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In post 1345, Andante wrote:Also, how Mala picked Luke there at the end is extremely sus to me, like, no.. that pair might be S/S... then the question is, do I want that pair yeeted more than fire/ceph....

why

In post 1347, Andante wrote:luke basically scum claimed with the "I effort as scum too!!" there's 0 way town!Luke says that

Hello.

It is a personal pet peeve of mine to receive town reads for that reason, and have made nearly identical posts in prior games.

Carry on.

Andante, I find your points about Mala very unconvincing.

1347 feels like you are saying that since Mala did not listen to you, she must be scum. But I am not sure why I should think that town!Mala would be more likely to listen to you, then the multiple people encouraging her to accept me [Bell (1297), Dunn (1130), Prism (1192), Ydra (1289)] - Or just trust her own read on me over what anyone was saying.

Your points also seem divorced from the fact that Mala had already attempted to accept me as a dance partner, and the only reason we were not already dancing was a formatting error.

In post 1349, Enchant wrote:There's rumor that Fire always leaves partners, so i don't think anyone ever would want to pair with Fire.

Have you played a dance game with FireB before? Or is this coming from Myko? Or..?

In post 1353, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 1349, Enchant wrote:There's rumor that Fire always leaves partners, so i don't think anyone ever would want to pair with Fire.

Have you played a dance game with FireB before? Or is this coming from Myko? Or..?

Squid Game, where we killed Fire because Fire didn't left partner and for some other reasons.

It was S/S pair so not surprise Fire didn't left, but seems like yes, Fire loves to leave.

Andante is mafia who didn't want to nk self

i think bell and prism would make a really nice dancing pair

Lmao. She called it.

I won't be around until later today or tomorrow sorry

Hmmm. Is it too suicidal of a play for scum!Dunn to sign off on this kill?

At work sorry. Can’t comment wasn’t much in there
She told me to think about who night killed her if she got night killed.

Also yay town pair. I didn’t fuck up.
Also boo. Dead yddra. Now I have an *additional* opportunity to fuck up.

ngl

i rather bell either pair with dati or prism

In post 1363, Bell wrote:At work sorry. Can’t comment wasn’t much in there
She told me to think about who night killed her if she got night killed.

I just scrolled back a ways through her iso, and the main people I see her voicing concerns over recently are me and Noraa (with a slight splash of dunn, but noticeably less then either of us).

Feels like she was just the most town read player in the PL. I doubt a you+ydra pair had even a small chance of going through.

so if bell is town

does this mean that maf think that bell is unlikely to ask to pair with (or get accepted by) people maf are partnered with?

or is that thinking too hard

as for andante:

There's one main reason why I chose Luke. I initially had picked Luke over Dunn & Norraa, but because I didn't bold it I messed up, which was my bad.

Second: I never had an offer to dance from either Norraa or Fire.

Third: The one who was supposed to choose beteween Norraa & Dunn was Datisi.

Fourth: An Norraa flip would have been informational to sorting out Dunn IMO. As scummy as that sounds

In post 1362, Lukewarm wrote:Hmmm. Is it too suicidal of a play for scum!Dunn to sign off on this kill?

WIFOM

This should be interesting, having Bell with initiative. I don't mind this at all.

Now that we have had the flip, my feeling about yesterday is that scum had their problems sorted before the end of the day. I don't think Luke looked bad towards the end of the day, I don't think Mala went out her way to be the casting vote. I don't think the unbolded acceptance was a gambit. Mala lurked a fair bit, right now I don't feel like that's particularly scummy. Of that pair she's the one I do worry most about.

As mentioned yesterday, I think the game flowed about as expected, I fear that means scum was entirely too comfortable.

The first thing I thought yesterday when the pairs started forming was that.. I think it was actually Noraa? called that it would be scummy to pair early as scum is really survival minded. I've played something similar IRL where pairs somehow formed in 10 seconds to have 3 townies realize quite late that they had missed the boat and one of them wasn't going to make it. Anyway, really quickly after that statement about worrying about early pairings, Prism and Andante pair up. I think that boldness of Prism was town and I had a decent gut feeling about Andante. I have been quite happy in my Bell tunnel and seeing then the "bandwagon" where Bell quickly paired up with Ydrasse after I wasn't so fond of. Enchant being quite accommodating about me was quite weird at the time too. I don't think there was ever a question of Cephrir making it and tbh I haven't really read those pages too closely, but I don't think you can call that early anymore.

Now with the nightkill we get a lot of extra info. If Bell is scum, he's probably the "minor partner" in a scumteam that you can happily take a risk with. The upside is pretty good, Bell becomes an agent that can "choose" an elimination and with so many pairs still out there there's a decent chance someone is going to accept it. I think the ability to be proactive could paint Bell in a pretty good light after today too. It's a small risk high reward play.

If Bell is town this Ydrasse kill is genuinely the best kill scum could make and this is potentially a setup to have Bell be left out in the cold. I have two slight issues with this, but they are personal. I don't think Ydrasse stood out all that much in terms of reads or how much the town listened to them. I think much of the reason they weren't in the spotlight at all was because they very quickly took themselves out of the equation by pairing up, and they were a lady anyway so not on the chopping block. Before the night Ydrasse was a solid Null to me. Further I don't think Bell is actually suspected that much by people beyond me, so I'm not seeing the goal of a mislynch there. I think if this is the case the situation is even worse than I already think as the kill was not in my townreads (and they then might not be so town after all).

In post 1366, Lukewarm wrote:Feels like she was just the most town read player in the PL. I doubt a you+ydra pair had even a small chance of going through.

Alright then.

So this is the first person for who it makes sense that this kill happened. Scumpoints for Luke.

Fwiw, I think that Bell is always town here, and should probably be accepted by anyone he offers to.

Looking at the PL, I don't think their is a single player I would choose to keep over bell.

In post 1373, Lukewarm wrote:Looking at the PL, I don't think their is a single player I would choose to keep over bell.

Then go invite Bell for dance.