mini normal 2226; who won

[Datisi]

yeah, i know. but my argument isn't "umlaut inactive therefore umalut scum". it's "umlaut inactive, the rest of the gamestate/flips points at it being very likely that umlaut would be scum (based on what i know about him), therefore umlaut scum".

[Umlaut]

I haven't seen any case that I'm scum that isn't just that I'm inactive though.

[Umlaut]

(tbf I wouldn't have seen it even if it were there)

[Datisi]

you can (re)read what i've already written if you want, i'm not wasting time trying to convince you that you're scum.

[Umlaut]

you think umlaut is scum who saw town killing town and just didn't care enough to vote?

Actually I really dislike this, why is this even unlikely? Scum stay off town wagons all the time. I mean I know I'm not scum but I don't think this is a good enough reason to think I'm not and it feels like making up a reason to be off the wagon.

[Umlaut]

(except that she's on the wagon anyway so, uh, idk)

[Umlaut]

Umlaut, I was town reading you all D1 and then naked voted you to start D2, do you find that suspicious at all? Also, who are you currently scumreading? I know you had the initial push on Flubber, but you felt better about Prism, not sure where you stand right now.

And I'm back to not liking Lukewarm. I need to go back through and see the momentum of my and Meg's wagons when he switched, I gave him townpoints because I thought mine had more momentum, but if Meg's had more, the switch doesn't do as much for me.

I honestly forgot you townread me D1. I don't really find naked votes suspicious, to be honest, but when you put it that way yeah, I'm wondering where the flip came from.

I already talked a bit about my reads. Looking at the thread it looks like N_M hasn't posted at all yet so no room to have an updated read there.

[tris]

VC 2.3

Umlaut (5):

ChaosOmega 1179, Datisi 1182, Gamma Emerald 1202, Titus 1203, Aristeia 1326

L-1

Chaos (3):

Alchemist21 1176, Lukewarm 1177, Umlaut 1346

not voting:

Vulture, Not_Mafia, MathBlade 1340

with 11 alive it takes 6 to destroy.

not voting:

(expired on 2021-08-19 15:22:00)

note: not voting

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
I still am on board with eliminating Umlaut but I think we should wait for NM to post before putting him back to E-1

[Datisi]

n_m would've been the hero we needed

[Umlaut]

I still am on board with eliminating Umlaut

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d be fine with that but I’d like him to post SOMETHING first
PEdit: mostly for what Datisi has said, you’ve been a non-factor and I think you tend to be uninvolved as scum

[Titus]

Ok I has my plan. Ready for day end.

[Titus]

n_m would've been the hero we needed

I agree.

[MathBlade]

Ok I has my plan. Ready for day end.

Did you get what you needed from me?

Catching up now.

[MathBlade]

I’d be fine with that but I’d like him to post SOMETHING first
PEdit: mostly for what Datisi has said, you’ve been a non-factor and I think you tend to be uninvolved as scum

So much so I am thinking bus here.

Datisi and Gamma practically agree on a good chunk of points and they’re recycles of each other. I am pretty paranoid of someone on that wagon bussing Umlaut I think. I think Umlaur flips scum but the day feels icky. Like we’re being trapped by a super villain icky.

[MathBlade]

yeah, i know. but my argument isn't "umlaut inactive therefore umalut scum". it's "umlaut inactive, the rest of the gamestate/flips points at it being very likely that umlaut would be scum (based on what i know about him), therefore umlaut scum".

Hopefully I see an explanation for the “gamestate/flips points at that” closest I could see is people sussing Umlaut at eod then naked votes today. That makes me think bus or push on town.

[Titus]

So much so I am thinking bus here.

Datisi and Gamma practically agree on a good chunk of points and they’re recycles of each other. I am pretty paranoid of someone on that wagon bussing Umlaut I think. I think Umlaur flips scum but the day feels icky. Like we’re being trapped by a super villain icky.

Nope. Just 10 pounds of crazy in a five pound bag.

Now get into this elevator with me Sophie. We have to

zipline down

vote Umlaut.

[Titus]

That makes me think bus or push on town.

I take door number 3 as the cause.

[Titus]

I wish you got my crumbs, but oh well bro.

Looks like I'll have to secure a piece of art rather than a gem this time. I think I'll have to draw this piece of art from memory.

[MathBlade]

now it's not only "does umlaut look similar to those two scumgames of his i modded", now it's also "do not give umlaut a pass for doing jackshit nothing and think he's town because ~scum!him would be doing more~, scum!him absolutely will do jackshit if he thinks he can get away with it"

Yeah, I kind of anticipated that, but thinking my being inactive (all of 48[?] hours into the game at that) explicitly makes me scum still doesn't fit when you know perfectly well I can be demotivated and useless as any alignment.

For some context, I only thought I could get away with it that time because it was clear from Day 1 that Icon was going to carry the game.

For that matter, I

did

get away with it that time because Icon

did

carry the game, so the real moral is "if Scumlaut is not making any effort to look towny it's because he knows he's already won"

Then I am going to take the time to see if I can get to where you are.

@Datisi >> Did a quick skim here of where you pushed Umlaut for inactivity and Umlaut was town. There seems to be a difference in tone here. This post also makes me nervous Umlaut wants to die.

Pedit: Maybe I did and I am running a long con on scum. Maybe I didn’t. All I will say on the crumbs.

[MathBlade]

Caught up again except for an overdue reread I owe Datisi but I kinda don’t wanna as it’s late.

This just feels like either a bus or something is very wrong here. I can’t explain it but I feel it.

[Titus]

This just feels like either a bus or something is very wrong here. I can’t explain it but I feel it.

[MathBlade]

This just feels like either a bus or something is very wrong here. I can’t explain it but I feel it.

Why are you Gibbs slapping me here for scumhunting?

Worst case scenario my paranoia is wrong and everyone laughs and says “Math sucks” and I am not given a chance to get better. Best case scenario my paranoia is wrong and scum sheep my wrongness and it helps find scum. Middle case scenario my paranoia is wrong and I learn from it while no one seems to be hunting.

Worse case scenario my paranoia is right and you’re shutting me down, Umlaut flips town, and we are in wtf mode as most people aren’t even hunting. Middle case scenario my paranoia is right, Umlaut flips scum and we have a tiny bit of reactions. Best case scenario we can figure out who is scum with Umlaut.

Why are you so determined to not let me ask questions and hunt with what seems to be deadspace? You asked me to be cooperative and loud and now you’re all “shut up” in gif form?

Help me out here this is some mixed messages.

[MathBlade]

I guess this kinda sums up my feelings atm:



The only difference I think this is more about the wagons than Umlaut’s innocence or guilt.