Mini 1316 - Last Will Mafia IV (Over)


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Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:13 am

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DCLXVI (4) - kortul, Voidedmafia
Magua (4) - Debonair Danny DiPietro, fishythefish
kortul (3) - Magua, DCLXVI

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Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:36 am

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That doesn't answer if it's X-shot, though, but okay.

I just dislike this post. I didn't exactly like it the first time he made a similar post, and I don't like it now. Especially because it ignores that I just went about convincing myself that he's scum w/o using PoE.

But what if I'm not fake? As much as I'd understand the willingness to vote me if I'm dead tonight, I'm still telling the truth that I'm the 3rd mason. Would you still auto-lynch me even then?

What if they shoot Danny tonight instead of me? He's arguably as much of a threat to scum as I am, so I wouldn't be surprised if he dies instead.

I just did.

There's at least time in the deadline to post after work ends, so I'll hammer Mag if DCL isn't lynched by then.
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Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:57 am

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Voidedmafia wrote:Post 1368 That doesn't answer if it's X-shot, though, but okay.


Had already claimed that, sorry.
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Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:36 am

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Magua, during previous days i updated my will during the day closer to deadline (if my top town reads changed), or during twilight after the flips. Tomorrow i'll be auditing another company and have a meeting after work, so i doubt i will have access to internet to adjust my will before the night comes.
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Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:48 am

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Can you give me the time period when you updated your will after the flip but before the Night? Don't want a timestamp, just a general 15 minute window.
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Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:01 pm

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I checked sent wills and realized that i was wrong, i actually updated my will at night before. I went to bed before the day 1 lynch happened, and in the morning i saw that LS was lynched and the results of the flip, read the following discussion and sent an updated will to Llama. It felt like posting, so in my memory it remained as twilight, not night 1. During days 2 and 3 i updated my wills close to deadline, and both times the flips didn't affect my strongest townread. I am off to bed now, will check the forum once in the morning, and as i said will be unavailable until late evening.
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Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:29 pm

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The thing that is bothering me about magua is the fact that he defending me. I just don't know if he is scum buddying with me town defending a town read. Ugh.
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Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:19 pm

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I am off to work, and unless i will find a free wifi for a kindle, won't be able to post. I still believe DCL is scum and the correct lynch for today. And Magua, if you are town, i do hope DCL isn't your
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Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:29 pm

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Jeez, I was hoping you people would talk more during work.

Final reads still stand based on a Mag-town flip (if it's Mag-scum I think I'd still go for DCL and Korts). If the scum kill anyone other than me or DDD I'm just going to be absolutely stupefied.

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Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:28 am

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Sad.

Sadder that you're willing to go korts if I flip scum, but not if I flip town, if I'm reading you right.

But etc.
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Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:23 am

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Townreads are (strong=>weak) Voided => Fishy => DCL

Scumreads are (strong=>weak) kortul => DDD => Rhino.

Yes, I think both of the other Mafia were bussing Macrophage at the end of D2.
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Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:03 am

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Magua (7) - Debonair Danny DiPietro, fishythefish, Voidedmafia
kortul (3) - Magua, DCLXVI
DCLXVI (1) - kortul

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Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:06 am

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Magua - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day Four


His votes pass to Voidedmafia who now has five votes.

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Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:09 pm

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Voidedmafia - Mason - Killed Night Four


His votes pass to Debonair Danny DiPietro, who now has seven votes.
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Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:11 pm

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A win condition has been achieved.


Debonair Danny DiPetro (Mafia Goon) and kortul (Mafia Goon) now control a majority of the votes.

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Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:13 pm

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This was basically a slightly modified masons and mafia setup, where I gave the scum a one shot VT cop to help them since I figured having masons hidden was a disadvantage to the town given how strong they would be if they stayed hidden for any significant period of time.

The fakeclaim was funny because it was a variation of roles that I had been debating using at some time or another, but in the end had never really decided to put in the game.

Do not really have the time at the moment to put up other thoughts but will later.
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Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:32 pm

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ah fuck...figured that might happen.

I was right about kortul though, and very wrong about DDD.
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Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:53 pm

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Well done DDD and Kortul! Sorry about getting lynched.

And I thought your claim was really good DDD. I'm sorry that I didn't give my vote to you so it could be better. I was worried that it would seem fabricated if I had given my vote to you, but I think you were right that it would have been better if I had.

Thank you LlamaFluff for modding. I enjoyed the Last Will aspect of the game. :]

I'll leave it up to DDD/kortul whether or not to release the QT. I'm fine with it as long as they are.
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Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:58 pm

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Sucks that I was so wrong about Macrophage, because I was so right on basically everything else.
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Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:58 pm

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(Really did think Fishy was scum when I replaced in, so I was wrong about that too, but I corrected that mistake before the end. Half point.)
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Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:01 pm

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It WAS a pretty convincing fakeclaim, I think, even if it was a role that Llama eventually didn't use.

I suppose I was partly right about Korts (Partly because I was going off of Mag-scum connection rather than figuring it out myself), but I probably wouldn't have lynched DDD.

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Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:16 pm

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Shazam.

Mafia QT is here

Macrophage wrote:Well done DDD and Kortul! Sorry about getting lynched.

And I thought your claim was really good DDD. I'm sorry that I didn't give my vote to you so it could be better. I was worried that it would seem fabricated if I had given my vote to you, but I think you were right that it would have been better if I had.


Why are you sorry about getting lynched? The combination of my role claim and me working so hard to get you lynched is what gave me the town cred to lead the town completely wrong in the next two days and then be given all the votes we needed to win. Really if there was an issue it was exactly what Magua outlined; if you're going to bus, bus; but the way you fell off me onto DCL when kortul voted for DCL was super suspicious.

And my claim was awesome because it was exactly the sort of role everyone thinks should be in this type of game but it's different enough that like Fishy said (incorrectly) that it doesn't seem like something scum would fabricate. I hadn't even thought about my claim on D1/N1 but as I was getting run up D2 I know I needed to put together something and the end result was perfect.
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Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:51 pm

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That's a great claim from DDD. Well done all three scum, a really neatly played game.
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Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:09 am

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I am glad we managed to do it. Macro and DDD, thanks for the game. Everyone else - i enjoyed playing with you as well. It was an interesting game, mechanics, and setup. I have several thoughts about the play and setup.

First - about setup. Last Will mechanics is really interesting, but if the town makes a mistake of gathering enough votes in one slot, it just doubles the amount of right choices the town has to make to win the game. Basicly, once Magua gave his 2 votes to Voided, instead of 2 LyLo city had 2 LyLo + 2 GwTLo (Guess who is Town or lose). For town to win Voided has to correctly guess at night at least 1 town player (GwTLo #1) to pass votes to, that town player becomes conf town, but has to decided LyLo #1 by himself. If he does the right choice as well, during the night he has to correctly guess yet another town player (GwTLo #2), and during the day that player has to decide LyLo #2 alone as well.

So chances for scum to win in such scenario (if votes are not spread, but concentrated) are higher than in ordinary game, and the more scum survive until the end game, the more tough it is for a town to win. Especially since most likely those scum who survive until the end look like town (otherwise why did the made it there?). Is there a way to fix that? Either town has to spread votes, but that just means the game is played like a game without mechanics, or all the players have to be real good, to make correct decisions in the end. If masons survived until the end maybe game would be more townsided, but i am not sure about that. I still feel that masons weren't the force i expected them to be.

About the game itself - it was my first game as a scum in the forum game. That's interesting experience, but i enjoy playing town more - it gives more work for brains :) All my cases were real, and i played exactly the same as i would as town. One exception was day 1 - i really have no idea whether i would vote LS or Macro if i were town. Not DDD for sure, but i was sincere about LS, and i couldn't "just forget" that i am scum to decide whom would i vote as a town. Macro actually did a good job of almost climbing out of the hole where Malee and theo left him. The only moment that bothered me is already mentioned by DDD - i switched to DCL for exactly the reason i said - to get his reads and thoughts, and immediate emotional jump was something i didn't expect at all :) Claim of DDD was unexpected, i am glad i was away since i would join interrogation just out of curiosity :)

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Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:10 am

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well played

good setup, worked nicely with the vote mechanic.

I'm good with releasing the mason qt
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