?In post 219, Momrangal wrote:Scum reads have to come from somewhere, and I'm not fond of people picking on low hanging fruit
I've not quoted the follow up posts but its great to have guillotine on the same wavelength (unless its a pocketofc
Cheeky naked vote on consensus SR. Have some scumpoints.
Yeah, nah. Try harder please. Both dropped a no-context voteIn post 234, Momrangal wrote:Both of these two were V/LA at the time of his pushIn post 156, Marky Mark wrote:Pig and Nono's 0-context votes seem sus to me, especially when we are getting beyond RVSpriorto going V/LA, when the game was getting well beyond RVS. This is a behaviour that is scummy, so I called it out. Would it have been better to ignore it?
Btw lol, I'm loving JV and Guillotine taking Noraa to task on their push on me, before I've replied. Welcome to theMarky Mark entourage guys :3
Second bold, i know what you are implying here and I love it because that thought process could only come from town.
I'm not seeing them though, and not as being called out from you... You've been on HW since the start of the day with saying she's scummy.In post 358, Guillotina wrote:Horsewoman raised several red flags before i said “definitely scum”.
Do you suggest i pace myself down though?
I freaking love Nora, she is my kinda chaos - and this to me is one of the definitions of OMGUS, called out for something and bites back.In post 369, Guillotina wrote:You got a point. I did say my vote would go to HW if you answered my questions about Mark's shading posts.In post 365, Noraa wrote:PFFT. You keep repeating that yet ur vote's on me. LOL.In post 362, Guillotina wrote:@mark I understand. Still believe HW is scum and until she towns up, she is not getting out of my list.
I'm a man of my word.
VOTE: Horsewoman
You are still in my scum list though.
This is worth noting because....In post 375, Guillotina wrote:I said that i would be judging the game based on this game's actions. So any kind of meta is irrelevant to me including people's self meta.
I think a lot of people are seeing things you're notIn post 380, Guillotina wrote:First bold, what early posts from Flea looked like scum hunting? Maybe you are seeing something I'm not.In post 363, AGamblingPig wrote:Flea - I wish you'd stop using so many spoiler tags. It makes it easy to miss the content of your posts, which are pretty good.Town for now.Early posting looks like honest scum hunting.
Toog - I'm fine with any votes for horse.Then again maybe I'm just paranoid.But the early serious vote smells of bussing.
Second bold, do you really believe there is utility for scum to bus a teammate on D1, when it's really easy to try to do anything else but that? Have you played as scum before?
"I AM UNREEEEEEAAAAAADABLEEEE!!! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH*coughcoughsplutter*In post 389, Guillotina wrote:Well for one, i purposely change my meta in every game, that way noone can reference meta about me and have to solve me base on the game im playing. Two, I was extremely arrogant and irresponsible in SirCakez game, i FPS, but I'm not ready to do that again in a community where I'm new at, so, you get standard focused Guillo in this one.
Sadly as someone who uses a persona to play this game and avoid meta, patterns will always emerge no matter how you try and play. Oh, and self-meta is here
Sorry nornor, that means your soul reads on me aren't on me but on the person and will probably always be wrong <3
IIoA. Not only that, it's putting words in her mouth. This looks like framing to me.In post 392, Guillotina wrote:Noraa town reads Flea now.In post 384, JacksonVirgo wrote:You're voting away from your 99% soul-read on scum!flea again? Can you explain why you're doing that and why you're voting them when I think they're fairly townie + you give no reasonings here.
MEEEEOOOOOOWWWW!!!In post 404, Guillotina wrote:Help me see it. Do me a point by point of why I might be wrong about HW.In post 403, Noraa wrote:I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.
So is this, honestly. Yes it's NAI and doing nothing in and of itself, however, it's still doing something. I'm not going to explain it to you though, you're a lazy butt.In post 409, Guillotina wrote:More fluff.In post 405, Flea The Magician wrote:Half way through an ISO, have been distracted with a stardew game with my goblin and gremlin. Will finish later.
Just because you cannot see something, doesn't mean it isn't there.
Non-commital and sitting on a fence. This right here, is a fluff post. I'll do a comparison after this.In post 415, Guillotina wrote:Noraa is either scum playing dumb or a Naive Town.
Yes, yes you do. If someone says their mental health is crap you don't throw it at them as AtE to get out of something. Anyone using that as an excuse honestly deserves to be in the bin.In post 429, Guillotina wrote:I'm gonna look like an asshole, but this sounds a lot like AtE. I hope you do get better but I still suspect this slot.In post 421, Horsewoman wrote:Yeah I just wanted you all not to call me names and stuff, I dont know anyone here is the thing.In [url=/viewtopic.php?p=12428303#p12428303]post 402[/url], Noraa wrote:I mean if she's new to this site, she's not familiar with site meta and stuff like that. I find it not crazy to ask for people to go easy on her.In post 400, Momrangal wrote:She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"In post 356, Noraa wrote:I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.
I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum
Also sorry for not posting anything substantive in aaages, couple of bad mental health days. Sadly the streak will continue as I will be unable to post anything substantive for some hours now.
I myself have several conditions that affect my ability to play as much as I would like and people have simply said "No worries, catch up when you can. If you're able are you able to answer these questions for me?"
We're good folk here <3
For someone doing absolutely bare minimum themselves, this is a big ask.In post 430, Guillotina wrote:Also, this did feel like shading. I don't believe you are an idiot if you are playing this game so I don't believe your question was a real one. Then you state that we can all see what Momrangal was trying to convey. Who is all? Did you ask each and every one of us to come to that conclusion?In post 423, Marky Mark wrote:Evening all, today has just been very mental with work, so apologies for not being on. This will be a flying catchup post until I get a chance to sit down properly (hopefully tomorrow)
UNVOTE: - I'll give Llama's replacement a chance to catch up and psot their thoughts of the game state. The slot is scummy an I don't want to let it slip off the hook, but my vote there serves no purpose atm.
On a similar note - I can see that Pig's vote is on No Elim, who is also being replaced.
- @Pig: Who would be your next choice to vote aside from no elim's slot?
I just don't get this post - likeIn post 413, Guillotina wrote:MafiaIn post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that mannerwhy botherstating the obvious assumption being drawn herewhen we can all seewhat Momrangal was trying to convey?
GIT IN MAH POKIT!In post 439, Guillotina wrote:Nah, I'm not voting outside my scum list, but!In post 438, DrippingGoofball wrote:I don't have much of a read on that slot, so vote and see.
We can scrutinize!
@Momrangal
You scumread Horsewoman and I agree.
Who else do you scum read? Who do you town read?
And more importantly, why?
I also wanna point out, theres been no reads lists recently.
Damn I wish I could stretch this well...In post 442, Guillotina wrote:I'm talking about the alleged "Outside of MS games". Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?In post 440, Horsewoman wrote:Dude this is my second game of MS mafia and the first is ongoing.In post 431 Guillotina wrote:Now this is revealing.In post 414, Noraa wrote:well this actually sounds dull upon reread.In post 411, Noraa wrote:"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.
"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"
Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......
Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a behavior pattern rather than an AI.
this is beautiful, I think amma cry :')In post 443, Guillotina wrote:Wrong, you can't say that you could have easily pretended to be totally new, when it only took two posts to catch you. Let's put it this way, you might be a seasoned player but you are a terrible liar, the problem here is, why you tried to lie to us?In post 441, Horsewoman wrote:Bro you talking like i was trying to hide my mafia experience (which was 72 hour day phases and really casual) but I immediately said I had experience when asked even though i easily could have pretended to be totally new as the forum i played on is now down and I didnt even use this username so nobody was catching meIn [url=/viewtopic.php?p=12428664#p12428664]post 412[/url], Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
In post 450, Guillotina wrote:See this is what I'm talking about? You want us to town read you but you take posts out of context and AtE to try to get us to not push you, which makes me want to push you more. She is talking about, why would any of us would take it easy on you because you are new? Why would we believe that you are new? Why do we care that you are new or experienced? There are games for newbies here. You could have signed to one of those but you chose to sign up for a no-newbies game, which is fine! But don't expect preferential treatment.In post 447, Horsewoman wrote:This is a train of thought that I have seen many times that basically goes 'only mafia would care about being lynched/treated badly'. Completely wrong! Being mislynched sucks on an emotional level and it also hurts town on a game level! Town have a huge interest in not being lynched.In post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
Being myslynched sucks, but that is what towns are destined to be, some of us will have to die, so others can get info out of our deaths and solve the game. Don't take it personally, it is part of the game, don't act like it is not.
Now I'm gonna let go of your "noob" BS and work with you, help me townread you.I will lose my mind, make it real this tiiiiime, to leave it all behind. I won't cry wolf.
Show me a sign, planets will align,
I'm gunna blow my mind. I won't, cry wolf.
Would you kindly, obey? obey. OBEY. OBEY.In post 452, Guillotina wrote:Stop this! We are past that unless you want me to keep tunneling you. I asked you for reads on people, can you please provide them?In post 449, Horsewoman wrote:WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUIn post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.
This is going beyond attacking the slot at this point.In post 456, Guillotina wrote:
Saying "go easy on me" is expecting preferential treatment! Think about that hard.
If you stop engaging with my posts I will never townread you, i think it is in your best interest to convince me that you are town. I'm willing to move past your failed noob gimmick attempt and start over! There are many ways to find out if you are scum or not.
Look, town can lie too, there are many players here that yeet all liars no matter the reasons, I disagree. Town can lie for good reasons, for dumb reasons or just because the slot is a compulsive liar that randed town (not saying that any of these are you), I wanted to see why you tried to lie about that and see if such lie can come from a town slot.
I'm not convinced you are town. tbf.
I'm looking forward to your engagement! Bring me a pelt.
Also, MEOW!
Disagree.In post 459, Guillotina wrote:Shading is like putting someone on a bad light in bad faith. It's the act of de-valuating, gaslighting and trivializing other people.In post 455, Horsewoman wrote:Oh I do have a question though, what is 'shading'? Seen people use that term like 10 times this game, no idea what it means. Is it just being sketchy/shady?
You should read this: https://forum.mafia451.com/t/10-psychol ... -mafia/739
Shading is the act of throwing shade and suspicion on a slot and mocking some of the content.
Gaslighting is an abuse tactic.
Devaluing evidence and reads is standard play.
Trivialising people also shouldn't be done as it can drive people down and out. Trivialise the reads and motivations, not the people.
Both. Literally both. This ISO is dropping the persona aspect of me and yeah I'm still acting like an idiotIn post 460, Guillotina wrote: I think Toogeloo is scummy, I just don't know if it's scummy town or just scum. I'm looking closely there but you are right, it's hard to look when the slot is not creating content.
Marky Mark, i generally town lean, but his tone sometimes is... I don't know how to explain it other than, he is either town, or a townie scum. You know like there are scummy towns? Well there are also townie scums. My gut and my brain is fighting over on whether Mark is town or a townie scum.
Noraa, I tend to agree on that one, problem is that everything else from her is bad. Specially her sudden townread on Marky after accusing him of shading and scum reading him for it.
Flea, yah fae have this gimmicky careless approach right? Wonder if that is genuine or it is staged.
But you boosted your Toogs read based on a smartass commentIn post 485, Guillotina wrote:VOTE: Flea The MagicianIn post 474, Flea The Magician wrote:Try reading o(≧∇≦o)In post 462, Guillotina wrote:This tells me absolutely nothing.In post 461, DrippingGoofball wrote:It may be genuine, it may be staged, either way it's easy to overlook the garnishes and read the player. So right now on page 19... I find nothing worrisome at all.
You try contributing with quality content instead of fluff and smartass comments. How about that?I just want to be loved damnnit!
The thing is, DGBs post says a lot. that you're unable to put the work in and see says a lot.
HOW DAAAAARE YOU ASK ME, MR MITTENS, TO DO SOME WORK!In post 486, Guillotina wrote:No, follow the conversation. The game is only 19 pages long. Or ISO me.In post 476, JacksonVirgo wrote:Can you back this up with quotes.In post 442, Guillotina wrote:Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?
Debatable.In post 488, Guillotina wrote:That's because im open towning.In post 478, JacksonVirgo wrote:This pings me as somewhat LAMISTIn post 450, Guillotina wrote:Now I'm gonna let go of your "noob" BS and work with you, help me townread you.
Good argument in favour of Meta reallyIn post 497, Guillotina wrote:This is good to know because im the same. After all, people can fake an alignment but behavioral traits come out at a subconscious level, those cant be faked.In post 482, Marky Mark wrote:Like ultimately, when I push people I want them to respond and argue with me so that I can refine my read based on their responses
Hey look the kitty brought us a dead spiderIn post 498, Guillotina wrote:@JacksonVirgoIn post 414, Noraa wrote:well this actually sounds dull upon reread.In post 411, Noraa wrote:"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.
"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"
Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......
Scum claim! xDIn post 499, Guillotina wrote:I dont like that word, i never intent to shade when im town. I scum huntIn post 489, JacksonVirgo wrote:I'm not going to allow you to just shade someone for something you can't even be bothered to prove. Own your wordsIn post 486, Guillotina wrote:No, follow the conversation. The game is only 19 pages long. Or ISO me.In post 476, JacksonVirgo wrote:Can you back this up with quotes.In post 442, Guillotina wrote:Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?
Spoiler: Conclusion!Guillotina is scum without a doubt for me. the sheer number of contradictions, laziness and demanding behaviors lead me to lockscum this slot. There's been many posts since where he's incriminated himself by being lazy, demanding others do things while he does nothing, and requesting meta information while being anti-meta.
My intention with this ISO was to investigate and confirm a scumread, and honestly nothing can save this slot from my PoV at this time.
Spoiler: Bonus post! Fluff posting comparisons!OK so, DGB has said here it has no problem reading me despite my fluffiness, and in 19 pages it's found nothing wrong with my posts.In post 485, Guillotina wrote:VOTE: Flea The MagicianIn post 474, Flea The Magician wrote:Try reading o(≧∇≦o)In post 462, Guillotina wrote:This tells me absolutely nothing.In post 461, DrippingGoofball wrote:It may be genuine, it may be staged, either way it's easy to overlook the garnishes and read the player. So right now on page 19... I find nothing worrisome at all.
You try contributing with quality content instead of fluff and smartass comments. How about that?
You've obviously not read the post.
Now we come to where you've accused me of only posting fluff...
This isn't fluff. Fluff doesn't achieve anything, this says I'm doing something and have been distracted by my kids needing me. Yeah we played Stardew, I take mental health seriously.In post 409, Guillotina wrote:More fluff.In post 405, Flea The Magician wrote:Half way through an ISO, have been distracted with a stardew game with my goblin and gremlin. Will finish later.
This is both fluff and laziness, you're aware of the tools available to see if no elim had posted and you didn't use them, instead opting to ask someone else to do your work for you and looking like you're doing something.In post 310, Guillotina wrote:Has No Elim posted at all?
