I think 2 scum in lowest and 1 in mid tier is likeliest
Would not be surprised if 2 existed in the mid tier solely because this was the dynamic the thread started at in D2 and despite my individual townreads it's historically unhelpful for the town to let tension go unresolved.
I will be floored if scum is in the top but would consider in elo pending my survival.
I'm pretty sure that's not how Flea cases as town and I'm pretty sure I've seen Flea write a case almost exactly like that one when fae were scum.
This is purely from memory and my memory is shit, so it's something which ideally should be verified when I have more time, but yeah, I do think that Flea has a quite significant chance of being scum here.
Problem is I'm never out of scum range. Go dismantle the case if you think it's bad. I'm looking forward to it.
Also from memory yes you're on oarnpostinf with CT mafia
So what's a reliable way to deduce that you are town? Because I can easily see you as scum posting 1217. It's just poking at
mastina's
readrate after-the-fact when you gave no strong stance against the major wagons D1. This is largely because your focus was much more aligned with scumreading
mastina
other than finding town.
This is a convenient perspective to take as scum and I don't readily see the town motivation.
Fluidity if reads and emotional range from self analysis.
As scum my reads seem more fluid, and they're more flat.
As it stands I gain more from Enchants flip than I do mastinas and both are scum here.
Waiting to for mastina to post to direct my day was telling me how liable she is the slip up, currently I reckon I solve the game through her.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:51 am
by Flea The Magician
Unless you think I'm bussing mastina, or scared of her.
I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.
I have tons of reason to believe
House
is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.
When he says things like
""don't expect me to be useful"
it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.
And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?
Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.
And now
House
is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.
I'm not very sold on
House
being town at all. He's memeposting
a lot
, picking fights unnecessarily and the way he threw some of his votes seemed to me to be at least random.
But, there's slots where hard data clearly shows a pattern, such as the final vote count of Day One. Which is why I'm avoiding of speaking on
House
, but also
Enchant
(who was my final vote Day One) for instance. Maybe they are scum. But I'm unable to tell with high confidence right now.
If I may, I'd like my thoughts to be focused on a bit more. Y'all don't have to agree with them, you can think they're shit, fine. But I would really appreciate any feedback which leads to any decisions rather than this just being shelved. Because the way the game has been going for the last 10 pages or so is pretty counterproductive.
What's your take on Titus and do you find it problematic/interesting that Taly (universal town read) and mastina (universal paranoia) are trying to town-bloc Titus with a hand-wave despite the fact that Titus' posts have been as lazy as mine (the person she's voting for?)
What makes you say this? It feels rather entitled/frustrated that I'm town. I don’t have many posts and they aren't verbose but they definitely have clear intention. For the most part, people know exactly where I stand.
Your posts, on the other hand, make it feel as if you'll vote anything with a pulse.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:02 am
by Titus
In post 1329, Galron wrote:Mastina you have me mech town but scum by play, which states as virgin olive oil scum and is now more canola oil scum bordering on Crisco scum. I'm not an ego player, which I think is a fine term that someone recently introduced, but I'm generally aware of my play and my town/scum index in a game. It really hasn't changed much from the beginning of the game and in fact has risen around 20 points to this point. Yet you still have me in your second-tier poe, even going so far to say that if one of the players flip town, there's a high degree of likelihood that I'll flip red. Town you isn't reading me objectively, and scum you is plugging players into a strat.
Can you rephrase this without the cooking oil references?
I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.
I have tons of reason to believe
House
is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.
When he says things like
""don't expect me to be useful"
it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.
And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?
Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.
And now
House
is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.
House, while very intelligent, is a sensitive player. He moves as much with his ego as he does logic (although they are commonly mixed). He doesn't think about long term ramifications of a fight. He's like an unchained bear. See bad guy. Immediately wreck bad guy.
I'm pretty sure that's not how Flea cases as town and I'm pretty sure I've seen Flea write a case almost exactly like that one when fae were scum.
This is purely from memory and my memory is shit, so it's something which ideally should be verified when I have more time, but yeah, I do think that Flea has a quite significant chance of being scum here.
Problem is I'm never out of scum range. Go dismantle the case if you think it's bad. I'm looking forward to it.
Also from memory yes you're on oarnpostinf with CT mafia
So what's a reliable way to deduce that you are town? Because I can easily see you as scum posting 1217. It's just poking at
mastina's
readrate after-the-fact when you gave no strong stance against the major wagons D1. This is largely because your focus was much more aligned with scumreading
mastina
other than finding town.
This is a convenient perspective to take as scum and I don't readily see the town motivation.
Fluidity if reads and emotional range from self analysis.
As scum my reads seem more fluid, and they're more flat.
As it stands I gain more from Enchants flip than I do mastinas and both are scum here.
Waiting to for mastina to post to direct my day was telling me how liable she is the slip up, currently I reckon I solve the game through her.
Mastina is not scum and I still don't see strong justification for
I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.
I have tons of reason to believe
House
is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.
When he says things like
""don't expect me to be useful"
it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.
And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?
Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.
And now
House
is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.
I'm not very sold on
House
being town at all. He's memeposting
a lot
, picking fights unnecessarily and the way he threw some of his votes seemed to me to be at least random.
But, there's slots where hard data clearly shows a pattern, such as the final vote count of Day One. Which is why I'm avoiding of speaking on
House
, but also
Enchant
(who was my final vote Day One) for instance. Maybe they are scum. But I'm unable to tell with high confidence right now.
If I may, I'd like my thoughts to be focused on a bit more. Y'all don't have to agree with them, you can think they're shit, fine. But I would really appreciate any feedback which leads to any decisions rather than this just being shelved. Because the way the game has been going for the last 10 pages or so is pretty counterproductive.
What's your take on Titus and do you find it problematic/interesting that Taly (universal town read) and mastina (universal paranoia) are trying to town-bloc Titus with a hand-wave despite the fact that Titus' posts have been as lazy as mine (the person she's voting for?)
Very curious to see where you're headed with this line of questioning.
I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.
I have tons of reason to believe
House
is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.
When he says things like
""don't expect me to be useful"
it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.
And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?
Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.
And now
House
is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.
House, while very intelligent, is a sensitive player. He moves as much with his ego as he does logic (although they are commonly mixed). He doesn't think about long term ramifications of a fight. He's like an unchained bear. See bad guy. Immediately wreck bad guy.
How do I feed scum to the unchained bear?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:33 am
by Taly
In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote:Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null
A lot of the reads were shaped in large part by House. Which had me strongly town-reading him. Until this post:
: do you treat kills performed on a Hider's target as being copied onto the Hider, rather than having the Hider's death trigger off the death of the hidee?
(The wiki mentions that some mods do this, which could be informative if that's the case because a protected Hider target would not protect the Hider)
I find this question very, very curious.
If it were the case, I agree it would be informative - but to who?
Suppose that it were the case that person X was protected and Cheeky visited person X. Then if scum attempted to kill person X, the kill would be "copied" onto Cheeky, explaining how they died.
This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X
But it would tell town, in-game-thread, absolutely nothing.
Please explain how your question was meant to be informative or helpful to town. Because it smells like role/info-fishing as scum.
Why am I- the person who has most actively voted you -town?
And while I could see an intention of rolefishing i always get the impression scum will just ask spec questions in a PT or PM. At least that's what I do to not get attention brought to how I think about mechanics.
In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote:
This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X
It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.
Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.
Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.
You're wrong on both counts.
Mafia don't necessarily have all information.
Those are not the only two possible outcomes.
Okay.
Tell me others?
If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.
There are more beyond that.
Where are you going with this conversation
zefiend
?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:39 am
by Titus
In post 1325, Mizzytastic wrote:I've been busy here, I hope to get back to finding more flavour soon
In post 1329, Galron wrote:Mastina you have me mech town but scum by play, which states as virgin olive oil scum and is now more canola oil scum bordering on Crisco scum. I'm not an ego player, which I think is a fine term that someone recently introduced, but I'm generally aware of my play and my town/scum index in a game. It really hasn't changed much from the beginning of the game and in fact has risen around 20 points to this point. Yet you still have me in your second-tier poe, even going so far to say that if one of the players flip town, there's a high degree of likelihood that I'll flip red. Town you isn't reading me objectively, and scum you is plugging players into a strat.
Can you rephrase this without the cooking oil references?
mastina's read of me has progressively gone downhill while my play has headed directionaly upward. If she's town, she should see this or tell me why I'm wrong. Her being scum makes more sense, given she had both cheeky and meg as groupscum in her lowest tier Day 1 and now on Day 2 has me in a grouping of four where she says she believes if one of the four flips green, the other three flip red. I know she's ill and her posting is limited, but before I go to deep into a rabbit hole on this I'd like her to tell me whether that's a fair assessment of where she's at.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:14 am
by Galron
In post 1351, Taly wrote:{Titus/mastina/Greeting/Taly}
{Scorpious/Galron/House/Enchant}
{Flea/zefiend/Dwlee}
I think 2 scum in lowest and 1 in mid tier is likeliest
Would not be surprised if 2 existed in the mid tier solely because this was the dynamic the thread started at in D2 and despite my individual townreads it's historically unhelpful for the town to let tension go unresolved.
I will be floored if scum is in the top but would consider in elo pending my survival.
Oh it is a bad case and I could, I just see no reason to, but it's not the case being bad which makes it scum; it's the case being what it is combined with your perspective where you're focused on "dismantling" which makes me pretty sure it's you as scum.
Oh it is a bad case and I could, I just see no reason to, but it's not the case being bad which makes it scum; it's the case being what it is combined with your perspective where you're focused on "dismantling" which makes me pretty sure it's you as scum.
Because you're just trying to jedi hand wave it and me away.
Sadly being a set of droids jedi hand waves don't work on me.
[MSE-T5T-1 to 5 - I may be in a starwars droid game... playing mouse droids...]
Oh it is a bad case and I could, I just see no reason to, but it's not the case being bad which makes it scum; it's the case being what it is combined with your perspective where you're focused on "dismantling" which makes me pretty sure it's you as scum.
Because you're just trying to jedi hand wave it and me away.
Sadly being a set of droids jedi hand waves don't work on me.
[MSE-T5T-1 to 5 - I may be in a starwars droid game... playing mouse droids...]
Oh it is a bad case and I could, I just see no reason to, but it's not the case being bad which makes it scum; it's the case being what it is combined with your perspective where you're focused on "dismantling" which makes me pretty sure it's you as scum.
Because you're just trying to jedi hand wave it and me away.
Sadly being a set of droids jedi hand waves don't work on me.
[MSE-T5T-1 to 5 - I may be in a starwars droid game... playing mouse droids...]
