Newbie 2045: A Midwinter Night's Dream - End!

[unwnd]

I want to believe that scum were going for the win yesterday, even if the possibility of bussing is there. I'm looking at a few things then I'll probably just vote.

No hard feelings right?

[Lunar Martian]

The only thing that bothers me about lunar. And this is enough for me to consider this is his time stamps shows him actively posting in other games as this one came up.

He's almost completely ignored it

When? That's not the first time someone has said I've been posting in other games when I was offline.

VOTE: peta

I'll do some work to try to convince you soon.

[Mikul]

If scum were going for the win , they already have won. Makes no sense why you and safe would not hammer as scum. It's borderline bm. So if you actually pushed the dp back , you would have already won yesterday so it doesn't matter.

Just waiting for your reads just to have thoughts and I'll probably vote as well. Don't see the point in making this go long

[Lunar Martian]

Part of me wants to sus petapan for just asking questions, but It's early D1 and there's also...not much...else...to do...

Why? Isn't RQS an alternative to RVS? It's plenty valid way to get this game started. In fact...

UNVOTE: petapan

I'm not keeping my vote on someone I think asked the best question so far this game.

I'm here everyone... really busy day between work and kids... will post later. In the meantime...

@BBMolla... is this vote cause I've been gone for almost 24 hours? I kind of feel that you're voting whoever has been away the longest.

I'd be voting Turtle then

What have you done this game?

I was being serious BB... you surely aren't ever voting for a person who hasn't posted once and has been prodded and I believe I was the player that had been missing the longest at the time of your vote besides Turtle, as was Lunar. Nonetheless, it's a fair question. I have town read quiet and petapan and slightly sussed unwnd... besides that, not much. I've been busy.

This might be the only post I'm gonna be able to get out for another 24, so this is where I'm at...

Town - In no particular order...

quiet - I thought his nervous and erratic reaction to getting questioned about his behavior so early leans newbtown.
petapan - I read peta's efforts as both attempting to move the game along and attempting to instill confidence in the newer players to follow their reads to their logical conclusions and act. +Town
BBmolla - I think BB just has a different way to get the game moving... I haven't done any meta dives on anyone, but if I'm to believe the thread, it seems to serve him well. I also think his question to me was fair... I haven't done much... lean town for now.
Illwei - I think they have been thoughtful and genuine in their responses so far, I also agree with the statement behind their recent vote, I just don't think there's anything necessarily scummy about reacting adversely to the way BB is playing.
Lunar - Lunar has been pretty awkward and I tend to see that as newbtown...

Scum -

Mikul - Slight scum read on Mikul as I think his interaction with me about the quiet/unwnd interactions was hedging his bets, as peta pointed out. And that is pretty much all its done during the game.

unwnd - He's obviously pinging me with what I perceive as a condescending attitude... it strikes me as interesting that he only has one scum read and 3 town reads with a fistfull of nulls (as BB pointed out), the BB scum read is disingenuous... In my little experience, BB's method is common around this site, I would imagine that unwnd knows this too, and unwnd's play overall pings me as an attempt at being a powerwolf.

VOTE: unwnd

I am usually able to read the thread throughout the day and may be able to sneak in a response here and there... but definitely will be able to post around this same time tomorrow.

I completely agree with unwnd about the course this gamenhas taken over the last 36-48 hours. Gamesolving on D1 is almost never fruitful.

Unwnd...I hope you figure out whats going on soon. If I could offer some advice, if you can control it, this time around try not to have a lease that ends on Jan. 1. Makes life's curveballs much easier to handle.

As far as where I stand, I am with BB... I thought Lunar was a fine flip. We'll have to see whats up with Turtle but a policy flip would be an okay choice. The three folks I have no interest in flipping are peta, mikul and obviously BB. The rest are up for debate.

@quiet, can we talk about who you'd like to flip as opposed to why illwei is town? That'd help... It gets lost in your wall posts.

With the holiday coming, I'll soon be V/LA as well. I'd like to cut the circular conversations and consolidate so we can get possible cc's out there before deadline looms.

I really don't like Norfolk Boy... but again... the slot is just flipping green isn't it?

VOTE: quiet

I'll compromise on Norfolk if it comes down to it.

I really don't have enough experience to have a gut feeling about the Lunar claim, or the BB claim for that matter, I think I have to take them at face value for now

Not voting Mikul or Peta

Out of the 4 that are left...

Illwei is the VI at this point... I wish it were that easy to catch scum, but I just don't think we're gonna get a slip like that...
I don't really want to vote Unwnd... not that I think you're reasoning is off mikul, just that quiet is a better bet imo.
Norfolk/turtle slot is lhf that flips green most of the time.

Here are some relevant safebet posts. Safebet really doesn't mention or interact with peta much, but when he does, it doesn't seem to be sorting interactions. Mostly safebet answered questions or engaged in banter. Safebet RVS votes peta, but then because peta asks "the best question so far" that turns into a Town read which never really changes or gets further explained. From then on safebet says a couple times he's unwilling to vote peta, even though not much explanation is given. Peta even questions safe's townread of me, but the reasons for townreading peta are equally weak in that post.

[unwnd]

OK.

I'm sorry Peta, I still think it's you. Do I believe there's a possibility I get burned by Lunar? Yeah, but at that point I pretty much accept this. At a very base level, I think Safebet placed not one but two opportunistic votes onto Lunar that seemed like intent to kill them. Again, bussing is something that can exist, but the fact of the matter is that I believe it would be.. a very wide commitment. Lunar has done a lot of questionable things. Made a ton of questionable votes, etc. Their read on safebet has almost pretty much been (Yes, I'd vote them) in some fashion. I very much didn't like when Lunar went into 'oh no im sorry i dont know what im doing im lost etc etc' because it did

not

fit his own process of stating reads up until that point which was somewhat blunt and very certain. Lunar has changed his mind on a lot of things as well, but inevitably my thought on this is that Lunar rolled a PR, knew he could play a bit more scummy, and wanted to be confident in their role.

I just think the game's difficulty speaks in that regard, even now when we are in D4 without a kill. There are other things I could mention such as the way Safebet talks to you but quite frankly I've done enough this-is-how-it-is posting that I just wanna make up my mind at this point.

Again: No hard feelings yeah? It's a game and shit, like..well fucking done to Lunar/Safebet if they operated in such a fashion as partners.

Vote: Petapan

[Mikul]

@peta I'm pretty confident you are probably going to die because by some miracle if uwnd is scum he's about to vote you. (don't see how or why this would happen as he could have ended ) and town uwnd probably votes you as well


Want to make a last minute case

[Lunar Martian]

If scum were going for the win , they already have won. Makes no sense why you and safe would not hammer as scum. It's borderline bm. So if you actually pushed the dp back , you would have already won yesterday so it doesn't matter.

Just waiting for your reads just to have thoughts and I'll probably vote as well. Don't see the point in making this go long

This is directed at unwnd?

[Mikul]

@peta I'm pretty confident you are probably going to die because by some miracle if uwnd is scum he's about to vote you. (don't see how or why this would happen as he could have ended ) and town uwnd probably votes you as well


Want to make a last minute case

[Mikul]

@lunar yes


If it's safebet and uwnd , they would have / could have won yesterday. You were at l-1. All uwnd had to do was unvote and hammer.

Him stalling the game is just bm and I don't see him doing that just to flex.

[Lunar Martian]

@lunar yes


If it's safebet and uwnd , they would have / could have won yesterday. You were at l-1. All uwnd had to do was unvote and hammer.

Him stalling the game is just bm and I don't see him doing that just to flex.

Yeah no one is saying it's unwnd though. It's peta.

[unwnd]

I think when it comes down to why I choose Peta over Lunar is that yeah

Lunar has done a ton of questionable things. I just don't know if I can convince myself if those questionable things amount them making it to D4 as scum. There are individual tells I have on Peta as well that I don't really feel like getting into as well. It's just like

I really don't like the way Lunar has gone about this game. I really don't like how BB claimed and we were put into this position. I really don't like a lot of things. Yet, there is individual merit for me thinking it's peta that I believe is scum behavior, and my read on Lunar more or less turns into 'they're awkward and being a noob'. Mind you, that can still be scum but. Have to go with the deeper thought on this one.

[Mikul]

I'm talking in hypotheticals. I wanted to hear uwnds thoughts and he literally echoed every reason I scum read peta. That in addition to the lack of nk .

It's you or peta and I had peta as hard scum so uwnd (as town) saying everything I'm thinking makes me feel good about my own reads. If uwnd is scum then I'll never understand why they just didn't end yesterday. I don't see it.


At this point I'm just giving peta a chance to defend himself out of respect before I end

[Mikul]

@uwnd entertain one thought for me.

Why would lunar waive ?

I just can't see this. It just makes so much more sense for peta to waive at least to me.

[unwnd]

Waive where? Lunar has been very fitting to their name where the things they do are almost alien lol

[unwnd]

Oh you mean the NK? I'm not thinking too hard about it. If Lunar NK'd like that then they're more calculated than I have anticipated.

[Mikul]

Safe def would. He seems like he knows enough to consider it. I just can't put together to what end it benefits them as scum.

With peta I can come up with like 5 reasons

[unwnd]

Again, not trying to read too hard into it. The lack of kill is also something pretty calculated. I'd be very impressed by Lunar on the basis of coordinating with Safebet, because their interactions to me seemed very very raw, so much that I started to think they weren't partners.

[Mikul]

Yeah we read peta for the same reasons. So behaviorally I'm happy we literally came to the same exact reasons as to why peta is likely scum

The lack of nk was the only thing in my head

Will let peta talk and then I'll likely end unless he comes up with something really good.

[Mikul]

If he hasn't said anything in 30 mins. Ill end regardless.

[petapan]

i actually don't really want to put in effort if you're not coming in with an open mind, which clearly you aren't

safebet was clearly willing the entire way to go after lunar and was constantly suggesting he might be scum where most town weren't willing to look there, he was always at the ready to possibly throw him under the bus, always suggesting it but never actually going there

[petapan]

dude i went afk to watch football i can't be expected to spend every hour in this thread

[Mikul]

VOTE: peta

[petapan]

We now know unwnd is town and i'm town

unless he just has not read this already

Doesn't this post TMI that I'm town?

this post was the dead giveaway, btw - even when mikul was confirmed town to him, lunar was trying to fos mikul and put suspicion on him and only voted safebet after i told him to

[petapan]

embarrassing that town lot to a player who played as awful as lunar martian

[Mikul]

Your right. Tbh. No reason to make you put effort if I had already decided. Either way gg

This game was super fun